My new build trike GS850l

[Daddy Bear]

thanks all i have still more fabricating to do on the chassis need to strengthen the attachment also anti tramp bars  , the race bike is a TZR 250 CHASSIS with manxton forks & rear shock FZR 400 wheels and tzr125 disks , it haz a SRX 670 single in it and a micron GP pipe on it my god its loud ha it goes realy well i will get some picks for yer , DB

[Al]

hi db newbie here
im trying to get the the bits to trike the same us import but question for you have you shortned the axle am i right to think you have turned the axle otherway
trike looks good it will be nice to see it when it is finished but good to read your progress
also meant to ask what size  of tube and thickness are you  using 
chears al

[TwistedPatience]

Siral

I run a GS 850 with a full width axle and don't have any problems and yes you do have to turn the axle upside down.

[Daddy Bear]

Hello chaps,in answer to your questions the axle is standard and turned over ,the pipe is orange steam pipe 34mm with a 4mm wall, the other pipe is 34mm with a 2.5 wall 
i have made the brackets for the rear shocks and tacked them in to place ive got it down of the bench to see how it sits and it looks pretty good c waht u think ,, Siral pls put some pick ov your trike build so we can compare notes thanks DB

[Al]

db i wont be starting trike build to after christmas getting treatment just now so cant realy go outside the build im going to do will be in a pals garage and hes going to clear it out over xmas holidays so need to wait till then so just gathering bits and bobs going to try and do two bought hardtail while ago already trike but not realy been motivated but really missing going out on bike been stick in blooming chair for last year doing nothing so want to get back into do something but will post photos when i start chears db 
al

[Manky Monkey]

Being wheel chair bound, you're obviously gonna face a few extra problems than the rest of us Siral. Now might be the time to put some thought into just what you need from your trike design as it might affect the style of 3 wheeler you can ride.
Can you stand for short periods of time to get aboard for example? If not, most disabled trikers I know use a wooden board to slide across from their chairs into the saddle. That means the saddle needs to be roughly the same height as your wheelchair & you have to be able to swing your leg over the petrol tank & maybe secure your feet to the footpegs with straps -so flat footboards might be a better option. "Aries Snake" had boot clips from a pair of skis on his V8 Rover engined trike, which he simply clipped his bike boots into. You'd also need somewhere to stow the board -& the chair. Does yours dismantle? Could you do that from the seat of the trike? That'll mean some good secure chair mounts on the back of the trike, within arm's reach of the saddle. That in turn might affect whether you can carry passengers or not. Would you need a passenger to help you on & off? I guess a pair of crutches would make things simpler if you can use them. They could be strapped across the handlebars or down the side of the engine.
Might be worth having a word with Bobbi, ("BikerGran"). I believe she's a rep for NABD, the National Association for Bikers with a Disability. They can arrange fitment of electronic gear shifters, controlled from a button on the handlebars & give more qualified advice on other modifications that might help you. Registering a trike for disabled use is slightly different to the normal MSVA route & again, the NABD guys can guide you through that.
Aries Snake is a forum member, though he hasn't posted for a while. I can give you his email address if you need it. And this very website was originally put together on my behalf by "Yoda", another wheeled wonder. 
Plenty of disabled trikers out there. It just takes a bit more thought to build something that'll suit your needs, that's all. 

[BikerGran]

I'#m no longer a NABD rep but the info is all there on their website -
http://www.nabd.org.uk/adaptions/javaindex.htm .  

You might want to think about some kind of reverse gear too as you won't have the option of pushing it back, and some people have a wheelchair rack that swings round to make it easier to load the chair - their forum might be a good place to make contacts although it's not as busy as it was http://forum.disabledbiker.co.uk/index.php

Just give me a shout if you need to know anything more about the nABD, I'm still happy to pass on info or put people in touch, just didn't have the time or energy to carry on with the rep job.

[Al]

thanks for advice i had thought about trying to get chair put somewhere but can use crutches but not for long my left leg is ok for now but had spoke to one of my friends who has a pal in nabd and was going to try and get me info on putting rear brake onto front brake lever so i would be able to do that had been thinking off how to secure my right foot but hadnt come up with anything yet but never thought of ski bindings
i was told it would be easier for me to take trike to ministry first before doing any modifications that i need as they were quite strict up here in sunny glasgow
 sorry db coming of the subject of your build it does sit nice

[BikerGran]

If a trike is being built for a disabled person it doesn't have to go through MSVA - that's all on the NABD site somewhere too!

[Al]

i didnot know that thanks bikergran its just sent log book away and they said i had to take it to minstry to change it from two wheeled vehicle to three will need to phone them thanks 

[BikerGran]

Yes it still has to be changed to a trike, there's a whole thread about it somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.

[thebigdogsix]

There was an article in 100%biker recently about what you have to do
cant remember which months issue it was but it had a green mantis bike on the cover
hth

Dan

Found a link

http://www.jazzpublishing.co.uk/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=prodshow&ref=biker_132&sid=y5l8742m6j752qen02sgs29nx965a220

[BikerGran]

I knew I'd seen an article somewhere, this id from the actual experience of Gary Seddon...

The following is a bit of rambling of my experience when I registered our trike. It worked for me so I hope it helps someone.

So you finally managed to finish building your trike without having an apoplexy or losing your sanity. The sun is shining and the riding season is nearly upon us. Job done and life is starting to look all rosy again…Err! Perhaps not.

