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Title: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 15, 2017, 06:10:37 PM
Hi All

Thought I'd start a post about my current project, converting a Honda ST1100 Pan European year 2000, ex police bike with 60,000ish miles.

Going to try and post pics as and when.

Paul


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 16, 2017, 09:49:02 PM
Ooh! A new build to read -we like build threads  :)
Should be an interesting one.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on June 16, 2017, 09:51:22 PM
Converting to what ?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 17, 2017, 05:42:59 AM
A trike my friend ;)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 17, 2017, 02:26:27 PM
As bought in January


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 17, 2017, 02:47:37 PM
Swingarm removed ready for surgery


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 17, 2017, 03:15:22 PM
Oh my Gawd.-it's started! It'll end in tears. And bankruptcy. And madness! Run now while you still can. Run like the wind!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 17, 2017, 06:56:39 PM
Oh no Andy, full of wind and mad?

Too late :D


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 28, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
Hub after machining


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 28, 2017, 03:57:01 PM
Tother end


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: minimutly on June 30, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
I don't see why youd want to machine doen the outside diameter? Nice to see the 12mm offset studs though, very sensible.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 30, 2017, 12:14:40 PM
It was machined to grip in the lathe chuck to machine the other side.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stumpy on July 06, 2017, 08:32:13 AM
The oil seal may leak now as the inner side of hub needs to be snug in seal !


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 10, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
The hub doesn't sit in the oil seal. It's the shaft that runs in the oil seal. The hub is on the outside of the bearing and only connects with the taper on the shaft.

If you look at a hub, the casting is rough cast, this is what has been turned.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 10, 2017, 08:34:36 PM
Any more progress yet Paul?  :)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: minimutly on July 10, 2017, 11:37:00 PM
It was machined to grip in the lathe chuck to machine the other side.
Yes can see that, but why not just put the shaft in the lathe with the hub assembled on, unless of course it wouldn't go into the lathe shaft?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 11, 2017, 05:00:45 AM
Bingo, you got it. Lathe wouldn't take half shaft.

As to further progress, I've just had a little spell in hospital for a minor op.

On the plus side it gave time for planning.

On the minus side, they get a little upset when you drag out the welder.



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 11, 2017, 05:53:01 AM
 :D Hope you're O.K?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 11, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
On the mend, thanks Andy.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 23, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Started to clean up fibreglass mudguards today, why are there so many lumps?

Trying not to go through the gel coat and want to avoid tons of filler, and then tons of sanding.

I think a good undercoating and top coats with lacquer will do for now.

Should I stone chip the underside?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 03, 2017, 03:23:28 PM
Got my swing arm frame delivered for the second time, following a return to sort out issues. Such as wrong length, despite emailing details. Also diff didn't fit within his metal work.

Any road, diff now fits. Alas, placing straight edge along where axle sits, I can get a 6mm drill under one end.oops. And the two arms where the axle sits are not parallel.

To say I'm slightly miffed would be an understatement.

pics to follow


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 03, 2017, 03:33:05 PM
Pic of frame


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 03, 2017, 03:33:51 PM
pic of gap 6mm


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 03, 2017, 03:37:36 PM
And another view


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: mrhutch on August 03, 2017, 03:44:53 PM
 :o

send it back..  not fit for purpose..  also looks a tad on the spindly side ??


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 03, 2017, 05:17:46 PM
Had a reply back from fabricator, Say it has moved slightly in transit.

I have made it quiet clear my qualifications in engineering.

My opening gambit was " ok, that's absolute nonsense".

Can't wait for the reply on this one.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: mrhutch on August 03, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
moved slightly in transit.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 03, 2017, 06:08:26 PM
Still insisting it has moved in transit, what a wally!

Oh well more cost to me


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on August 03, 2017, 06:53:25 PM
Surely you can make it yourself ,or at least modify it ?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on August 03, 2017, 08:26:28 PM
Surely, if it's ,moved in transit, that PROVES it's not fit for purpose!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 03, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
Yes going to modify it to what it should be.

It's so frustrating that when you point out the flaws to the guy who made it he's unable to man up and just goes on the defensive.

It's already been back to him for the first problems, i.e he made it too long and the diff wouldn't fit.

You pay good money to these people in good faith and they can't deliver. Very sad. Anyway will be good fun slagging him off.

Latest email from him is suggesting I have somehow faked the 6mm drill in the gap. Maybe it's only a 3mm drill bit with delusions of grandure


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 05, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
Sorry to harp on with this, but I don't want anyone else to go through this.

The fabricators latest get out clause is that the axle should not be parallel to the swing arm pivots!!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 05, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
What was his reasoning for that?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on August 05, 2017, 05:48:33 PM
has moved slightly in transit.

Only if the transit ran over it.

Err. Think you need to find a fabricator instead of the village idiot.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on August 05, 2017, 07:08:14 PM
Looking at that swing arm. it looks like if you bolt it to the axle it will pull the end back. as it looks like there is no strength at the ends. you will then be able to measure from the axle to the centre of the pivot points to see how far its out of parallel.   


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on August 05, 2017, 10:37:48 PM
Did you pay good money for it ? :o


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 06, 2017, 10:20:56 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. Always good to share the love!

He has finally realized the error of his ways. He has realized the Pan has an offset swing arm, and I should have told him this! To cap it all he has a Pan, maybe a quick look before warming up the welder? ;D

As I explained to him I am merely the monkey and he is supposed to be the organ grinder. Hence me going for a bolt on option.

Stinky I did pay good money, hoping to receive a good job.

