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cunningplan
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« on: August 29, 2009, 08:29:41 AM »

Hope your sitting comfortably as it a long story.
I built The Cunning Plan out of what was a street car, (I ran this on the road from 1989 until 1995 with a Rover V8 and the original steel body.) this had a home made box section chassis with a 3 mm tube roll cage fitted.
I uses Spitfire front and Jag IRS suspension, the front has home made bottom arms which are fully adjustable for caster and camber, while the rear has had plates welded to the hubs and are solid mounted to the chassis (The drive shafts on a Jag act as the top arms, so if you break one, the suspension collapses and this is to stop that.)
I raced it like this for ten years until the end of 2005, they changed the MSA rules and like Brock's Black Pig, it did not conform to the new ones and was relegated to Test & Tune meetings only. (This is my other story, while I could not take part in MSA events as a driver, I was asked if I wanted to become a scrutineer, this I done and will tell you about it in another thread when I have chance.)
I always intended to build a new chassis for the car and when Brock said at the end of last year a friend was selling chassis kits on ebay, I contacted him and ordered a new comp altered chassis. (Brock also designed and had him to make him as well to make Black Pig Too)
For those who don't know, the difference between a slingshot dragster and altered chassis is that in a slingshot you sit behind the axle and a altered in front. I located and bought a Dina rear axle front the Bee Sting crew (This also included the front tube axle and other parts.) I have also been in touch with a gentleman who has a 351 4 bolt Cleveland with C4 box sitting in his garage, which I hope will be sitting in the car when finished.
It was always my intention to either use my old body or a new Mini body for the project, but like many things, I changed my mind.
While I like dragsters, I have never really wanted to build one, I always like something which does look like a car of some sorts, one of my old favourite cars was The Chicken/Crescent Coupe, so when Brock was unhappy with the front end of Black Pig Too, I arranged to have this off him and get a new dragster lower rail made up so I (I am saying "I" but Brock will be doing most of the chassis work) could build a near replica. I have ordered a new Fiat Topolino body off a nice man from North Wales which will be modified to suit.
I am in no real rush to get going on the new car and as Mr & Mrs Brock are trying to get their new cars out the tubes are sitting waiting for all the bits to turn up in the same place.
This was going well until we had the axle down from the north and have found its "HUGE" making Brocks 9 inch look like a Pop axle. this would be OK if it was going to sit behind me, but I am going to have problems with getting my legs over it, also we have found it is nearly 10 inch's too wide, again OK if on a altered like it was intended for but not a dragster/comp coupe. someone was selling a narrowed live Jag axle the other week, but this was 10 inch's too narrow, so it looks like I am going to have to sell the one I have and locate one the right size (37 inch's)
Anyway, that's all for now and below is what I hope to have in about a years time or so.

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2009, 10:12:13 AM »

Interesting. So show us some piccies of the Mini bodied beastie then Tony. I didn't know both you & Brock had fallen foul of rule changes. What was that -a change of dimensions, or noise levels or something? Brock mentioned something a while ago about you having to fit silencers to drag cars soon. That'd ruin half the racing atmosphere for me!
Love the car in the photos -clever how they've painted it all in black & white.  Smiley Where were those pics taken?
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2009, 11:25:35 AM »

You now need to have 3 mm wall thickness tube for all the roll cage area.
My problem was that it runs a box section main chassis (and it is only 2.5 mm anyway) and in my class it has to be completely tube.
Brock's problem is that its got only 2.5 mm wall thickness

The two photos were taken early 70s at the Pod

As to the noise problem, yes they are going to have to be silenced, but the limit will not be as low as most motor sports.
The problem with Long Marston/Avon Park/Shakespeare County Raceway (Which ever you want to call the place)  is that it has curfews and limited use due to the noise, it is hoped that if we comply the restrictions might be lifted a little to give more times and dates the track can be used.
Don't forget the street eliminator cars run silencers and some of them are running low 8s high 7s at over 180 mph

Will have to look through my old photos to see if I can find the build up photos of the Mini
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2009, 11:44:13 AM »

If you can find some photos & string a few words together, we'd love to feature it in the Motors section Tony.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2009, 03:29:44 PM »

hi,
nice write up, i love hearing the history of motors, peoples life story and there adventures.

cheers chris.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2009, 07:30:42 AM »

Is number 32 yours then Tony?
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2009, 08:15:06 AM »

Is number 32 yours then Tony?


No, but hope it will be as near to it when finished, the main diffrence will be that mine will have to be a bit longer, this is due that the original had direct drive from engine to back axle, mine will have to run a gearbox.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 07:18:09 AM »

Just a little update.
As I said in my first posting, the axle I have is just too big, well at the HRDs I managed to locate a Ford 9 inch which is 35 1/4 inch's wide, while its about a inch too narrow, I can at least fit spacers (No problem as long as they are the solid type)
After a phone call from the gentleman who has it, the cheque will be on its way north today and it will be coming down in a few weeks time.
Engine wise, I spoke to the fella I hope to be buying the engine and box off on the weekend and will be seeing him again at the Pod next weekend.
At least the chassis can now be lay-ed out.
More updates and photos as they happen.
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 08:54:35 AM »

That's good news then Tony. Will be good to see you back racing again.
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 10:51:33 PM »

(A little bit of a update.) So I can spend as much as I can on the new car, this weekend saw the last runs of The Cunning Plan as it stands now.
When the new car is finished and if I still have the Dana axle, I might do the same as Brock and use the engine and box and have a new chassis built.
As to the new axle, phoned up Alan who I bought it off and found he had a heart attack and couldn't get down the track this weekend, (If you're reading this Alan, get well soon), as we are going up North for holiday this week and will be passing not far from him in North Wales on the way back down, we are going to pick it up.
With this taken to Brocks, the chassis can be set up on the jig to be started. (I have got to say, that his car/cars will always come first as I am not that much of a hurry)
Hopefully there will be some photos to show soon.
Also I was told the body will soon be ready to pick up.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 08:33:20 PM »

That's great Tony. Will be good to see you racing again.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 10:37:05 PM »

Here are the first of hopefully of loads of build up photos, its going to be a bit drawn out, but at least its started.
The first are Brock's major contribution with the front axle


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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 10:39:45 PM »

Don't even ask why there are two drop tubes in the photo above.


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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 10:42:54 PM »

now with some of my work, it was not alot, but to fit the new rear axle, I had to take out a little of the centre hub and make the holes a little longer.


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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 10:57:48 PM »

That's a seriously narrow axle Tony! Is that an armoured shield over the axle casing?
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