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					 Title: chain drive reliant axel Post by: one arm bandit on July 06, 2012, 01:51:11 PM right, i have a 1958 matchless g3ls, it currently has a 1951 ajs 500cc big banger in it i have the correct engine for it but thats in bits and lots of them.   i want to finish it off and get it back on the road(last on road 1993) theres just a bit of tidying and wiring to do get exhaust and 389/01 amal carb, the one on it comes back as francis barnett it runs but not right.  i was planning on finishing it making addaptions i need then riding as a solo. but since finishing my trike and riding that round i feel safer and i think i like it more than solo ??? so i thought about making a bolt on maybe hard tail trike ,taking the rear sub frame off aswell to get rid of the seat and mudgaurd and bolting my conversion on as the whole back half of the bike/trike trying to keep it old looking at the same time. being chain driven id need to convert the back axel prob use a reliant one and moggie steels.. so how hard of a job is it to convert them?? i dont need to shorten one side of the axel as i was thinking of a roller bearing set up behind the gear box to bring the chain in to the centre going back to the axel??  anyone got advice or opinions???? ile get some pics up of the bike and do a build thread when i get started and have a dry day as i need to fetch the bike from the old dears house its been dry stored for 19years. :) 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: panthershaun on July 06, 2012, 02:02:46 PM go for a regal axle as they are easy to convert or so I am told... Sumo converted my old Ford Pop axle to chain drive for his Panther trike.. not to sure how easy it would be to convert a "modern" reliant axle to chain.. but what ever you decide to do go for it... 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: zakboy on July 06, 2012, 02:03:09 PM yes a reliant regal axle is what you want as you can get a bigger cog in than the other reliants axles, for better ratio. :)i dont think it would be that difficult 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: one arm bandit on July 06, 2012, 08:54:33 PM right been gathering info for a chain drive axel, cant afford to get a regal axel, so ive found that a rialto/robin axel can be done just the same usin 37/39 teeth rear sprocket , also been looking at using a bevel box to the reliant axel so thats somthing ile look in to more as there ready available for cheep on ebay, mount it on a plate and fix a sprocket on to it, doing it this way will mean a longer wheel base though and id like to keep this one short no more than 70"ish ??? 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: digger06 on July 06, 2012, 09:40:08 PM this will be interesting, will it need an mot seeing as its 1958 when the new laws appear? 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: nabsim on July 07, 2012, 09:20:45 AM If you are using a bevel box from something like an XS you can also change sprocket sizes to alter gearing OAB ;) 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: trev on July 07, 2012, 09:32:31 AM i,ve got a xs 750 bevel box in my shed. 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: one arm bandit on July 07, 2012, 12:34:50 PM If you are using a bevel box from something like an XS you can also change sprocket sizes to alter gearing OAB ;)  that was my thinking i could soon mount one on the rear frame then just make a suitable prop, i was thinking of using moggie 14" standard wheels with standard tyres so should end up around the same size as the bike rear wheel, want thin tyres to keep it as old looking as pos, ooohhhhh im getting excited all ove again,  just sent the very old v5 off to change from dads name to mine also put a change to historic vehical tax as its still bicycle see what it comes back with,this will be interesting, will it need an mot seeing as its 1958 when the new laws appear?  ile mot it anyway i think this new law will have some sort of catch and be a load of b******s, the goverment wont want to save us £30 a year.i,ve got a xs 750 bevel box in my shed.  is it for sale trev, ile be ready to start sorcing bits in a week or two when funds allow ;) Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: Manky Monkey on July 07, 2012, 10:47:18 PM Mr Bandit. I spoke to Chris at Loony's workshop today, ("fORGOTTEN" here on the forum). He's got a complete set of standard Morris Minor wheels, including the spare. Yours for a tennner each. 
