Manky's Pop.

[Olds]

settled for "hoiking" them up until the veins started to throb in my forehead & calling that good enough.

Are you sure the torque wrench was working.
210 NM is 155 ft.lb With a 3 ft. breaker you should only need to apply around 52 lbs force

[morrag]

This is a "me too!" moment for me Mr. M!! , ensure you are not missing a spacer or shim some where, lad, as, per Olds. caution, that seems possibly an excessive amount of "hoik!"......have a further check, Morrag

[Manky Monkey]

The main problem is the axle's not on the car. It's sat on axle stands, so I'm trying to hold it still & tighten the nut at the same time. The nut is also very narrow, so not a lot of grip with the socket.
The bearing's pressed into the hub & seems tight on the axle stub, but the hub appears to be moving back & forth behind the bearing, as if it's a loose fit. Feels like about 2mm of movement.

[Olds]

Err. When fitting the hub and bearing to the stub, you did only beat on the bearing inner race, didn't you.

[Manky Monkey]

Yes I did Dave. I used a block of wood & a mallet, but made a point of using it on edge to contact just the inner race.
Thanks to Archie for calling in on his way home from work this evening. Even with a full grown Archie hanging on the end of a 3 foot breaker bar though, we couldn't tighten the lock nut any further. I suspect it's at the end of it's travel.
The hub's moving maybe 2 or 3mm on the outer bearing shell -as if the bearing's too small, or maybe the hub's cracked?
Whatever it is, the hub needs to come off again to see exactly what's going on -which leads us to the next problem. Having tightened the nut as far as possible, we couldn't undo it again, either with the breaker bar, or by shocking it loose with a shorter bar & a big hammer. We very nearly dropped the axle off the stands in the process.
It was at that point that I drew on painful past experience & decided to lock up for the night & walk away.
A previous owner has obviously used a cold chisel on the nut -I may have to do the same to loosen it -but not tonight.

[Archie]

I reckon an impact gun will shock off the nut ok - we can chuck it in the car and try someone with an air gun or find a cordless knocker gun to borrow.

Cordless gun might be a good investment anyway, but I think the good ones / hi torque ones can be quite expensive - a couple of the guys had snap on ones in the garage i Worked at. On one of the parents cars I couldn't get the wheel nuts off as they'd been gunned up with an air line - couldn't break them with a bar, but the cordless snap on one just got them off no problem at all.

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Just annoying you have to buy batteries for a lot of them on top

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[Archie]

re holland, it might all be cancelled -

Netherlands bans gathering of over 100 people due to coronavirus

https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Netherlands-bans-gathering-of-over-100-people-due-to-coronavirus-620745

[Manky Monkey]

It's my day off tomorrow so I'll have a fresh look at the axle. If I can get the nut off I'll pull the hub off for a better look, (a mate from work gave me an old Royal Mail workshop slide hammer).
There's a spacer ring that sits on the front outer face of the bearing & is sandwiched between it & the drive shaft end plate. I can't see that the hub would be allowed to slop about until that's fitted, or that fitting it would hold the hub in place, but I'll have a good look at it tomorrow.

[Manky Monkey]

2 days later -haven't looked at it yet.
A friend asked if she could store some furniture in my 2nd garage, so I spent some time shuffling parts about yesterday. I'd forgotten just how heavy the pick-up bed is. It'd take 3 or 4 blokes to carry it any distance.
It needs completely rebuilding, (it's not as nice as it looks here), but I'm thinking of cutting it into 4 separate side panels that can bolt together at the corners & taking the floor out completely as I'm never going to carry anything in it.
I'll push on with getting the Pop roadworthy again, then this can be done at a later date.

[Manky Monkey]

Dutch show cancelled. I now have 2 weeks off work at the end of March with nowhere to go -can't travel anywhere else, so I guess I can spend it in the garage.

[Manky Monkey]

I spent a few hours this afternoon shouting at my axle, as you do. I never, ever swear -except when I'm in the garage. Apologies to the residents of South Ham, Basingstoke.
I began by trying the brake drum on the wobbly hub, just to see if bolting it to the drive shaft made any difference. Of course, it didn't, but it took me an hour of cursing, fiddling & whopping with a mallet to get the drum over the new brake shoes. Then I had to take it off again.
I pulled the drive shaft back out, then tried to remove the hub nut that Archie & I tightened. Much more cursing & a hammer & chisel & it finally came loose. Fortunately it's not too beaten up, but I'll check Rimmer Brothers, the Rover/British Leyland specialists, to see if they stock new ones anyway.

[Manky Monkey]

So the hub needed to come off. Fortunately a mate in the Post Office workshops gave me a P/O issue slide-hammer a while ago. Held on the wheel studs with a couple of wheel nuts, a couple of sharp whacks did the trick.

[Manky Monkey]

No damage on the axle stub.

[Archie]

Glad it’s off, any damage to the thread where the nut goes on? Stopping it tighten up properly?

[Manky Monkey]

No obvious damage to the stub thread or bearing either, but I was able to push it out of the hub by hand. That can't be right & it certainly wasn't that loose when my mate pressed the bearings in for me. One score around the recess in the hub, probably caused by the bearing turning in it.
So a loose bearing was the problem, but I'm not sure what to do about it. I happen to deliver the Mail to the Post Office mechanic's house, so will consult him tomorrow. If he can't help I can drive over to Farnborough to the bearing supplier, (assuming they're not shut because of the Corona Virus). Is there a bearing version of Loctite fluid? I guess, as a last resort I could get the hub machined to take a larger outside diameter bearing, if there's one available.
One of the wheel studs had come loose while Archie & I were wrestling with the hub the other day, so at least I can whack that back in now.