Being a home built vehicle its going to need a thing called an MSVA (Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval) Easy enough to book and have done if your trike is built to the criteria laid out in the MSVA and it complies with the C&U (construction & use) regulations.

The list of reasons a perfectly well built but adapted trike would fail the MSVA is a bit long to list here but if your trike would fail because it’s adapted for use by a disabled rider there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Fortunately there is a way to get your registration and inspection sorted out without too much bother. As a disabled person you are entitled to use a dispensation within the legislation that means that you only have to take the trike to your local DVLA office for an inspection before registration and for an MOT so they can issue your tax disk. The MOT station should also be able to stamp your frame number on for you.
I have been through the process and have been taking notes so that I may be able to steer some of you through it without too much hassle. This is sort of how it went.


After several phone calls to Swansea I finally realised the best option is to speak directly to your local office. Our Local office in Trafford sent me form V627/1 a Built Up Vehicle Inspection Report and formV55/5 Application for a first licence for a used motor vehicle and declaration for registration.

Now I have to point out that my trike is home built using components from at least 4 different vehicles and as such is classed as a built up vehicle and not a new one. There may be different forms for other vehicles.
Make sure the person you speak too has all the information about your build and adaptations so they can send the correct forms. There’s nothing worse than having to fill in and post a second set because you were sent the wrong ones the first time.
The DVLA staff at the Manchester office were on the ball and got this sorted without any hassles.

It’s also a good idea to itemise your receipts and include the list and all receipts with the forms when you send them off. I would also write a letter explaining your reasons for building the trike and highlight any adaptations you have fitted to suit your needs. This makes it easier for the staff at the DVLA to process your application without them having to contact you for additional information.
The more you tell them the first time means they don’t have to waste time writing to you. You will also need to include your DLA 404 to prove you are in receipt of the disabled tax entitlement.

Either post the forms or if you are a bit like me and want stuff done fast, hand deliver your forms to your local office, make sure you get them to the right person. They will post an appointment time to you to confirm the time and place for your inspection.

Contrary to popular urban myth you cannot ride to the inspection, the trike needs to be on a trailer. NOT an “A” frame or spectacle lift but a trailer. As an unregistered vehicle it is not allowed on the road and the DVLA staff have told me it’s a trailer or nothing.
Another misconception is that the DVLA will inspect your trike at home.
It used to be the case but in an effort to reduce waiting times it’s now an appointment at a DVLA approved site instead.
Apparently it saves time because in the time it would normally take to drive between different peoples home addresses they can do four or five inspections at their site. I’m all for this as I expected to wait for a month or so at least but got in within 2 weeks.

There are some that tell me that they did it differently and rode to tests etc, or in some cases they had home visits. Like I said earlier, things have changed at the DVLA concerning the process with regards trikes and bikes built for use by disabled riders - for the better I hope, as it’s time all DVLA offices came up with a country wide strategy to get this done as simply and as quickly as possible.

So off to the inspection, not a test but an inspection to show that the trike is exactly as you describe it on the built up vehicle report and the registration document. Make sure you arrive in good time, these places run like clockwork and you will not be seen if you are late.

At the inspection the DVLA Inspector took a few photos and took the details of the parts down for comparison with the receipts I had submitted. He then told me he would put the details in the system that afternoon to produce the documents and Identity for the Trike. They would be posted out the next day. Once they arrive you can then take it for a MOT test and stamp the VIN on it. The DVLA will then issue your tax disk and registration number with for your trike. They will issue a number plate authorisation certificate so you can get your plate. Your registration document will arrive in the post a short time later.

Not a difficult process but you need to make sure you have all your paperwork in order and I strongly suggest you do a proper job of the build. Even though our trike is not having an MSVA I am pretty certain it would pass one. Don’t do a half- baked job on your build just because you can get it registered without a MSVA, your safety depends on you building it right.

There are also some sad people out there who think the dispensation within the MSVA for a disabled rider is a loophole to be exploited. This is well out of order and in fact is a criminal offence. Supplying false information on the declaration you sign is in fact fraud and you will be prosecuted if caught out.

There are also those who encourage other people to claim that the trike is for a disabled rider to circumvent the MSVA. That’s even worse in my book because when nonsense like that is disseminated on websites it opens the system to abuse.
If the abuse continues long enough the government will pull the dispensation for disabled riders and ruin it for hundreds or even thousands of disabled riders all over the country.

The build wasn’t easy, or that hard come to think of it. The process of registering the trike was simplicity itself. It was only easy because I took the time to make the calls and gather all the paperwork I needed. I do think a simple bulleted leaflet with the steps on sent with your application forms from the DVLA would be helpful. It would save people a bit of time having all the information before you apply.

Like most things in life, It was easy because I planned things out. If I hadn’t I’d still be trying to register the damn thing and would not have a tasty summer ride.

I’m not saying my way is the only way but it worked for me and if you go about it in a similar fashion you will have relatively little bother in getting on the road.

Ride safe

Gary Seddon

[Al]

thanks everyone for your help and advice and the information i will contact dvla and see if i can get the forms sent out hope to start building in the second week in january first build iv done for about 3 years should be fun
sorry daddy bear

[Daddy Bear]

  hello chaps thats not a problem Siral thats all valuable info , i got in to trikin after 1 raceing accident and a few years later a construction accident , garage wall fell on me but i thiught i would never ride anything ever again trikes gave me the will to push harder , had a new hip and stuff now but still love trikes and the people who have them u get better soon DB