BikerGran
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« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2016, 07:37:50 PM » |
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« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2016, 08:12:28 PM » |
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I don't think any of of us trust the government that much any more (any government, of any party!).
Just the type of thread I've been looking to reply to......... So, just a random comment thrown out there for your opinions. In the real true world after June 23rd and the leave campaigners have the result that they want, do you honestly think that the government will let us leave? You will never know the true result. Me sceptical, never!! You couldn't possibly be suggesting that our totally trustworthy government, comprising of honest, upright and noble citizens might actually lie to us. Such a thing would be unheard of. The fact that WMD's were never found after the Iraq war doesn't mean they lied. Or that all the money claimed in bogus misunderstood expenses by MP's could be construed as dishonest. This is Britain and things like that couldn't possibly happen. . . . . Or could they ? Oh, there's far more than just those couple of things |
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« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2016, 10:44:37 PM » |
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I would like more detail about leaving. I want facts without the hyperbole. I want to know what this Gvt has planned for us when there is a Leave vote. What are they putting in place to take us though the period of change. The Gvt could actually turn around and say in their better judgement we should stay but if they did I think there would be an uprising. Why ask us and then ignore us. I definitely want to leave now because I just can't face being tied to people who make up ridiculous laws, who swallow up money with minimal evidence of where it is going and who cannot be fired by us. We might moan about our crooked lot but we can change them for another crooked lot if we are not happy with them plus we also have faces and names for them. In the EU, most of the law makers are faceless and nameless. The Leave party/group have a video on Youtube. It is 70 mins long but interesting. Well I enjoyed it.  It is well put together and it explained things, especially trade, quite clearly. The Leave video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0To be fair, the remain video is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSf7XSr2CIPlus don't forget TTIP. Please read about it if you don't all ready know. Very worrying. JJ |
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« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2016, 07:47:14 PM » |
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I read about TTIP..very interesting..all I know is whatever I say or do won't make much difference to the Grand scheme of things ? But I listened to the Jeremy Vine show on radio 2 today..and he had one person from each EU country on his show today (28 people ) all living and working in the UK..all agreeing that we should STAY IN...it was great to hear how everybody got on with each other despite political differences ?..made me reconfirm my dream of how it should be on this planet ..
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« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2016, 08:55:19 PM » |
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Whatever I say whatever I do won't won't make a difference. That's just what they want you to think, going out to vote does make a difference,getting involved does make a difference. They want you to be apathetic and sit on your rear end at home. We need to upset the Grand Plan.As for the the 28 people from the E.U that want us to stay in they have a vested interest in us doing that. Most of the other countries have raging unemployment! Spain's youth unemployment alone is running at 45.50% that's why so many work in Britain. I have nothing against these people but when it took 2 1/2 years for one son to get a run of the mill job and 3 years for the other maybe if we didn't free movement then they might stand more chance of advancement.
Just to put it into context the third largest French city as of 2012 was LONDON. 500,000 plus.
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« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2016, 09:27:35 PM » |
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What annoys me is You have to apply to vote,
If you don't apply, Then yours goes in as a no vote.
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« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2016, 09:43:04 PM » |
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You only have register to vote if you are not on the normal Electoral roll. If you are registered to vote in Local or National elections you will be sent a Polling card. This is a popular misconception that you have to apply. I think it is a ruse to get people who are not on the Rolls and who generally don't vote or can't be bother to go out and vote.
