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« on: July 11, 2012, 11:15:35 AM » |
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The IVA issues are many and old kits and the like that need to be submitted are not to put too fine a point on it clart big time.
There is much info on the nett on various sites that help steer those foolhardy enough to venture up the IVA road. I have personally seen for myself what happened when a Marlin kit built to what was actually quite a high standard by a couple of old retired engineers was submitted for IVA, to see the old lads struggling to get it through and ultimately give up was sad to see, the 2.5mm radius on the wing edges then the resubmission fee only to be told then the edging they had fitted had to be a permanent part of the wing, then the days of building up the edges of the wings and realizing it was just not going to happen, cash was a factor but they were not helped by what i fel was over enthusiastic Vosa employees.
Anyway tale told and the point of all this, . I am not going down the IVA route i cant do with it all and life is too short etc.etc.
If you get a chassis with no reg documentation and fit a old body or body parts to it along with an appropriate engine and all the other trappings lights whatever, i would think it needs IVA for sure.
Now single vehicle approval is by rumor more forgiving than IVA so given the above loose description Just what would constitute the list of parts previously registered chassis running gear and other components that would render a car appropriate for SVA.
Even getting a road regd chassis and log book looks prone to questionable interpritation further on in time and perhaps the problems cropping up latter. Not sure i have explained this that well but i know what i mean, and will try and talk through issues as they crop up.
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 12:44:50 PM » |
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You can (or could) use that moulded rubber stuff on the edges but it had to be glued on I think which made it permanent or is that only applicable for the MSVA? I dont think it matter how skilled someone is unless they have a look through what is required and build to the requirements they will fail.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 01:42:30 PM » |
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Is there no simple way to build a bits a this and that rod anymore without encountering this annoyance. i am not even too sure if changing suspension engine trans and axle wont land you in this mire, i know the mini z car builders have to iva their cars in certain circumstances.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 09:15:07 PM » |
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Kapri would be the chap to talk to on this, but in my very humble opinion, it's gonna get harder & harder to dodge the system. However, building your hotrod, (or bike, or trike), within the rules isn't as hard as you'd think. There are several regulars here who've put trikes through the MSVA & at least one who's put a bike through. I'm in the process of putting a truck through the old style goods vehicle SVA test, (now phased out for new applicants).
Read the rule book, talk to the ones who've done it & don't get disheartened!
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 10:16:29 PM » |
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We had a neighbour some years ago who built a Merlin kit car and rushed to get it registered here before emigrating to Oz because it just couldn't be done there. Maybe we're heading the same way.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 07:12:33 PM » |
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It's only basicly the same as a Caterham, and there's plenty of those gone through. Like Andy says, read the manual, the testers aren't all ogres. We'll be putting a traditionally styled model "A" hot rod though its retest soon. It didn't fail on much either, just some over looked bits!!
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 06:48:59 PM » |
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The way around this is quite simple.
The following rules apply to all vehicles.
If you don not use the original chassis of the vehicle then it will require an IVA for cars or MSVA for bikes and Trikes.
In order to retain the identity of a vehicle you must meet the "8 points" requirement.
The text below is taken from the DVLA website
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
•chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
•suspension = 2 points
•axles = 2 points
•transmission = 2 points
•steering assembly = 2 points
•engine = 1 point
The next bit might be useful and is readily available on certain websites and came from the DVLA
Once you meet that requirement then your vehicle retains it's identity. NO IVA, SVA
So purchase vehicle that is legal and registered that has a chassis that is separate to the body. Change the body to one that you want and make sure that if you change owt else you maintain the points level at 8 or above.
Once you have notified the DVLA of the change of body type etc then you can proceed to change other items without affecting the identity of the vehicle.
Also you may not be aware of the fact that you do the following to a chassis without affecting the identity.
You can strengthen the chassis
By adding extra cross members or boxing in "C" beams.
You can move body mounting points such as outriggers.
"YOU MUST NOT"
Remove or move any structural part of the chassis, lengthen or shorten it.
Hope that helps
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