He has now agreed to rectify it, and since he had concerns about transit, I have got myself a visit to Andover from Derby. Two fold thinking here, 1 - no damage or loss in transit & 2 - I can supervise if required.

On the plus side the swing arm conversion has now amassed more air miles than myself.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: hornet6 on August 06, 2017, 03:54:57 PM
As Mrhutch said earlier, the frame work does look a bit on the weak side. Is the guy who is doing the fabrication, run his own workshop or is it just something he does from home. Only asking as I have done bits and bobs for people myself, and have always made sure that they are happy with what has been produced. I work full time as a fabricator Tig welder, but like to do odd jobs in my spare time on bikes/trikes and anything else in between.   


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on August 07, 2017, 11:21:21 AM
Thanks for your post, Hornet6

He has a fab shop advertises these on line and came recommended by a fellow Manky Monkey.

My idea was once it was fitted and worked out where everything would go, I was going to add stiffening and triangulation to beef it up.

Now he has realized the swing arm is an offset one, I am going to try and find out the offset.

I think now frame is on bike I can take measurements.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 14, 2017, 05:34:09 PM
Finally got swing arm frame sorted, pics to follow.

Fitted to bike, rear axle assembled and bolted to frame and brake calipers, discs and wheels on.

I can move it, oh just realised I now need to sweep up. Oh look there's that thing I was looking for the other month!

Whilst the frame was being sorted, I took the opportunity to ready the fiberglass mudguards. Finished in Honda white and Halfords Lacquer, the dearer one. Goes on well. I used knock on edging in black, from evil bay, around the edge.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 15, 2017, 07:42:43 PM
Photos! :)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 16, 2017, 07:58:07 PM
Yes Sir Manky Monkey

From Cop bike to almost a trike


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 16, 2017, 08:01:14 PM
rsend


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 16, 2017, 08:08:30 PM
Side view


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 16, 2017, 08:23:22 PM
This is one of the calipers, I've had them so long that I couldn't remember where I got them or what they were off.

After the usual Google (other search engines are available) searches, I discovered they are from an Audi A4 96-02 variety. Also fit Passat 98-05 & Audi A6 98-04.



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 16, 2017, 08:28:23 PM
These calipers are readily available and at a reasonable price


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on September 16, 2017, 10:33:10 PM
That's a rather goodlooking trike!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 16, 2017, 10:55:07 PM
Thanks Biker Gran, That's very good of you to say.

Main thing is I'm really enjoying the build. Week away next week, so no progress.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 17, 2017, 08:48:04 AM
Got to agree. I'm not usually a fan of bike/trike conversions, but that sits rather nicely doesn't it.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 17, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
Thanks Andy.

I did a 650 Deauville last year and TBH this Pan is working out so much better.

I've got the prop parts to my engineer, so fingerers crossed he will get that done whilst I'm on me jolly. Be great to have it running.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on September 17, 2017, 11:47:31 AM
Got to agree. I'm not usually a fan of bike/trike conversions, but that sits rather nicely doesn't it.

That's what you always said about my Gertie - the common factor is the shortened axle, keeps everything in proportion!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 17, 2017, 01:23:02 PM
I've kept the axle to standard width, due mainly to access to the paniers.

I did shorten the axle on the Deauville, but the Pan is a lot wider to start with.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 17, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
A little more progress today, no rest for the wicked!

Exhausts fitted, bonus got away with using all pipework from the bike.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 17, 2017, 04:36:49 PM
Another view


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on September 18, 2017, 09:15:40 PM
I've kept the axle to standard width, due mainly to access to the paniers.

I did shorten the axle on the Deauville, but the Pan is a lot wider to start with.

Well the fact is it still looks all in proportion!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 19, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
That's the trick Bobbi.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on September 19, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
I remember once measuring the trike to find out why a ferry company wanted me to pay the same as a car, and Gertie was only a few inches wider than a fully loaded Goldwing bike!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 27, 2017, 04:09:55 PM
A bit more progress today.

Bargain handbrake cables arrived today, £5 each inc p&p from evilbay. Has it's uses.

Also delivered today, flexible hoses with banjo blot and seals, perhaps not strictly needed but just as cheap as buying all the fittings and seals to get me to the same point. £8 each inc p&p, again evilbay.

I've decided to move the exhaust. Going to fit one silencer in wheel well, coming out where number plate was. Dropping number plate and fitting a number plate light at lower position.

This should make a cleaner look and keep under the axle clear. Pic below as an example.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 27, 2017, 09:02:17 PM
That's a tidy solution.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 30, 2017, 02:48:03 AM
Here's my version with what I had to hand.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on January 14, 2018, 06:44:52 PM
After washing the car today, it was so dirty with all the salt Derby Council has been plying on the roads, I ventured down the garages.

It was so cold I didn't stay long at all, freezing, or is it me getting older?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 14, 2018, 07:26:00 PM
I feel your pain mate. I've now got small camping heaters in each lock-up garage. They run on butane cylinders & are enough to take the chill off. I've also insulated the roof of the Pop garage with loft lagging. Again, doesn't make it warm, but definitely takes the edge off the cold.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on January 15, 2018, 04:22:01 PM
The garages have a plasterboard ceiling with access, I think a layer of insulation and a heater is the way to go.

Will only need to insulate one for working in.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on January 19, 2018, 01:50:30 PM
Good sunny day here in Derby, light breeze so feeling less cold than of late.

I have two garages next to each other.

Moved the Deauville into one after a good tidy up, long over due.

Now trike resides ib it's own space, should have done this ages ago. Had a box trailer in one garage, so took up all the space. Trailer now sold.

