EU - in or out. Looking for useful facts and figures

[stinkey]

Just go with gut reaction / instincts but don't waste your vote

[JayJay]

Ok, I'll take the hint!  

I have found it really interesting though especially reading stuff that is proudly presented on the EU website.    Also, looking back at Cameron and Osborne welcoming the addition of Turkey to the EU. Oops is that still out there!  

Anyway, thanks for adding your own info and thoughts. It has all been very helpful. I'll shut up now until the 24th June when I am sure there will be a lot of further 'discussion'.

Cheers, JJ  

[JayJay]

Not info as such but a lot of people are worried about fraud in the up coming referendum especially as some people not officially eligible to vote have been sent cards and are listed on the polling list they have at the polling station. This has supposedly been sorted out but it does make you wonder how many more 'mistakes' there are.

When you think about it, we have to show an ID for most things but for voting we don't even have to take the polling card, just say where we live. It's been known for voters to turn up to vote and find that their vote has already been used. If we had to show ID then this would be much less likely to happen.

Currently there is a petition on the Gvt website asking the Gvt to ensure IDs are needed. I thought some of you might be interested. Hopefully they will ensure it happens not just for this referendum but also for all future elections.
JJ 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/130497

[twisted]

here is the best explanation i have seen so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w

i know how im voting and i will be using a sharpie marker 

[JayJay]

That was brilliant. I hadn't come across that but it says it all.

i know how im voting and i will be using a sharpie marker 

If you mean a felt tip then they are not allowed because they can bleed on to other ballot papers in the box. Not only might your vote be disallowed but it could make others spoiled as well. A black biro would be best.

[morrag]

Now here's an interesting "pause for thought" that was aired today. As this referendum will principally affect those younger than....me! how about excluding all those who voted in the last referendum,as they will be of a 'certain age', if you get my drift! and as such they are less likely to be around to blame , should it all go "pear shaped" later!! ................

[Baychimp]

Or praise if it goes right.

[BikerGran]

There never was a previous referendum about joining the EU - the only referendum was many years ago and it was about joining the EEC which was simply a trade organisation.   We never got asked if we wanted to be part of the thing it became, the EU.

[morrag]

Erm, I beg to differ, we were not consulted on joining origionally, but we had the opportunity to leave at the last Referendum on this issue in 1975, which of course I was referring to....

[stinkey]

here is the best explanation i have seen so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w

i know how im voting and i will be using a sharpie marker 

Just watched this..amusing and interesting ?

[BikerGran]

Erm, I beg to differ, we were not consulted on joining origionally, but we had the opportunity to leave at the last Referendum on this issue in 1975, which of course I was referring to....

At that time it was still the European Economic Community or EEC NOT the EU.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/6/newsid_2499000/2499297.stm

[morrag]

Now that is just semantics, as I am sure you realise, its "What's in a name", go back a little further and it was called the European Coal and Steel Community! it still developed into the behemoth we see today, its just development.....

[BikerGran]

Personally I think there is a great difference between a trade organisation and a single state which is what their aim is now.  But that's just my opinion and it will influence how I vote.

[morrag]

Whilst I would agree that the federal nature of the EU's development is not strictly to my taste, the subject was ,I thought, on previous referenda, and on that score, well we indeed did have one in 1975! Here's a thought, and from someone, like many, still undecided, if we vote "out" we are....out, full stop. If we vote "in" however, we can do the democratic bit, at a later date, and vote via our own government, which ever colour that might be, on whether to remain in, or not, should the future shape of 'Europe' not appeal to us at that time in the future, so no finality..... , worth considering?..Morrag

[spanners]

WE ARE THE ,,,little,,  PEOPLE, I,LL DO MY BEST TO VOTE  BUT IT WILL NOT MAKE ANY  DIFFERANCE TO ME  I WILL STILL BE    ,,,,,SCREWED,,  good job i,m  ending it all 

NO POINT IN CARRYING ON