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Title: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 02, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
Morning all, I have been negotiating a project. Unfortunately the old Gent has had a massive heart problem and its left me and him high and dry at present. The rolling chassis and body panels are in a lock up in Caterham, which I believe is South of the M25. I am down in Plymouth, in an attempt to help this guy move it (and me) I may need some muscle to help me shift this thing from an awkward position on to a truck or trailer. He assures me it is rolling, but has been stood on axle stands for 25 years ! Anyone live nearby who could spare me a couple of hours to load this. I haven't got a time or date yet, just trying to line my ducks up in a row first. I know, big mistake, but us monkeys are OK type chaps, and chapesses, tally ho  :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 02, 2017, 07:01:41 PM
Depending on the date, I'll come & give you a hand. I'm about 30 miles West of London. Got a week off from the 26th of June.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Baychimp on June 02, 2017, 10:56:57 PM
I might be able to help as well. As Andy said it depends on the date and if its mid week or at the weekend. If you are coming from Plymouth you have to pass by us.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 03, 2017, 06:56:53 PM
Just been speaking to the wife of the owner (who is very ill at present) and they would prefer a weekday due to the traffic at the weekend, prefer a Thursday if at all possible. So, could be the Thursday you are available Andy, if Baychimp could muster as well it would ensure all bases are covered  ;). So do I go ahead and plan it for then, I think its June29th. Bonus point: there is a Weatherspoons close by, so lunch could be on me, (as long as you all dont eat to much)  :o


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 03, 2017, 08:58:23 PM
Yeah, count me in.
I'm BayChimp's carer. The poor old codger doesn't get out much these days, (not since they changed the locks anyway).


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 08, 2017, 09:43:59 AM
just been sent this  :o


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 08, 2017, 12:55:02 PM
What on Earth is it? An early Caterham type thingy?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 08, 2017, 02:59:13 PM
yes near enough Andy, Before Caterham was born  ;D ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Baychimp on June 12, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
Yeah, count me in.
I'm BayChimp's carer. The poor old codger doesn't get out much these days, (not since they changed the locks anyway).


Yep checked the diary, nothing going on that day,so good to go. As long as Manky can lift me in and out of the vehicle,and there is somewhere to put my wheelchair. So just liaise with the Guvnor and he will tell me the plan.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 12, 2017, 07:04:18 AM
I will have a big box van, wheelchair on the tail lift, no worries  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 12, 2017, 12:07:16 PM
while waiting for the chassis etc. made a start on the wiring loom, what have I done????


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 12, 2017, 12:07:59 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 12, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
I don't even know what that is!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 12, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
that's wigglies, conduit for watts, pour it in one end and it should, maybe, come out the other. BUT, it rarely does , first time around  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Baychimp on June 12, 2017, 06:35:15 PM
Looks like a explosion in a Italian restaurant. :o


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: toad on June 12, 2017, 07:38:27 PM
I don't even know what that is!

Mazda Mx5  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Olds on June 12, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
I don't even know what that is!

Mazda Mx5  ;)
Certainly looks like the one in mine. ;) Hope you have the keys that are coded to the ECU.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Iceman on June 12, 2017, 09:54:18 PM
just been sent this  :o
Hello Chums,
I think that this is a Maserati 'Birdcage' from the 1950's worth mega bucks! Either that or it might be a 'Kilo' which was a Morris Minor based kit car from about 1980. It certainly has moggy front suspension and steering.
Cheers,
Tom.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 12, 2017, 10:01:18 PM
A kilo? I thought you meant that's the scrap value! :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Iceman on June 13, 2017, 05:13:05 AM
Ahh,but where there's muck there's brass....... ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Olds on June 13, 2017, 05:52:53 AM
If fitting that twin cam you may want to upgrade those brakes a little bit. :D Does it have a suitable logbook ?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 13, 2017, 07:35:06 AM
Hi, yes all registered, log booked and vin plated. Hence my enthusiasm to grab and restore. Front suspension is bolt on and will soon be consigned to the bin. It should have Triumph Spitfire front end which by all accounts is in the spares box, along with all the body panels etc.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 28, 2017, 02:36:02 PM
OK, The truck is here, all ducks all lined up in a row, monkeys on standby, sat nav programmed, camera on charge, what could possibly go wrong  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on June 28, 2017, 03:54:25 PM
Everything  ::)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 28, 2017, 04:03:36 PM
Baychimp & I are standby Monkeys -we're not called Manky for nothing you know :) 