Now realise I have only 2 jobs left on the trike, fit mudguards and connect wiring. I am well on with the bracket stays for the mudguards and the wiring is run to a terminal box near axle. happy days.

On the down side, I forgot to remove battery. This is now connected to my oxford in the house, hope it not too far gone.

Could be MOT time soon for the trike.






Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on February 03, 2018, 10:36:30 AM
Hi Paul
What size wheels and tyres did you use on your trike ?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on February 03, 2018, 01:24:11 PM
Hi Merv

I have 17" Rover MG ZR Alloys, they came with new tyres 205/45/17 which is 21.26" diameter ( engine revs may be too high ). However not having the trike on the road yet, I don't know how these will fair with the 'A' axle.3.23 ratio.

Using the calculator on here for tyre sizes etc, these tyres would be better suited to a 'B' axle. 2.78 ratio.

Final drive on the Pan is 2.8333

Early days on this subject for me.I used this site for calculations. http://www.advanced-ev.com/Calculators/TireSize
May be better with 15" rims and tyres, but I'm not sure. Anyone help? 195/45/15 tyres give a diameter of 21.91"

Best info on the web puts the Pan at 3652 rpm @ 70 mph which equates to a 20.82" diameter tyre, 3.23 ratio axle diff.
Nearest tyre I can find is a 195/45/15, which is 21.91" diameter.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on February 03, 2018, 04:54:33 PM
On my gl1000. final diff at 2.4. I ran 205/55/15 wheels and tyres with a 2/78 diff and the revs were low about 3000 at 70 and sluggish .  change to a 3.23 made a big difference on performance and ride 3600 at 70 rpm the throttle was more responsive

On the gl1500 final diff at 2.8 I ran 205/55/15 wheels and tyres with a 2.78 diff and the revs were 3100 at 70 again the rpm didn't seam right but went well.
I changed the diff to a 3/23 that brought the rpm up to 3.700 at 70 better throttle response and ride

on the jag axle 3.05 the rpm is 3500 at 70 it shifts for a 450+ kg trike


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on February 03, 2018, 06:55:26 PM
Hi Terry
I believe i have an A axle and Paul says the final drive on the pan is 2.8333, so on that information what wheel and tire size would you recommend


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on February 03, 2018, 07:31:39 PM
Again Merv that's not an easy one to answer.
as a bike the wheel size is all sorted by the manufacture. so on the pan the rear wheel is app 655mm diameter and the diff of 2.88.
So looking that a trike will have more drag with that extra wheel and to keep the revs up to suit will be is I don't know what size wheels to use ???

All I can say is on my 1500 which has the same final drive and very close gear ratios to the pan. I ran with a 3.23 reliant axle on 205/55/15 wheels with a 606mm diameter
and that rode and performed fine. so I would start with those sizes. some one may have a different opinion on wheel sizes and tyres 


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on February 03, 2018, 09:25:11 PM
Thanks for your reply Terry, i shall get some wheels from the scrap yard to get started before i get the final ones for the trike. at least then ill have wheels for it to sit on  :D. In the mean time i got enough to do sorting the swing arm  ;D. Meant to ask, are you able to make a bung for the prop ?.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on February 03, 2018, 10:37:52 PM
The difference in the calculator between Terry's 15" and my 17" is only 50 rpm, so pretty close.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on February 03, 2018, 11:48:44 PM
Hi Paul
Are you saying i should be alright with 15s because if so i already have a pair of  15s


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on February 04, 2018, 05:56:14 AM
I would use the 15s, especially if you have already got a pair.

It's not so much the rim size, but the outside diameter of the tyre. What ever size you have can be tweaked later, if necessary.

Don't forget to post your pics. We MM's need pics, some of us find reading words makes us heads hurt.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on February 04, 2018, 07:50:35 PM
Like Paul said as you have 15s use them.
Is this what  you want Merv


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on February 04, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
Hi Terry
Yes please


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on February 05, 2018, 09:21:18 AM
Hi Terry
Yes please
All done ready for you. do you want it posting or pickup for the monkey meet in May.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on February 05, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Hi Terry
Yes please
All done ready for you. do you want it posting or pickup for the monkey meet in May.

The last three post should be on your thread Merv not on Pauls ???


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on February 05, 2018, 12:39:05 PM
Always happy to accommodate visitors  ;D


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on February 05, 2018, 06:34:12 PM
Sorry  ;D
I'll give you a pm Terry


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on March 08, 2018, 10:20:04 AM
Hi Paul
Have you got any further with the trike, also would you have a link to where you got your rear calipers from also the hand brake cables


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 08, 2018, 05:54:59 PM
Hi Merv

I have been laid up with a horrible head cold for the last week, so no progress on the trike.

I only have the rear mudguards and wiring to rear lights to complete.

The calipers I have had that long that I can't remember much about them. I had them refurbished. painted and boxed up and put in storage.

I believe they are off a Passat, rather than a golf. The links to handbrake cables and flexible hoses were via ebay, but having checked, they have gone now.

I know, under normal circumstances, Passat cables are a lot more expensive than golfs.

You may be better looking at all golf parts, callipers, brackets, cables. Could be more cost effective for you. I was just lucky at the time I needed cable etc.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on March 08, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
Merv why don't you keep the reliant brake setup/ ???


