More bad news for modified vehicles

[Manky Monkey]

A post from Kev Rooney, (Kapri), on FaceBook this morning. Kev's the man who knows, so if he's upset about it, it's serious.

Latest cr*p from the Department for Transport.
Section 4 is what matters -they want any car going through BIVA to meet MODERN MOT specs, meaning a minimum of cats , fuel injection and ECU to pass .It's going to add £3-7000 to the cost of complying with the regs !!
Got a car caught for being outside the 8 points system?
At the lower end of the market you might as well cube it

I'm liaising with NSRA at the moment and will be producing a bullet point list to aid reply to the Consultation.

We also need to be hitting the Minister for transport  and our MPs HARD -the more of a sh*t storm created, the more likley we are to get a proper consultation. These changes are NOT required by EU but are being driven by our own Government !!

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/road-vehicles-improving-air-quality-and-safety

[the coppersmith]

Taken from a kit car site:

[stinkey]

Unfortunately we will all just sit on our arse and do nothing

[Manky Monkey]

Yes, so 4.11 is saying what kev has commented on
-that vehicles going through BIVA will have to comply with the emmisions regulations in force at the time of testing, not those in force when the engine was manufactured.
On the one hand, I can see that sounds logical & reasonable -if major manufacturers have to comply, then everyone should. All newly registered vehicles should be treated the same -but on the other hand, the 1979 Rover engine that was fitted in my Pop when it was registered wouldn't have a hope in hell of meeting those standards.
Should there be a get out clause for low volume production of older engined cars, given that they're a tiny minority of the vehicles on the road? Or should all vehicles be up to spec or it makes a mockery of efforts to improve air quality?
It's a difficult case to argue, but the outcome could have a huge impact on our lifestyle.

[the coppersmith]

There are already Kit Car providers selling the appropriate Cat to satisfy IVA demands, so it maybe just a case of sorting out the emissions. Just like Volkswagen did   

[the coppersmith]

I can see a long queue at the MOT station forming in May 

[Tony oily bike]

Just in case this of any use.....................

4.10 states” Kit cars and reconstructed classic cars undergoing IVA....”
4.11 states “We are proposing that for kit cars, compliance with.....”  Does include “reconstructed classic cars”


The uk gov document Vehicle Registration (https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration) identifies the following by title.
Rebuilt vehicles
Kit-built vehicles
Kit-converted vehicles
Radically altered vehicles
Old vehicles
Reconstructed classic vehicles

As Government usually tries to keep it titles/definition/names consistant, an assumption could be that as the definitions used in 4.11 above does not include
Rebuilt vehicles
Kit-built vehicles
Kit-converted vehicles
Radically altered vehicles
Old vehicles
Reconstructed classic vehicles

Then maybe the requirement may not be applicable??

Hope it helps, apologies if not  

[Manky Monkey]

Yeah, really not sure how my own build will fare. Q plated, registered in 2013, fitted with a mid 90s Rover Discovery engine, (the original 1979 SD1 engine died, as you know Steve). The engine change is on the logbook now.
I'll probably be looking for an MOT station that's sympathetic to older vehicles -not a dodgy one, but if I took it to a mainstream high street test station they'd probably test it to current regs.
I'm sure builders will gradually adapt to whatever happens, after the initial panic, & eventually big gas guzzling V8s will give way to more eco friendly modern alternatives -with far better performance -which was the whole point of bunging a bigger motor in your hotrod in the first place. Mr Kapri himself is already running a few of his cars on LPG.
Adapt, evolve, survive

[minimutly]

Andy, you're looking at this from the point of kit or car builders, but the majority of cars this will impact will be the cars that fail the "largely original" or whatever its called test, and will be forced into Iva (will they be forced into this or can a car of this age exist without  vhi status?)
They would automatically fail on emissions, and a cat wouldn't save them, not without efi anyway. I guess a whole load of minis, escorts, landrovers etc will be forced off the road.
Question for the clever - does this apply to trikes?
Sorry Andy, had to edit, called you Kev for some reason...

[Manky Monkey]

I've been called worse

[reliantman]

Hi All.

So if I were building a 2.3 V6 Colgne trike, would it have to pass modern emmissions? I don't want to run around like a headless chicken, but if it is going to be a load of hassle I am wondering if it is going to be worth it.

[stinkey]

You can try asking Kev (KAPRI ) ? But he's got a lot going on his plate at the moment..there is so much stuff happening with the dvla etc..it's totally confusing for us mortals..and we know the dvla do not have a clue themselves ..and I expect come may it's going to get worse until the dust settles if you haven't started on the v6 trike it may well be prudent to just wait a while ?

[reliantman]

Thanks Stinkey. I have had all the bits for a while, but have only recently got back the mojo to build again.

[kapri]

Andy  yours , and any other already registered BIVA vehicle won't be affected as emission specs are listed on your V5C . Even so , in my experience most MOT testers have still needed to be told what sort of MOT it needs as they look old but have modern date of reg

However it will kill stone dead most other peopels abilityto pass mostly due to the intracies of using a donor ECU and with aftermarkets ecus being underpowered and geard to performance NOT emmisions.

[minimutly]

It will make ecu makers install a 2 map system - mot and performance, some do allready.