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 28, 2017, 04:05:26 PM
my wife has just quipped "ah, 3 monkeys in a cab, there is a tale of 3 monkeys" and walked away ?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 28, 2017, 04:08:15 PM
 :P We'll be a motorised version of Last of the Summer wine! :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Baychimp on June 28, 2017, 08:59:01 PM
I haven't got a Tail. :'(


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 30, 2017, 05:01:45 AM
Hope you got safely home Steve & hope I haven't given you my cold!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 30, 2017, 07:52:40 AM
many thanks to Andy and Bob yesterday for their help in getting the "project" home. Twas a long day for me, but got home and off loaded just in time for tea  ;) Andy was a bit quiet, I was a bit deaf(er) so we nearly had the 3 monkeys in the cab, Hear no, speak no, good job Bob could see OK though. Better then Sat Nav  :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 30, 2017, 07:54:02 AM
safely stored overnight in the man cave, now to make some room and tidy up  :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 30, 2017, 10:57:31 AM
Rubba, dub dub, monkeys in the tub. Scrubs up nice  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 30, 2017, 10:58:10 AM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 30, 2017, 10:58:44 AM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 30, 2017, 12:53:46 PM
its a start !


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on June 30, 2017, 04:13:17 PM
So what is it - a sylva or something?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 30, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
Its a very early Dutton B type. This one has a Midget back axle with 4 link and coil over suspension, and a strange Morris 1000 front end set up, which is non standard, should be Triumph Spitfire/herald. The draw of it is the very low chassis number and its also tax free being 1974. The fibreglass is in very good nick for its age with hardly any stress marks or crazing. The chassis is all 1" box section and is brazed not welded. That will get some extra bracing and support to handle the MX5 engine and box. I intend to build my own front wishbones and have not yet decided on the rear set up. The car originally had a 948cc motor and box. Its going to be a long build but I think it will be worth it just for me to keep active and my hands on my tools type thing.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 30, 2017, 10:22:46 PM
That's cleaned up suprisingly well hasn't it!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Baychimp on June 30, 2017, 11:31:47 PM
At this rate it should be done in 6 months.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on July 01, 2017, 08:05:48 AM
How did you get the car to levitate ? Amazing  ???


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 01, 2017, 08:24:09 AM
its all in the magic fingers, just like that  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 04, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
done a bit of graft out in the sun and now I have a bare chassis ready for some triangulation  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 04, 2017, 07:40:05 PM
rear axle gone, ready for a big clean up and welding the original joins are all brazed, so I may do the same, its been there since 74 :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on July 05, 2017, 12:10:32 AM
Looks like much of the "suspension" was done by the chasis? On the brazing point, I believe all race cars were built this way untill the 70s or so..


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Olds on July 05, 2017, 06:23:55 AM
Think all early Dutton B frames were Bronze welded as are Ariel Atom frames today.
Great progress.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on July 05, 2017, 06:43:14 AM
I'm amazed at that CHASSIS ? Basic comes to mind ? Looks one step up from wooden ones ? Mind you I've seen some dam good ones made from wood..I'd be looking to add some strength into it with some more braces/gussets (with holes obviously  ;D) and a brake upgrade for sure..looking forward to this build up


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 05, 2017, 08:20:27 AM
Been a few years since I TIG bronzed, so a few practice pieces will be sorted, plus I have no bronze rods on the shelf. Here is a "replica" Lotus 7 chassis I built for a French customer, notice the left hand drive rack. Looks similar in the bracing department.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 05, 2017, 08:22:45 AM
here is the latest chassis I built, far better, and I intend to follow on and try to add the strength without to much weight. I can actually carry the old chassis  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 05, 2017, 01:11:00 PM
here is one I built earlier, as they say on Blue Peter etc.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 05, 2017, 01:20:27 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: morrag on July 05, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
Mr C, Colin Chapman would be proud of you............