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on March 08, 2018, 06:45:38 PM
Thanks paul, ill have to see what i can find. Hi Terry, to be honest i just like the look of the disc setup. Going back to my cortina days i never did like working on shoes


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on March 08, 2018, 10:13:50 PM
Did you use the original rear master cylinder for brakes Paul. and is it a linked system.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 08, 2018, 10:27:28 PM
upgraded to larger master to both rears and kept front as stock.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on March 09, 2018, 07:37:55 AM
I did wonder if you upgraded for  vw callipers . on mine I use a merc clutch master cylinder and kept the split brake system 2 rears and 1 front.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 09, 2018, 12:11:41 PM
Yes took the advice of the good fellow monkeys on here.

Was advised the original cylinder would be unlikely to serve VW calipers.

Also spoke to a very helpful guy at www.carbuildersolutions.com about rating for replacement cylinder, he suggested 3/4", and works very well.

Good web site and catalogue available (always like pictures), lots of useful tips and hints in there too.

I used the original Honda reservoir and seems to work well.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 09, 2018, 12:24:33 PM
Found these on ebay, item number  222788342127, they are from a Passat. Advertised as genuine vw 'fully refurbished' £60 the pair.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on March 09, 2018, 02:40:46 PM
Hi Paul,
found them, got them on watch at the moment, what did you do about the carriers


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 09, 2018, 08:20:59 PM
I had carriers with the calipers, one was correct the other the wrong type.

I got a new one of ebay, no longer able to access info that far back.

Think it was from a MK4 golf.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: scannerzer on March 09, 2018, 09:32:33 PM
new one are easily available through local motorfactors

https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/#market=gb&vehicleType=P&manufacturerId=121&modelId=4737&vehicleId=%7C15416%2CFront+Wheel+Drive+(11%2F00+-%3E+05%2F05%3B+101HP+%2F+74KW)%7C15418%2CFront+Wheel+Drive+(11%2F00+-%3E+05%2F05%3B+130HP+%2F+96KW)&variantId=15416&productGroupId=1009 (https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/#market=gb&vehicleType=P&manufacturerId=121&modelId=4737&vehicleId=%7C15416%2CFront+Wheel+Drive+(11%2F00+-%3E+05%2F05%3B+101HP+%2F+74KW)%7C15418%2CFront+Wheel+Drive+(11%2F00+-%3E+05%2F05%3B+130HP+%2F+96KW)&variantId=15416&productGroupId=1009)



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 10, 2018, 06:18:15 AM
Item number on ebay 251650580067


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 30, 2018, 04:43:11 PM
Fitted mudguards to trike today, when I came to wiring marker light and rear clusters ( all LED ), the tail & marker light flash when indicators used.

I think it may be something to do with hazard warnings being fitted.

Anyone come across this?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on March 30, 2018, 05:57:04 PM
Fitted mudguards to trike today, when I came to wiring marker light and rear clusters ( all LED ), the tail & marker light flash when indicators used.

I think it may be something to do with hazard warnings being fitted.

Anyone come across this?

Are you using a led relay for the indicators and a standard relay for the hazards?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 30, 2018, 06:12:31 PM
Terry, I am using standard relay.

How will I use all the original 4 filament bulbs for indicators on the trike plus led's on the mudguards?

Is it with a different relay?

Looking at my wiring diagram I have one relay with 3 terminals.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on March 30, 2018, 06:35:59 PM
Terry, I am using standard relay.

How will I use all the original 4 filament bulbs for indicators on the trike plus led's on the mudguards?

Is it with a different relay?

Looking at my wiring diagram I have one relay with 3 terminals.

You may have to change the 4 filament bulbs to leds.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 30, 2018, 06:40:46 PM
Just looking on the web, there is a replacement relay for a mixture of filament and led lamps.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on March 30, 2018, 06:45:30 PM
Just looking on the web, there is a replacement relay for a mixture of filament and led lamps.

Did you fit a hazard kit. or was it allready fitted.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 30, 2018, 06:46:20 PM
Already fitted.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on March 30, 2018, 06:48:49 PM
Already fitted.

The relay may work then.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 30, 2018, 06:49:49 PM
Yes worth a try will give them a call on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on March 30, 2018, 08:15:57 PM
I had an electrical problem on the trike and the bloke who was fixing it (me?  It's all smoke and mirrors to me!) said the hazards were wired up wrong, so he wired them up right and I had that very same problem!  Flashing light all over the place.

I thought there was a post on here somewhere about wiring hazards but I can't find it.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on March 30, 2018, 09:03:27 PM
Everything is working fine, but adding the new LED lights to the mudguards has made a bit more work.

One job leads to another. research on the WWW suggests a different relay should cure the issue.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 02, 2018, 12:04:45 PM
Well, having a bonus day off today, I work at the National Tram Museum at Critch in Derbyshire.

Closed today due to overnight snow.

Decided to have a look at indicator & hazard relays and check out my wiring.

I've used 7 core trailer cable to run from rear lights on bike to mudguards, via a adaptable box near the rear axle.

Silly me had got my negative colour mixed up. Now all connected the correct way, and no need for new relays or resistors. Result!

Sausage cob ( it's Derbyshire for bread roll ) and a cup of coffee to celebrate, well it is lunch time on a wet bank holiday.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on April 02, 2018, 03:40:40 PM
Those mudguards actually look quite good ..I may have to replace mine for the TEST ? ;D


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on April 02, 2018, 06:35:57 PM
That's good news


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 03, 2018, 08:22:23 AM
Thanks Stinkey, I wanted muddies that suited the look of the bike.

Few small jobs and test time.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 12, 2018, 05:13:33 PM
Fitted a steering damper today. Made it feel much better at slower speeds, even inflated the front tyre back to factory.

