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dobber
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« on: March 10, 2012, 09:19:20 AM »

geting to the end of my tether with this build now. seem to be allways going backwards lately. new prob is oil leaking from rear of engine, put new seal in the crank but the oil seems to be coming from the sump side. new gasket on there but seems the threads aint so good that go into the block. plus a leak from the front. got the crank seal for this. is it the one in the timing chain cover. had it all stripped but cant recall.
appreciate any advice on this.
 after crap day at work tried to do something positive and ended up more disheartened with it. 15 month down the line and i figure i should be further on. same prob as rod, dont even know if its a good lump yet.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 11:24:13 AM »

im the same on the lump. i had it as a compleat car had only been off the road a month or so as the head gasket went, i did fire it up when i got it but only a couple of seconds, i compleatly mangled the head getting it off. i replaced it but not to confedent it a good one yet, i put oil in it yestarday so im going to see if is still in there or not and she if i can get her going.  we'll all get there in the end dobber then wonder what weve been stressing over . even still with the bad bits its one hell of enjoyable thing to do Wink
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 10:07:49 PM »

Timing cover oil seal Replacement ;
{ 1 } Positive Note ;
You can change the timing cover oil seal without removing the timing cover or water pump { Much easier of course on a trike } .
{ 2 } Negative Note ;
Small chance that the seal will not be 100% centralized around the timing belt pulley
{ 3 } Method ;
Removal ;
Slacken off the Alternator .
Remove the Fan belt .
Remove the Timing Cover Pulley .
You might have to remove the radiator depending on location .
Prise out the old oil seal using a couple of screwdrivers or a dedicated seal puller ,
TAKING CARE NOT TO SCORE THE SIDES OF THE TIMING COVER .

Fitting ;
Get a good strong washer large enough to cover the old oil seal
Lubricate the new seal  
Place the new seal in position
Place the old seal on top of the new seal as a pusher
Place the washer on top of the old seal
Use the pulley bolt to push the new seal in by just tightening the bolt

{ 4 } CHECK THE TIMING COVER PULLEY IS NOT WORN / SCORED AT THE POINT WHERE THE SEAL SITS  .
Sometimes the leak is not the oil seal itself but a damaged pulley .
Either change the pulley for a good one or fit a Speedi Sleeve available from
http://www.acorn-ind.co.uk/product/speedi-sleeves  
Where you can download the PDF file or go to my website
https://sites.google.com/site/fifersrelianthintsandtips/specialist-parts-suppliers/directory-of-specialist-part-suppliers/speedisleeves
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If engine untried and Timing chain and tensioner of unknown quality then it is best to remove the timing cover to check / replace these components .
Unfortunately to get the timing cover off you also have to remove the waterpump .
Before you strip it get a couple of spare timing cover and waterpump gaskets as well .
On reassembly make sure that ALL the old gasket / gunge is off the faces and they have no scores on them from inside to out .
Fit the new gaskets using only grease { Just grease your fingers and run the gasket through them , coating both sides }
If you do fit a new timing chain and tensioner make sure that the marks are lined up as per the Haynes manual .
After fitting the new oil seal , fit the bolts through the timing cover and fit the gasket over the bolts . then take the cover and gasket to the block .
Easier to fit that way and helps stop the gasket moving .
Fit all the bolts nearly tight but allowing enough movement of the timing cover to centralize .
Slide the timing cover pulley into place .
Centralize the timing cover if necessary .
Tighten up the timing cover bolts .
Remove the timing cover pulley .
Fit the water pump , tightening the nuts up diagonally a little at a time
Fit the timing cover pulley and tighten the bolt

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 10:24:39 PM »

thats freeky fifer, after oiling up the engine yestarday i pleased to say i have only 1 leek, the timing case oil seal. the engine had a splutter but that was all reall theres really no spark so im getting new plugs lead and electronic ign with a sport coil to cure that.on a plus turing the engine over sevral time she sounded sweet no nasty noises.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 10:58:26 PM »

Good to hear that it is sounding good . Smiley
They really are hardy wee motors
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 11:38:01 AM »

Agree with fifer ...make sure the t/cover oil seal is centralised by allowing it to sit nice and easy on the crank,then tighten the cover bolts carefully, a little at a time. (I also rub a little engine oil round the oil seal with my finger (oo er) ,then wipe off lightly before sliding it over the crank.)Although the gaskets should all seal nicely(in the real world) I didnt take a chance with oil spewing out all over the nice clean engine etc.Unlike in a car where its covered. So I used gasket sealer thinly applied on all gaskets.
 
 Regarding head inspection(No not your own,but I think my bonce needs inspecting after the money Ive commited to! Grin) when the engine people had a look at mine they found it to be fairly warped. They said that if a head is warped (bent) in the centre it could theoretically mean that the valves immediately nearest either side of the 'bend' could be correct in their guides ,but slightly angled to their seats causing leaks. I told them I was going to lap them in ,but they recommended a vacuum leak test (dunno how thats done) and they would lightly recut the seats to clean it all up nicely if required.They also said that reliants have really narrow areas of valve to seat seal,ie rim. On inspection, they are correct about that,so I guess it wouldnt take much to throw the valve out of parallel to the seat a bit.
 All this a bit technical,and some may say" a waste of time" "they'll go on forever" etc,but after my 'mishap' I feel its worth it now Ive learnt my lesson.Of course some engines will go on forever,but once bitten twice shy etc for me!! Grin
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 09:00:19 AM »

18 quid to get a sleeve posted out. hope it works..    thank god if it does, 18 quid down n still a leak if not.
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 09:49:09 PM »

18 sheets  Shocked  you could leak 3 litres of oil for that dobber Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2012, 11:17:39 PM »

hey dobber, hows it going ?
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2012, 11:38:22 PM »

hi Andy, not bad at all. bit busy with work but finaly moved the trike under its own steam tonight. god rad fitted but not sure how to set the carb up yet which needs it as i reconded it early on in the project.  hows it going your end? been b uilding a trailer and posted it on here, you seen it?
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 12:07:47 AM »

Yeah, saw the spudder, first class job, I want to know when the opening fry up is Smiley.  Work got in the way of life the past couple of months here, back at it now.  Built a build trailer, and Im on the back end now, busy cleaning / painting / reassembling, just treated myself to a new pair of rear calipers tonight Smiley  Done a lot of fiddling about planning the frame - quite a challenge for a 3 seat soft tail !  - Well done on getting her moving - that'll spur you on Smiley
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