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on July 05, 2017, 07:55:40 PM
Who made /modified the steering rack ( narrowed it ?)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 06, 2017, 07:18:18 AM
power racks of Callington, Cornwall, done the rack 2.0 turns lock to lock. they used to supply me with all the LHD racks, now they specialise in power steering racks, re con them etc.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 07, 2017, 08:02:48 AM
6 hours in the blazing sun with a knotted wire brush in the trusty angry grinder, I'm getting there, slowly  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on July 07, 2017, 08:36:21 AM
power racks of Callington, Cornwall, done the rack 2.0 turns lock to lock. they used to supply me with all the LHD racks, now they specialise in power steering racks, re con them etc.
Cheers for that ? ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 08, 2017, 12:50:27 PM
Just been talking to the steering rack guy, The Lotus racks are cut down Morris thousand racks, seems they are easy to cut and shut. I have 2 here, I will have to investigate  ;) maybe drill a few holes !!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: morrag on July 08, 2017, 02:10:59 PM
..what else.....


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 28, 2017, 07:48:19 AM
Decided to weld up a few of the drilled holes in the chassis, sorry Stinkey ;D, most were for the aluminium sheets that cover the floor and sides. I counted to 250 and then carried on. I'm now making brackets for the 5 link rear suspension, axle location stuff. Nothing worth a look so no piccies at present. I am now getting a feel for this rebuild so will move it across to the build section, some early bits will be repeated. My great grandson has named it the "red rooster" cause it was red and sat on a perch when he visited. Seems logic to me  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on July 28, 2017, 05:54:57 PM
Well those holes will be with you in spirit ::)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 01, 2017, 09:52:46 AM
Been sat in the sun (when its out) pair of shorts and a paint brush, just testing and tidying as I go.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 01, 2017, 09:53:22 AM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 01, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 08, 2017, 07:14:44 PM
Been Tig brazing the chassis for the 4 links off the rear axle. Panhard rod will be fitted once car is on its wheels and squared off


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 08, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 08, 2017, 07:16:33 PM
The links are parallel, but for some reason look pi**ed in the picture.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 08, 2017, 07:20:39 PM
And now I've started fabricating the front wishbones. MX5 vented disc, upright and ball joints adapted to Triumph Spitfire wishbones. WHY? because that is what the chassis is set up for, and the MX5 stuff is far cheaper and readily available, unlike the Triumph stuff, which nowadyas is of dubious standard (imported). I suppose the MX5 is Jap  ???


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 08, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
I'm pleased with how this has came out, I just need a weld set now, I will tack it with my TIG and hope they can repair my MIG.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 08, 2017, 07:23:18 PM
still need to trim and file and deburr, but you get the picture  :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on August 08, 2017, 09:04:10 PM
The links are parallel, but for some reason look pi**ed in the picture.
Being such a short person it's probably best you get some steps to take your pics ? ::)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on August 08, 2017, 09:07:15 PM
And now I've started fabricating the front wishbones. MX5 vented disc, upright and ball joints adapted to Triumph Spitfire wishbones. WHY? because that is what the chassis is set up for, and the MX5 stuff is far cheaper and readily available, unlike the Triumph stuff, which nowadyas is of dubious standard (imported). I suppose the MX5 is Jap  ???
Blooming herald ball joints dam near killed me in a nasty failure once..dam good idea sir ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 08, 2017, 09:28:18 PM
Nice work Steve :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 17, 2017, 03:16:17 PM
noticed a slight twist in the chassis, front off side diving about 8 mm. With a handsaw I opened the upright and this sprung open, no more twist, have started to effect a repair, may just put in the correct length rail when I start the front suspension set up (next week)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on August 17, 2017, 04:34:43 PM
Did you buy those uprights new? If so could you recommend them? (Reverse trike idea still there in my mind, not going away).
Thanks


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 17, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
I bought a complete MX5 and stripped the suspension, engine and box, wiring loom etc. I had the parts grit blasted and then sprayed with silverene paint. MX5 front ends are cheap and readily available from scrappies or Evil Bay. I am surprised how heavy it all is when built.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 21, 2017, 07:14:01 PM
got a bit further, however ! I am a bit concerned about the ball joint angles, what is our view on it? remember nothing is bolted up solid yet, so is movable, ell, a bit any way  :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: morrag on August 21, 2017, 07:26:15 PM
It will depend on what caster/camber and front loading you are intending Mr.C but there are some useful dims to be found on the Locost builders site, as they tend to use the same uprights. I usually to stick with what is generally acceptable for a Mk.4/5 Spitfire in such instances, but provided you are not too near the ball joint edge................. Morrag