Adapted a VW Beetle steering damper. Pics to follow.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 16, 2018, 02:11:53 PM
The build is now finished.

Now for the horrible stuff.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 16, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
Nice! :)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on April 17, 2018, 07:04:04 AM
Looks very professional .. ;)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on April 17, 2018, 07:31:11 AM
The build is now finished.

Now for the horrible stuff.

That's easy just fill out the form get it mot and weighed take some photos. insure it pat for the tax. send it to dvla and Waite for about six weeks 


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 17, 2018, 01:55:56 PM
Oh, that sounds alright, thanks Terry.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 18, 2018, 09:38:29 AM
When using weighbridge will I need a ticket with the weight for a record?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on April 18, 2018, 11:32:56 AM
When using weighbridge will I need a ticket with the weight for a record?

Yes It should have date time and registration of the trike. you send that up with your paper work to dvla


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 18, 2018, 05:06:01 PM
Many thanks Terry.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on April 28, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
New exhaust ready for welding


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 02, 2018, 03:06:13 PM
As I near the completion of this project, I must be suffering from trikeitus (if there is such a thing).

For some inexplicable reason I tried to order seals for my exhaust system, mostly Black Widow.(down pipes, collector box & silencer)

I wanted the seals from downpipes to collector box, input side.

Rang Black Widow, a very nice lady explained that they stopped making the downpipes 12 months ago. However she would speak to a technician, who duly found the said items.

The seals were posted, and to my pleasant suprise, I received the seals, 2 stickers( not as nice as the MMM selection ) and a lanyard with there logo.

Great, I was actually wanting a lanyard. Took the seals down to the garages and slid a seal on to one of the downpipes, oh dear, did not fit.

38mm o/d downpipe and 43mm i/d seal. Oh well, I thought, we all make mistakes. Or had the downpipe size altered at some point in manufacturing run. Email to Black Widow.

At that point I got my digital vernier and measured the pipes (38mm) and the i/d of the collector box (39.5mm). Ooops, only a 1.5mm difference, exhaust paste all that's needed here.

Nice reply from Black Widow explaining I only need to use sealant on downpipe to collector, no problem. But why did they send me seals that don't exsist!!LOL.

Be warned fellow monkeys this crippling condition can, and does, strike at any moment of your build. I now sit rocking backwards and forwards, it comforts me but seems to upset those around me.








Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 02, 2018, 03:29:26 PM
 :P welcome to my World!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 05, 2018, 04:43:41 PM
Fitted exhaust today, complete with home made copper shims in the collector box followed by plenty of gun gum paste.

Lagged the pipework, well you don't want it getting cold in this weather do you?

What a job in this weather, should be a few pounds off.If only the wallet!



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 05, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
:) Nearly finished?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 13, 2018, 03:35:09 PM
Nearly there Andy, odd little bits left to do.

I was wondering if this reservoir from the bike will serve the two VW rear brake calipers, or will I need to fit a larger one.

It seems to be working fine, however I don't know the ins and outs of these.

Your views are always most welcome.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on May 13, 2018, 05:42:08 PM
It should be fine. I'm using the standard reservoir for the gl1500 on mine with no problems and that's feeding 3 callipers.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 13, 2018, 08:34:17 PM
Thanks Terry, good stuff, probably would have struggled to find the space for a bigger bottle.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 19, 2018, 10:08:36 AM
Well that time of year has finally arrived, on the scales.

370 Kg, no....not me the trike, I weigh far more!!!

£10 at my local scrap dealers for my copy of the public weigh bridge ticket. Free if you don't need a ticket.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 29, 2018, 09:54:04 AM
MOT passed today, yeah. Paperwork for DVLA next.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 29, 2018, 07:42:31 PM
Congratulations! That's a big step forward :)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on May 29, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
Indeed ..hopefully mine soon?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 29, 2018, 10:35:58 PM
Fingers crossed :)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on May 30, 2018, 06:20:40 AM
Did you drive it to the MOT centre old chap?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 30, 2018, 11:59:36 AM
No, I've got frame that fits onto tow bar and front wheel sits in, then ratchet strap in.

It tows well but tests the rear suspension.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on May 30, 2018, 10:19:01 PM
And the front end too ?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on May 31, 2018, 12:07:39 AM
Towing my trike up to scotland on the dolly didn't do much for the front suspension - I later discovered I only need to fasten the wheel to the dolly, rather than ratcheting the front down.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on May 31, 2018, 05:31:38 AM
Thanks for that info BG ;)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on May 31, 2018, 05:47:11 AM
Great news on the MOT.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on May 31, 2018, 07:15:23 AM
Thanks Olds, I'm chuffed, obviously.

Looking at fitting spring assisters to rear coil springs on car, hopefully should help with towing.

Yes BG only strap down wheel to dolly for towing. I use 2 straps, belt and braces approach.

Many thanks for all the encouragement and advise given, I really have appreciated it on the cold, long winter days in the garage.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on May 31, 2018, 08:35:14 AM
Why spring assisters ?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on May 31, 2018, 09:13:44 AM
You have to be careful with that type of towing device. your saying about fitting spring assisters on the car to help with the towing.
I would be more concerned about the nose weight on the tow bar and back of the car! 