					If you're after a chain drive axle, why not use a Moggy Minor one? (Chris could probably sell you that too). In the early days of Back Street Heroes magazine there were several bike engined trikes featured with Moggy axles. Cut a slot in the diff casing & weld/bolt a sprocket to the crown gear. I think they ran in oil & used a rubber "gasket" around the chain entry/exit slot. Alternatively, lubricate the chain with a Scott Oiler or similar. Could you run the diff gears in heavy grease rather than oil? Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: rob62 on July 08, 2012, 08:30:22 AM plate over planetry gear oil holes..fit grease nipple and fill with high temp grease. 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: rob62 on July 08, 2012, 08:35:25 AM http://www.sprocketsunlimited.com/ (http://www.sprocketsunlimited.com/) 
					these people do a good range of blank sprockets just need to get them machined to your requirements Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: one arm bandit on July 08, 2012, 08:42:32 AM Mr Bandit. I spoke to Chris at Loony's workshop today, ("fORGOTTEN" here on the forum). He's got a complete set of standard Morris Minor wheels, including the spare. Yours for a tennner each.   If you're after a chain drive axle, why not use a Moggy Minor one? (Chris could probably sell you that too). In the early days of Back Street Heroes magazine there were several bike engined trikes featured with Moggy axles. Cut a slot in the diff casing & weld/bolt a sprocket to the crown gear. I think they ran in oil & used a rubber "gasket" around the chain entry/exit slot. Alternatively, lubricate the chain with a Scott Oiler or similar. Could you run the diff gears in heavy grease rather than oil? thanks mm do you ever stop thinking of all of us?? ile def have a couple of wheels, i have decided to use a bevel box as it will be easyer to change the gearing but know reason why i couldnt use a moggie axel, if you could work your charm :D its more inkeeping with the age after all. ;) :) :) Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: one arm bandit on July 08, 2012, 08:45:30 AM http://www.sprocketsunlimited.com/ (http://www.sprocketsunlimited.com/)  thanks rob there not far from good old shropshire so would come in hand for machining the bevel sprocket(s)these people do a good range of blank sprockets just need to get them machined to your requirements Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: panthershaun on July 08, 2012, 09:31:51 AM  ("fORGOTTEN" here on the forum). He's got a complete set of standard Morris Minor wheels, including the spare. Yours for a tennner each. I'll take any that are left over please Andy :-* need some for the Kitten project.. Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: Manky Monkey on July 08, 2012, 09:41:21 AM  ;D We'll just share Chris's car out amongst us shall we! 
					You're gonna put wheels on your cat? That's gonna be one seriously p*ssed off feline :o It's what I do Mr Bandit. I love all you lot -except that bloke over there. Yeah, you. How'd you get in here anyway. G'wan, bugger off. We don't want your type here. And shut the door behind you. Has he gone? Right. I'll get Chris's mobile number from Loony today & pass it on to you two & you can sort out prices & delivery with him. MMMotors mechanical match-making. :-* Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: Manky Monkey on July 08, 2012, 11:45:01 AM PMs sent with Chris's phone number chaps. 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: trev on July 08, 2012, 12:37:42 PM yeh its for sale £30 to you,which i think is about half what they for go on ebay ,should i put it to one side for you. 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: zakboy on July 08, 2012, 04:12:08 PM yeh its for sale £30 to you,which i think is about half what they for go on ebay ,should i put it to one side for you.  thats a good price Trev,snap it up Bandit mateTitle: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: one arm bandit on July 08, 2012, 04:13:44 PM yeh its for sale £30 to you,which i think is about half what they for go on ebay ,should i put it to one side for you.  yeah deffenatly trev thanks, ile sort you out next week if thats ok ;) ;)Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: trev on July 09, 2012, 07:31:58 AM sorted. 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: stumpy on July 13, 2012, 07:55:24 AM got a pair of reliant wheels yuuuuck it you pay postage you can have them tyres as well!!! will be off to dump soon 
					Title: Re: chain drive reliant axel Post by: one arm bandit on July 13, 2012, 10:50:53 AM thanks stumpy, ive got a pair of 12" off my donner from the reliant trike build. hows that tank coming along mate or have i missed the finished pics :( 
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