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« Reply #240 on: November 25, 2014, 01:00:28 PM » |
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« Reply #241 on: November 25, 2014, 01:06:04 PM » |
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To get a beaded edge the wire is just used to stop the bead collapsing as you hammer the former, as you would for a wired edge and it's helpful to hold the wire in place with some masking tape. On heavier gauge steel, I use a tool I made for making swage lines, instead of using a wooden former (that, and a bigger hammer  ). There are probably real sheet metal workers having a real hissy fit over the way I do this but it works for me and I hope it helps someone else.  |
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« Reply #242 on: November 25, 2014, 06:28:19 PM » |
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It's a small detail, but makes a big difference to the finished look of the vehicle doesn't it.
Funny anvils should be mentioned -Mr Loon took delivery of a dirty great big blacksmiths anvil today Dave, (that's a big anvil, not a big blacksmith).
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« Reply #243 on: November 25, 2014, 08:37:53 PM » |
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The beaded or wired edges are also functional in that they stiffen the sheet steel ( can use a thinner gauge )and also get rid of sharp edges.
Funny anvils should be mentioned -Mr Loon took delivery of a dirty great big blacksmiths anvil today Dave, (that's a big anvil, not a big blacksmith).
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« Reply #244 on: November 25, 2014, 10:28:52 PM » |
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We used to wire the front and rear wings on old Rollers and Bentleys, in the restoration shop at Mulliner Park Ward. Your way of doing it Dave is as good as any other.
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« Reply #245 on: November 25, 2014, 10:50:50 PM » |
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Cheers Dave, very interesting reading. Its great to pick up these tips for future reference.
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« Reply #246 on: November 25, 2014, 11:08:21 PM » |
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We used to wire the front and rear wings on old Rollers and Bentleys, in the restoration shop at Mulliner Park Ward. Your way of doing it Dave is as good as any other.
When were you there ? Did you know Lance ? |
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« Reply #247 on: November 25, 2014, 11:47:57 PM » |
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« Reply #248 on: November 26, 2014, 10:32:07 AM » |
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It's probably the coldest place in the whole workshop for it to sit.
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« Reply #249 on: November 26, 2014, 11:45:33 AM » |
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there used to be something about sitting on cold surfaces, got m ear clipped a few times when I was a lad. Olds, that is near enough the correct way to do it, even your formula aint that far a way. Great work, good to see old skills being used.  |
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« Reply #250 on: November 26, 2014, 12:41:34 PM » |
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« Reply #251 on: November 26, 2014, 12:45:52 PM » |
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Hi olds. Fascinating reading all this. Just one question though, I can see the difference between a beaded and a wired edge no problem but why two different methods of edging, what I mean is where would you use one in preference to other?
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« Reply #252 on: November 26, 2014, 02:11:32 PM » |
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what I mean is where would you use one in preference to other?
Really depends on the application. The top gussets (on the right) are to a large extent decorative items at an ugly junction. Made from 0.9mm steel with a beaded edge and radius edge holes. They are quite strong but still very light. The bottom brace/gussets (left) are more structural and as such are made from 1.6mm steel, with two wired edges. The wire used being 3mm dia steel rod. Much heavier. |
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« Reply #253 on: November 26, 2014, 05:10:24 PM » |
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Right, that makes sense thank you. Always good to learn something new.
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« Reply #254 on: November 26, 2014, 07:40:10 PM » |
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We used to wire the front and rear wings on old Rollers and Bentleys, in the restoration shop at Mulliner Park Ward. Your way of doing it Dave is as good as any other.
When were you there ? Did you know Lance ? I was there from 1970 to 73 I didn't finish my apprenticeship went chasing more money. I don't recall a Lance, I spent most of my time with an old boy called Freddie Widham a real artist with metal was Fred. |
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