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on May 31, 2018, 07:06:27 PM
Agree with Terry on this. Most modern cars have a very low tow bar/nose weight load rating. Typically between 50 to 75 kg.  My Jag XJ8 had a 0 kg limit !
https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/media/12354614/noseweights-mo__2_.pdf


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on May 31, 2018, 09:47:08 PM
Thanks for that info BG ;)

Even so I wouldn't recommend towing any distance like that - I got the dolly cos I ran out of time to find a trailer after I went to collect the one I'd been promised and it was a wreck with rotting wooden floorboards!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 21, 2018, 06:17:16 AM
Letter arrived from the DVLA yesterday, thanks to our great postman Tom, now asking for the fee for the road tax. Pre paid envelope included.

No problem with this, apart from I did contact them prior to sending all my paperwork and being told I need not tax the trike at this point.

At least I have not had to insure it yet, and will be able to get a full years use once insured.

Bless the DVLA and all who use them.





Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on June 21, 2018, 07:42:59 AM
Typical of DVLA.
The next letter will probably be about insurance as they shouldn't tax without it.
 I lost a month of tax and insurance waiting for them to issue a reg number.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on June 21, 2018, 12:15:34 PM
Think they make it up as they go along. :D



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: terry t on June 21, 2018, 03:14:08 PM
Typical of DVLA.
The next letter will probably be about insurance as they shouldn't tax without it.
 I lost a month of tax and insurance waiting for them to issue a reg number.


That's why I post dated my insurance and tax for the 1500. it gave the 5 weeks to sort out the paper work. and I could then ride on the 1st day the tax and insurance started.


Lost two months worth of tax and insurance. when I registered the 1000.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 06, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
Contacted DVLA Today, despite sending me a letter asking for payment for the road tax, they have now managed to loose all my submitted paperwork.

Now awaiting a manager to contact me. In this digital age why the hell are we still dealing with paperwork to this inept government quango?

To say I am a little bemused would be an under statement.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on July 06, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
Don't hold your breath waiting for a manager to contact you. DVLA seem to be quite adept at losing them as well.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 07, 2018, 05:10:59 AM
Yar, time to off load via fleebay.

If the DVLA was a private company it would have gone to the wall years ago.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on July 07, 2018, 06:31:44 AM
I'm surprised your surprised at their ineptness  ;D government depts are always years behind the real world? I'd ring them back if I was you sir?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on July 07, 2018, 06:37:08 AM
The paperwork will still be there, somewhere.
I expect the person you spoke to, couldn't be arsed to put in any real effort  into looking for it.
Happened to me. When I eventually managed to speak to someone who could give a damn, the paperwork was found and processed quickly. So quick she even told me over the phone what my reg. number would be.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 13, 2018, 10:26:32 AM
Well..... set your faces to stun...... ??? DVLA have finally found the paperwork, processed it and now showing as taxed and mot'd as a trike.

Oh and I collected my Birthday present....150 mile round trip from Derby to nearly Skegness, a 'B' axle. Usual standard, covered in diff oil and muck. Thanks honey, I think.

Now cleaned and stripped and in very good condition. Interestingly has the date stamped on the diff casing. Lets just say I was 19 when it was built, lol


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 13, 2018, 12:26:52 PM
Only 2 years old then?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 13, 2018, 12:37:31 PM
I've always liked you team leader.

How's the Big Apple?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 13, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
:) Just woken up after a very late night last night. 8.30am here & 85 degrees. Feeling knackered after a long day travelling yesterday, so might just have a day of mooching about around the city today. I want to across the water to Brooklyn. Haven't been there yet.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 13, 2018, 01:15:55 PM
Last time I was there I walked from hotel to Empire State Building to see it lit up at night time, probably half an hours walk.

Talking to a guy from New Jersey and his Jewish princess wife the following day at breakfast, he said 'you walked....what are you from Mars?'!

He was so funny, his wife said he gets the car out to go around the block.

All said in that fantastic New York accent. Often use the phrase myself.

Enjoy the stay, I have only fond memories of the state capital.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 13, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Road legal trike, just in time for the weather to break....thanks DVLA, we all love the work you do there (NOT!!)

Insurance via Whittlesey insurance Peterborough £250 for the both of us.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on July 13, 2018, 04:53:16 PM
I think it's obligatory for DVLA to lose the paperwork!  They lost mine for 3 weeks, and that was only getting in changed from bike to trike! (kept the original reg as it's a bolt-on).


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 15, 2018, 11:32:10 AM
Now the real work begins.....went out for a shake down ride yesterday evening, waited for it to cool down....both heat and traffic.

Petrol station was the first stop, very close to where I live, petrol gauge is not reading correctly. I put 20 quids worth of the good stuff in, the tank was near empty, and gauge is showing full. Think this will be more to do with sender rather than gauge.Then onto A6 heading North out of Derby. Drove for half an hour, got off to check visually.
Only one of the wheel centre caps dislodged, one of the plastic tangs needed altering and popped back in.

Turned around and headed for home, managed to dare to raise my speed a little. Finding it heavy turning into a bend, my wrist is aching today.

This is probably me not having rode a trike before, and the fact that I want to take it steady until I get used to it.
I am going to experiment with tyre pressures and see how it goes. Any advise on this welcome boys and girls. :)

Visual check when home, nothing missing or loose


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Stix on July 15, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
Easiest way to lighten the steering but not the cheapest is to fit raked yokes, another 5degrees makes the steering lighter but might drop the front a touch, I fitted 4inch longer stanchions to get the ride height how I wanted it, it does lessen the steering lock a bit so you might have to modify the bottom yoke to allow a bit more of a turn lock to lock.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 15, 2018, 03:01:36 PM
Hi Stix thanks for the advise.

Would I be able to keep the top position of the yoke the same and taper out from there? The offset would remain the same. The wheel would end up further forward.

With how the ST1100 is at the top of the forks there is no room to move anything.