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on August 21, 2017, 08:55:09 PM
The balljoint edge is key - set it up as you have it at std ride height, remove the shock and swing it through max droop to full rebound, plus a bit. Then do it at full lock. Taking off the gaiters can help to see. If you need to you can tweek the balljoint angles at the arms before welding.
Thanks for the info on the hubs.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on August 21, 2017, 09:48:58 PM
I'd definitely modify /lower the ball joint mounting point..


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 22, 2017, 11:40:01 AM
Pulled it to bits and set it up at eye level, this is the lower ball joint, I fixed it to some decking mounted in the vice and got it level


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 22, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Then. I set it up as it will be in the car and mounted the hub and brake. For this I set the camber as zero. The middle of the ball joint is then at a 70 degree angle.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 22, 2017, 11:47:11 AM
then I moved the joint out as far as it go. Then in as far as it would go. Took all the angles and set it up mid point which is 85 degrees. This results in needing a spacer under the arm of the ball joint of 15mm. Or if I want to start with some negative I could shave it down a mill. or so. Glad I took this on and shared with you guys. Now it is nowhere near the "edge" I can get 15 degree positive and negative, so should be fine now  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 22, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
then this : 


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on August 22, 2017, 04:57:52 PM
Are those points the pivot points (middle of the  balljoint), or on a line allong the end of the arms? The correct one is the balljoint middle. I deally i would like to see some slope downward in the bottom arm or what would effectively bee the bottom arm in your drawing. More and more car makers have moved the balljoint down into the arm (remember the mini/1100 where the balljoint was in the hub?) i would think you have too much camber, 2 degrees would be max.
You are in the really complicated field of roll centres, scrub, wheel offset, and even bump steer once you get to rack width and height. Books have been written on it, but I would try to replicate the mazda as close as possible, since thats your hub


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 23, 2017, 03:34:27 PM
yes they are centre of pivot. I was always told to keep the lower wishbone horizontal and the top slightly up when sat at rest. The 4 degree camber is a cock up. Unfortunately I cannot get a copy to allow the movement to be shown. It drops and rises and does not change the camber at all. This is all fiddling at present and nothing is hard and true. My next problem is trying to fix the dampers to allow for the weight of the engine etc. to get 50/50 split. I'm enjoying the challenge. Then on to the rack and bump steer. 


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 24, 2017, 07:30:46 PM
Big day at the coal face with a borrowed welder  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 24, 2017, 07:31:33 PM
Rolling, rolling,


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 24, 2017, 11:16:36 PM
Wow! You'd never believe that's the rusty old heap we helped you pick up just a few weeks ago! Nice work Sir.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on August 24, 2017, 11:57:53 PM
Looking cool


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 25, 2017, 07:45:35 AM
I have a mate who knew someone who was grit blasting an old building, dropped the chassis off to him. One hour later, all done for beer tokens, quick coat of Silverene to protect it and onwards.  4 corners now finished except the suspension, trying to work out how to preload it to guesstimate the position. Having a quiet day today rebuilding master cylinder and pedal box, stood at the bench in the sun 


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 25, 2017, 08:42:33 AM
 ;D I can imagine you "accidentally" parking it in front of the building while he blasted!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 25, 2017, 09:20:32 AM
It was on the roof rack of the Saab driving through Plymouth that was worrying, Bit of rope, it will be fine, arm out the window, praying that the law will forgive me.  :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 25, 2017, 09:53:16 AM
 :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: merv on August 25, 2017, 08:41:57 PM
Looking good


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 25, 2017, 10:28:56 PM
Saw these in Newbury, Berkshire when I was dropping off parts at the powder-coaters & thought of you :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 25, 2017, 10:29:25 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 29, 2017, 09:34:20 AM
Bank holiday Monday, And I've had a big failure of the Dolomite sprint powered Dutton. Sat in the middle of Dartmoor waiting 5 hours for recovery. At least it was hot and sunny  :D  The good thing is how many people just slowed and asked if we, the wife and I, were OK while waiting for the rescue. Faith in human nature restored  ;) Anyway all home late last evening and it seems the electronic module I fitted for reliability over points and condenser has collapsed, Uhm !