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« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2016, 09:53:38 PM » |
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Oh just reread your post and realised the 28 are all here! I thought they had brought in a rep from each country so they could say how the EU worked there. On a net basis (paid in minus paid out) we are the second largest contributer after Germany to the EU. Of course other countries don't want us to leave. We are subsidising many of their 28 countries. Poland has had record payments to increase their growth and employment. Well they been having that for a while but it obviously isn't working that well or there wouldn't be so many Polish people seeking work elsewhere. If you wish to vote remain that is your choice but we cannot take the view that our vote won't make any difference. This is not like a local or general election, we definitely must make our vote count as we will have to live with the decision for a long time. Mind you the way the EU is going with spiralling spending and accounts that have not been checked and signed off for at least a decade it wouldn't surprise me if it imploded. Please think again about voting to remain in the EU, Stinkey but of course I respect your right to vote how you want to. I have to say I have read more about the EU lately than I did the EEC when it was part of my studies at school for two years. I have looked at past figures and current figures and how the EU has grown in that time. It is frightening how something can become so big and make so many decisions about so much money and so much legislation without any accountability. I am a Royalist to a degree and proud of the UK (in particular England where I was born) and what it has achieved. I want to carry on being proud of it but I think that time has come and gone in its current situation. JJ P.S. I was replying to Stinkey I didn't realise Baychimp and Hunter had posted. Sorry if I repeat what they have said. |
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BikerGran
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« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2016, 10:20:09 PM » |
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I listened to the Jeremy Vine show on radio 2 today..and he had one person from each EU country on his show today (28 people ) all living and working in the UK..all agreeing that we should STAY IN...
Of cvourse they thought we should stay in - because if we leave we could (if we wished to) chuck them out, and they'd rather stay here! Most of us who want to leave have nothing against the people who want to come here - it's just a general feeling that we are FULL UP! And we want to have control of our own country. My feeling is, lets get out of the EU monster first, THEN do something about the monster that is our current government! |
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« Reply #69 on: May 18, 2016, 10:39:11 PM » |
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I read about TTIP..very interesting..all I know is whatever I say or do won't make much difference to the Grand scheme of things ? But I listened to the Jeremy Vine show on radio 2 today..and he had one person from each EU country on his show today (28 people ) all living and working in the UK..all agreeing that we should STAY IN...it was great to hear how everybody got on with each other despite political differences ?..made me reconfirm my dream of how it should be on this planet ..
It's a radio programme, and that particular one has no idea what it is talking about. Were you listening to the part about driverless cars? Absolutely no one had the slightest idea what it was all about, and that included the expert in road safety. They broardcast as much as they want you to know, either that or it is so badly reserched that they don't find any of the real information on the subject. Had a long chat with Kev about it after, he does know what it's all about.. |
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« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2016, 10:59:06 PM » |
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The impartiality of the BBC is a thing of the past.It is now a mouth piece for which ever Government is in power. It reports rumor.conjecture and very little truth. It was bolstered up with the Spin Doctors of the left and right who slant most of these Jeremy Vine type programmes to suit there own political agendas.
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stinkey
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« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2016, 07:34:02 AM » |
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He,he nothing like politics to stir up the blood huh gang ?
I listened to the JV show while I was in my workshop rubbing down filler on my trike chassis,I tend to retreat into my shed to ponder things in my life ? I had just received a letter from my heart specialist informing me my condition had worsened and he wants to see me soon ?
As for JV he makes me laugh because he's a bit of a twat who isn't streetwise at all and I don't take serious..just because I found the idea of everybody getting on as nice we all know it's not going to happen in our life times ? I don't believe at any point of my post it indicates which way I'm voting ? But I am definitely sending in my postal vote...
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« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2016, 10:24:41 AM » |
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That's a bugger about your heart Stinkey - can they fix it or treat it? Spose you won't know that till you see the man, keeping 'em crossed for you!
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« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2016, 04:51:47 PM » |
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I have been pondering all of this and reading everyones input with interest.
As I consider myself non political I have found the subject really heavy going and the arguments (you may want to insert rhetoric instead) for and against both compelling and interesting in and out of the forum, but all seem to counter each other or simply say the opposite.
I and Mrs Dslam have decided that we are out unless we can be persuaded otherwise.
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« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2016, 06:19:14 PM » |
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In theory this shouldn't be about politics, the problem is the pm and chancellor and their whipped in cronies seem set on quoting guesswork and supposition as fact. What does that make them? Blatant liars of course.
I dont like liars, they waste what precious time i have left on this planet, not worth listening to...
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