Workshop manual has castor angle of 27deg30 min, and trail of 101mm or 4 inch.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on July 15, 2018, 03:19:39 PM
Hmm. Normally if raked yokes are used on trikes, it's to increase the rake because what you are trying to achieve is less trail.
Other ways to do this is to use yokes with more offset (distance from steering head shaft to tubes) or changing to leading axle forks.
 A small amount of reduction can be achieved by dropping the front and/or raising the back but this isn't likely to make a huge difference.
Most folk just fit wider bars and build up arm/wrist strength.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 15, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
Thanks Olds, back to the gym for me, when I say back....I mean return after 30 years. lol


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on July 15, 2018, 03:34:49 PM
 ;D
Take up blacksmithing. It's great for building arm strength.
My bars are 39" wide because the rake on my trike is over 40 degrees and despite the forward axle forks, the trail is excessive. This does mean that the trike steers arrow straight (even on roundabouts  :D)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 15, 2018, 04:58:38 PM
Dropped all tyre pressures, 19 psi on rears and 21 psi on front. Handling much better, plus I'm starting to get more used to the feel.

Think I am going to go for a side car tyre on front wheel, mainly for looks.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on July 15, 2018, 05:49:46 PM
Think I am going to go for a side car tyre on front wheel, mainly for looks.
A good idea and not only for looks. You should get more grip in the wet compared to a motorcycle tyre, because of the wider footprint and it shouldn't wear out as fast.
Check speed / load ratings and also that it can be front fitted, as some are marked for rear use.
Mine are 19" and I was going to use the Avon Triple Duty but ended up fitting a tyre made for vintage car racing.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on July 16, 2018, 07:40:04 PM
When I first rode my Kwak GT550 trike round our estate I came back in tears thinking 'I can't do this, it's just not possible'.   Then I realised that the builder had ridden it a few miles to deliver it, so it must be possible.  I juggled with tyre pressure and the air in the forks (lowered the pressure and eventually ended up letting all the air out of the forks).   After a while I didn't even notice - part of the problem is that a trike doesn't steer like a bike, you have to actively steer it - ie one arm pushes while the other one pulls.  Keep riding and after a while you'll wonder what the problem was.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 16, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
Thanks BG, you always say the right thing at the right time. Any chance of adoption? or is it too late for me?

Forgive my ignorance, when you say letting all the air out of the forks, does this mean replacing the air gap with fork oil? Or would this destroy fork seals?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on July 17, 2018, 06:02:39 AM
Like my Kawasaki forks I think that BG's  forks are designed to have air, at fairly low pressure pumped in to assist/adjust the springing. I too have let the air out of mine.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on July 17, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
Yup, what Olds said!

Quote
BG, you always say the right thing at the right time.
    :o :o :o   No-one has EVER said that about me before!   Usually the opposite!   Are you sure you're not thinking of someone else?  Don't answer that!

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 17, 2018, 04:20:59 PM
Thanks Olds, I did wonder but never had to deal with forks.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 18, 2018, 10:41:41 AM
Hi BG, you're not a convicted axe murderer are you?

If I'm going up for adoption I feel I should know these things. lol


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 18, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
Had the new front tyre that I ordered from Oponeo for 78 quid delivered by parcel farce, I mean force.

Tyre is a Metzeler 4.00 x 18 block K, can be used on front or rear and is described as for a side car combination.

Had a short test run with it, what a difference, it has made the steering much lighter. Much more contact with road, as it has a more car tyre profile ( virtually flat ). I guessed at 20 psi to start with and I shall experiment with pressure, but well worth the effort.



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 20, 2018, 08:22:03 AM
V5 finally arrived Wednesday.

Thanks again to Terry T for his advise with form filling etc.

On this occasion I did not need insurance but did need tax. Who knows what will happen on next project?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on July 20, 2018, 12:21:31 PM
That's good news Paul


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 20, 2018, 02:45:13 PM
Cheers Merv

How's the build going?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on July 20, 2018, 04:15:45 PM
A little slow at the moment


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on July 31, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
Stand by Merv, I'm looking at making my own raked triple trees for the 1100, watch this space.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: merv on July 31, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
That could be interesting, ill be looking forward to seeing this with interest 


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 21, 2018, 04:35:26 PM
Hi All

Got the trike back on the road today after completing the work to rake the front end by 5 degrees.

It has made such a difference, the steering feels much lighter and now goes round a bend without all the effort.

I altered the top and bottom yolks, pics to follow, and it has worked out well.

The front end has dropped, due to the front wheel moving forward, but looks and feels right when riding.

Many thanks to all who gave opinion and advise.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 23, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
Good few hours out on trike today, now steering round sweeping bends with one hand. Really no chance of doing this before altering the rake.



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: BikerGran on September 23, 2018, 06:35:46 PM
............


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 23, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Good news!
I always built my trike frames with around 45 degrees in the forks, purely because it looked right. They handled nicely with none of the head shaking that standard raked trikes are prone to, but were a little heavy to manoeuvre at carpark speed.
Any photos?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 03:56:00 AM
Here before paint and final assembly


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 04:01:16 AM
rotated view of same


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 04:05:09 AM
Modified bottom yolk


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 04:09:38 AM
Top yolk after machining out ready for insert to be welded in.
Had to remove the 4 rubber anti vibration bushes before welding aluminium insert. This was a bit of a pain. Used a hole saw to cut through rubber bush, then destroyed the steel cup that was left.