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 29, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Bugger -but at least you know what the problem is.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 02, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
Any one help? having a bit of a disagreement with DVLA. They are refusing to issue me with the log book for the old car I rescued. The old guy I got it from, has sent the V5 to DVLA with my name etc. and gave me the bottom bit. DVLA asked for photo's of the chassis number and the car registration number to "update" their records. Now they are saying because the car was not a complete car, no engine or box, they cannot issue a V5. When its built they will inspect it and issue a registration document. But, they will not confirm f I will get the same registration plate. Or even an age related plate. Bit miffed at present  :(


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: paulywombats on September 02, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
I don't think you have much redress from your situation.

I would bombard them with your opinion in a positive way. Make your argument and make it precise and to the point.

It will probably take a lot of phone conversations, ask a lot of question until you get to the right person. At that point put everything in writing addressed to them, and cross everything.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Olds on September 02, 2017, 11:16:14 AM
Never a good idea to let them know it's not a complete car when sending in the V5.
If they will let you get away with just an inspection, think yourself lucky that it's not IVA they want.
I hope you have kept receipts for the engine gearbox etc just in case they ask for them.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 02, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
Kev, ("Kapri")'s the chap to talk to about this. It's not just your car Steve, but all "specials", customs & imports that don't tick the usual boxes. Bloody annoying I'm sure, but I can kinda understand them wanting to sort out all the vague or downright dodgy registrations now that everything can be easily tracked by computer. They can get a much clearer picture of what's actually out there on the roads now.
Kev hasn't called in here for a little while, but he's set up a FaceBook page called The Continuum to deal with all registration issues. It's a closed group, so you need to ask to join, but worth it for the pooled information that's there.
 


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 02, 2017, 02:32:35 PM
thanks for that Andy, I also mentioned it on a kit car forum, whole bag of worms has surfaced, sort of confirming that you are right. Seems it is because it is incomplete and not ran since 1982, pre sorn days! However there is a chap in the Dutton club who has "contacts" within DVLA. So lets see what he throws up, its not like I'm in a hurry, at least 12 months to go yet.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on September 02, 2017, 04:28:15 PM
Yes dvla (big brother ) is watching everything now..one reason I've stopped putting up pics :-\


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 03, 2017, 07:16:23 AM
When we put my Pop through the SVA test back in 2013 I dealt with a really helpful woman at the Wimbledon DVLA office. We chatted quite a bit during several visits to fill out paperwork & she told me she often visited car forums cos she was genuinely interested in vehicles. Said she read all sorts of mis information & outright admissions of regulation breaking but her bosses told her she wasn't allowed to comment on anything she read.
So they know what goes on.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on September 03, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
Can you imagine how helpful (and easy for the dvla) it would be if they had their own website /forum with questions and answers plus pictures to show us what's the correct way ?
But I suspect they don't know half the time anyway ? Judging by their record so far ?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 24, 2017, 01:15:54 PM
I'm back !! took a 3 week break to the Algarve, have a mate out there, so not to expensive. No phone, no internet, no TV and I didn't even buy a paper. Wall to wall sunshine, lowest temp was 26, highest 33. Totally chilled. I swam, drank local wine, walked for miles, ate loads of shell fish and slept. Colour of an old sideboard now and thought I was ready to kick the world again. Came home to rain and doom and gloom, did I really just come back ??


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 24, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
 :D Welcome home.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 30, 2017, 09:08:18 AM
Bit of a trial fit of the bodywork, the back wheels over hang the wings and the front ones do not fit the clamshell wings. Things to sort later. Hope today to get the shocks and springs all welded up, if the rain holds off.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 30, 2017, 09:09:27 AM
did you notice the wooden shockers on the front? they dont work  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: morrag on September 30, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
'Course they will, just change the oak for a piece of ash or Yew, to soften things up a bit.... ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 30, 2017, 07:33:14 PM
rear shocks ty-wrapped in place, that'll do nicely ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 30, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
notice the steering rack (blue) the real one don't fit. So a "trolley" set up was called for to move it forward and back  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 03, 2017, 11:35:32 AM
This is the look I think I'm after, low at the front, not certain what to do with the grill opening.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 03, 2017, 11:37:40 AM
Trial engine fit (lifted the car over the engine) having to weld some extra bits in to take the engine mounts.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 03, 2017, 11:39:35 AM
AH! slight alignment problem, crossmember holds the gearbox a tad high  ;D all sent to try us I suppose ???


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 03, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
Love that front end look. Very sporty.
An amazing transformation from the poor beast we dragged out of that lock-up. Well done. :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: BikerGran on October 04, 2017, 08:29:42 PM
not certain what to do with the grill opening.

This is the front of my nephew's A7 special - not really a suggestion but thought I'd post it as it's a bit different....



Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 04, 2017, 08:31:29 PM
I like that.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 06, 2017, 11:34:37 AM
summers back  :D Finished fabricating and welding all the suspension mounts, I now have a rolling chassis unhindered and free to roll around. Still a lot to fabricate and fit but if its dry I can work outside which I prefer to artificial lights. So, here is the posse  ;D red one trying to get out on this lovely morning.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 06, 2017, 11:35:44 AM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 06, 2017, 11:36:42 AM
I'm hoping to use these projector headlights, have to make a couple of shells


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 06, 2017, 01:44:40 PM
There's a guy on FaceBook called Ifan Miller who made a pair of long teardrop shells in fibreglass for his hotrod. Might suit yours?
Just checked with him. 70 quid a pair in fibreglass. He says Google E & J headlamps.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 06, 2017, 07:44:57 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 19, 2017, 01:34:26 PM
Been a bit of a trial this past week. I welded up the new crossbrace only to find I needed space for the gearbox mount. So out came the big angry grinder and took a slice out. Then added 2 new rails and the gearbox sits very nice in the space :) Engine and box are now leveled in place sitting on timber supports. I have 75mm ground clearance to the sump, loaded with the wife and I. Next is to make up some engine mounts and gearbox mount. I may try to take 30 mm off the sump and add a few wings to increase capacity, however the bell housing is as low as the sump and until I pull it all apart again I don't know if I can remove the bottom of the bell housing as well. The next issue is the inlet plenum it is rather large for the bonnet and despite ideas from "Mendalot" I have yet to decide what to do with it. (I have a new set of bike carbs looking for a home, but think the injection would be better left as it is.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 19, 2017, 01:35:31 PM
The new, new, mk2 strengtheners.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 19, 2017, 01:37:40 PM
that's all folk  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 19, 2017, 04:47:27 PM
That looks a snug fit :)
Nice.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 24, 2017, 12:12:17 PM
Took a break from the old worldie car and decided to help my son with his tuned Saab, water pump leaking. What a nightmare! everything crammed in on top of one another. 3 hours to get the pump out! I'm cream crackered and have to try and get it all back together yet  ;D ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 24, 2017, 12:38:48 PM
 ;D Modern cars really aren't designed for home maintenance are they -or any maintenance -just scrap it & buy another one Sir.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: morrag on October 24, 2017, 03:52:00 PM
Don't get me started, I have a door lock to change on my son's new style Beetle, what a nightmare, and that's just thinking about it!! the bloody lock is £190, alone, and labour charges, well it's think of a number time. My own modern "daily", well I don't even know where the bonnet catch is, and I have no intention of looking! :D :D..Morrag


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 27, 2017, 08:21:22 AM
another problem has raised its head. So, I've taken a break and enjoying the dry spell. Helped a friend to rescue another rare Dutton, think I've started a trend in Dutton land. This one is now safe in Cornwall. Rare back bodywork and running knock on wires Triumph Spitfire front and back axles. I'm a tad envious, I could do things with that one.  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on October 27, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
So how does this work with the new rules and regulations with MOTs ?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 27, 2017, 10:12:55 AM
the car is registered as a Dutton Malaga and the V5c states the correct engine and chassis number. So its all legit, hence no problem with the MOT or DVLA. Saying that, I'm still hassling them for my registration documents. But after paying them a visit I now know where I stand and what hoops I have to jump through to satisfy them its not a clone.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on October 27, 2017, 11:43:03 AM
But are you not changing the engine ?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 27, 2017, 01:03:20 PM
changing the engine? that does not apply here, we are not going for MOT free status. And in the it car 8 point rule the engine only counts as 1 point. I think :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on October 27, 2017, 04:28:23 PM
All rather confusing to me ? ::)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Olds on October 28, 2017, 07:52:01 AM
The 8 point system-