New bushes were priced at 50 quid, so being a good Northener, I bought another top tree for 10 quid and destroyed that to get the bushes out.Upon re assembly the bushes were smeared with oil and hammered home.

The insert was welded in on the top side and then hole machined at 5 degress along with machining to insert on underside.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 04:24:50 AM
I used the original bottom yolk and shaft, I ground away the weld holding the shaft to the yolk. Then knocked out the shaft from the yolk.
A steel bush was turned and bored before machining the bottom yolk, again at 5 degrees.

The shaft was then welded in, forks and yolks assembled and bottom yolk welded in place. All machining was undertaken by Martin Mycroft, Mycroft Engineering Long Eaton, and steel welding be Steve Dewis at Dewbar Fabrications of Ilkeston.
Aluminium welding by GIA Engineering, Stapleford.



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 04:41:25 AM
This kit from the good old US of A was quoted at $1000 + $150 postage, not sure if this included taxes. This was around 880 quid at the time of enquiry.
My costs were 170 pounds including all machining, welding and paints.
Don't get me wrong, the kit is might pretty and sparkly and all geometry has been worked out for you. But where's the fun in placing and order, opening a box when you can escape the everyday mundane and get your hands dirty. I know which I prefer.


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Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 04:49:07 AM
Fish supper to celebrate being able to steer without breaking into a sweat.

Look mum, I'm using a knife & fork!!!


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 04:54:47 AM
Profile of trike after raking. Front end has dropped slightly, but when my 18 stone bulk is on the trike it looks and feel right, also my feet engage with the ground better which makes reversing easier. I could alter front end height by adding extensions to the forks, but not sure I would gain much, if anything.

Again thanks for all your comments and thanks to Terry T & Olds for much appreciated advise along the way.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on September 25, 2018, 06:09:42 AM
Not seen welded yokes for years  ;) well done sir..I once saw a chopper built by a (now defunct ) well known custom shop..they had welded another headstock to the original one to achieve more rake (ooh ?)
It worked but looked terrible..I advised a plate to hide and strengthen it :o
My cousin turned up one day on his new ( home built by somebody else) chop..gorgeous bike..rode it for several weeks..then whilst parked outside another well known custom shop..has he went pull away..he heard a big crack ? And felt the bike drop..the frame had cracked at the top just in front of the headstock .. :o
Said chopper was duly manhandled into their workshop ,where he was given a quote of £11000  ???  To strip the bike down and repair/rebuild?? I told him ask again..£6000.. WTF  :-\ I rang the shop asking him to deliver the bike to me..turned out the builder hadn't fitted any type of support between the frame and headstock ..an hour later..I'd finished ..including some paint..he rode off happy but chickened out and sold it on ?


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Post by: Manky Monkey on September 25, 2018, 08:24:50 AM
That's a lovely job Pauly.


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Post by: BikerGran on September 25, 2018, 10:24:00 AM
It is!  Almost a pity it's hidden by the fairing!   It's a good looking trike though.  The only difference I found with the front end drop on having the extended yokes was that it makes the float in the fuel tank - and therefore the fuel gauge - unreliable.  Mine tends to show full for many miles then drop to empty - no problem, I just fill up soon after it drops.
Something to watch out for if you have a fuel gauge and if you tend to rely on it.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 11:11:25 AM
Thanks MM & BG, That's a good tip BG (adopted mum ), I will indeed watch out for how the gauge reads from now.

I now have a 2.78:1 ratio differential, which I will swap for the 3.23:1 at some point. For now I just want to ride it.



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: the coppersmith on September 25, 2018, 01:18:53 PM
Like the cut of your cloth old boy. Well thought out bit of old skool engineering. Great to find people still make things. Glad it all comes together well.  ;) ;)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 25, 2018, 01:39:12 PM
Thanks coppersmith so far so good.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: minimutly on September 25, 2018, 07:46:33 PM
Sorry paulywombats, but you're a braver man than me - I could trust a new bottom yoke from billet, but welding a cast steel item of unknown metalugical (is that a real word) quallities and hoping it will hold would be a step too far for me. It might be whoever did this has done loads before and tested enough to be sure, in which case all well and good.
All the best.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 26, 2018, 05:07:25 AM
Thanks for you comments Mini. You are of course quite correct, so with this in mind I've now added a couple of cable ties. Better to be safe than sorry.


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 26, 2018, 05:23:42 AM
Gaffer tape is the way forward :)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on September 26, 2018, 05:43:58 AM
Doh!, I bow to your superiority MM. Damn, why didn't I think to use gaffer tape? I'll get my coat...… (hangs head in shame)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on September 26, 2018, 06:29:34 AM
Doesn't anybody use wire coat hangers anymore ? ::)


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: Olds on September 26, 2018, 07:46:33 AM
Doesn't anybody use wire coat hangers anymore ? ::)
In these days of plastic, wire ones are getting harder to find and expensive, so tend only to be used on high end vintage lash ups and aerials.

Nicely done Pauly.

My trike has heavy steering as it was designed for raked girders which I didn't like the look of once I'd made them. But as I get older they may get fitted. That or leaf sprung, leading link forks. :-\



Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: stinkey on September 26, 2018, 08:57:22 AM
I must admit the steering on my trike is so light..with a tiny bit of wobble,as yet I've not tried the new wider tyre..still sorting out the front brake..( lack of funding  ;D) but feels like it's gripping when moving around the yard?


Title: Re: Paulywombats Honda St1100 Conversion
Post by: paulywombats on October 01, 2018, 05:20:53 AM
With a few hundred miles now added, I feel the revs are too high. Hopefully the 2.78:1 ratio diff will help.