Part   Points
Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer)   5
Suspension (front and back) - original   2
Axles (both) - original     2
Transmission - original  2
Steering assembly - original  2
Engine - original     1

5 points MUST come from the UNMODIFIED chassis, monocoque or frame.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on October 28, 2017, 07:57:24 AM
Most of the cars I've hot rodded over the years wouldn't have kept many points then ? :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Olds on October 28, 2017, 08:12:06 AM
Same applies to bikes.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 28, 2017, 08:31:37 AM
I was talking to someone last evening about this, he has gone through the hoops and now has a registration document. HOWEVER! he bought the car with a V5 and a chassis number (as I did) he rebuilt it only to find this registration has been used elsewhere. Long story shortened, he lost the registration and had to be inspected by the official of the owners club plus some other official for DVLA. On inspection they were satisfied with the car and he got an age related plate to the newest major component. In his case this was a Zetec engine from an old Mondeo. So no tax free status for him, (or me if this happens) >:(


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 29, 2017, 05:19:06 PM
so, I bought some bits, stored them in a safe place until needed, (you know whats coming don't you ;D) and today decided to start fitting the bits, yep you are right, I cannot find them, even been in the loft turning out, bet I find them tomorrow in front of my eyes. Bit miffed  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 30, 2017, 09:31:04 AM
seeing the weather has brightened up seemed odd not to give them some fresh air


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 30, 2017, 07:46:14 PM
Nice :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on October 31, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
Must admit I've never been a fan,but they are growing on me and so simple to build,Who knew ? ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on October 31, 2017, 10:43:03 AM
one day a nice rod will come along and light my fire, float my boat, whatever. Andy's pop would do me. I'm a bit long in the tooth to start again so the red one will be an "altered image" bit of a T type kit car, maybe  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: morrag on October 31, 2017, 08:41:11 PM
I suspect the buggers are breeding "C", for decency sake, you need to keep 'em appart ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on November 01, 2017, 08:32:35 AM
one day a nice rod will come along and light my fire, float my boat, whatever. Andy's pop would do me. I'm a bit long in the tooth to start again so the red one will be an "altered image" bit of a T type kit car, maybe  ;)
me likes Altered..such a nice word..if I was building another motor,I'd be pushing these poxy rules and regs to the limit ::)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on November 16, 2017, 03:34:11 PM
Not much progress on the build front. Been a bit down, seasonal disorder or something. However got into repairing a Dellorto carb for a friend, it needed a bit of welding and seemed to kick start my enthusiasm a tad. So I've been making brackets for this that and the other, my pet hate is bracket making, but slowly getting there, where I'm not to sure some days, but about to fire up the trusty welder and stick the said boring brackets to the chassis in hopefully the relevant place. Then have to strip it all down for painting and whatever. No pictures I'm afraid, the camera is dead, unlikely to be repaired, maybe some man with a beard will bring me a new one  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 16, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
Not me :)
Actually, I've got a Nikon ....D60? Can't remember the model number. It has a plastic cog that operates the shutter that's worn -apparently a common fault. Otherwise it's fine & I've got a couple of lenses for it too. Spares are available & it's a home-repairable job, but I've moved on to using my SmartPhone for photos now -just so much more convenient for snapshots. So if you, or anyone else, wants it for repair you're welcome to it.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 16, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
In reply to your PM Steve, here ya go.

Nikon D60,
battery & charger,
plus Nikkor 18 - 55mm & Tamron 55 - 200mm lenses.

In the spirit of Mankiness, Merv very kindly gave me his old camera a couple of years ago when I needed one, so this is me paying that forward by passing on mine.
Yours for the cost of the postage :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 16, 2017, 10:15:00 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on November 23, 2017, 02:26:00 PM
back on the car, I flipped it 90 degrees to save crawling around trying to weld uphill  ;D Hopefully its all finished and I can begin to think about building the thing now.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on December 16, 2017, 06:08:19 PM
I've had a bit of a tidy up, ready for an assault in the new year (hope its a bit warmer). Pleased with it so far. Stripped the engine and found it in good fettle.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 16, 2017, 06:15:47 PM
Can't believe how good that looks Steve. :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on December 16, 2017, 06:16:47 PM
Thanks Andy, it must be this new Hybrid camera  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 16, 2017, 07:15:25 PM
 :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on December 30, 2017, 12:01:52 PM
I'm painting the inside bare blocks of the garage with masonry paint, seems to be taking for ever. Then new uprated electrics with LED lights. Should see my days out then  :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 30, 2017, 02:48:48 PM
Ha! Same here -putting a 2nd coat of masonry paint on my new lock-up as we speak!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: BikerGran on December 30, 2017, 08:20:46 PM
Now I've seen what a difference it makes I wish I'd done that to my garage years ago!  Don't need to now as I don't do spannering any more.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 30, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Definitely worth doing.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on January 22, 2018, 12:32:16 PM
Finally found some interest to move forward with the red rooster. Pulled the engine to bits to get the alloy parts blasted clean. Japs are cunning though, 12mm socket for 8mm bolts, then a few 13 thrown in for the brackets. It seems all the 12's are fine thread into the engine. Kept going and just hope I can remember where it all goes ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: BikerGran on January 22, 2018, 05:17:35 PM
just hope I can remember where it all goes
I used to use small sanwich or freezer bags and a marker pen.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on January 30, 2018, 11:31:54 AM
Nipped down to Halfrauds to get some Jizer and the van oil light came on, then it stopped, the van that is. Went to restart, dead as a parrot! Called the recovery man, seems my battery just died, checked out the electrics, all appears OK. Very expensive tin of Jizer, came with a free battery  ;D  Pleased to say all is now normal...............I hope. Bought the battery in Scarborough last time it died, seems that may have been 10 years back, is nothing built to last anymore :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 30, 2018, 12:54:20 PM
 :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: merv on January 30, 2018, 05:21:26 PM
 :D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: BikerGran on January 30, 2018, 05:30:12 PM
I guess that was rather less expensive than if the oil light came on because you lost the oil............   ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Baychimp on January 30, 2018, 08:58:48 PM
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 10, 2018, 01:07:45 PM
Back on the rooster  ;D Engine and box all positioned, and mounts welded and bolted in place.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 10, 2018, 01:13:15 PM
Then onto the prop, quick measure, take a hacksaw and cut square  ;D OK, cut and file square  ;) All looking good so a few tacks and offer the thing up!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 10, 2018, 01:16:14 PM
Then crank up the stick/Tig set and stick weld the bu**er up. Its a hybrid prop, MX5 front, Austin Healey rear. So, that has to be balanced, smuggled to a mate who works where I used to work and will be on the balancer tonight  ;) Rabbit  8)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 10, 2018, 01:17:00 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 10, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
So, most of the heavy stuff out the way. Made some brackets and straps and fitted the refurbed fuel tank. Next will be the fuel lines and brake pipes, and then quite possibly the rear section of bodywork, fingers well and truly crossed.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 10, 2018, 02:34:11 PM
Looking good Steve. Nice to see it going back together.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 10, 2018, 03:22:04 PM
I know how you feel now Andy, but I'm starting to get the feel for it now  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Olds on April 16, 2018, 07:51:12 AM
Nice progress. PM sent.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 17, 2018, 10:01:27 AM
Being merely human  :o I have welded the prop 90 degree out  ::) Many thanks for all the replies. I feel a bit Stoopid ! Angry grinder is out and ready


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on April 17, 2018, 01:11:35 PM
I was going to mention it ;D but I'm in the clear..not like I've ever done that ? ::)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 17, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
 :P :P


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on April 17, 2018, 11:36:37 PM
Ha, I have, join the club.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 26, 2018, 01:55:27 PM
here a tack, there a tack, everywhere a fu**in tack old, ole macdonald had a farm e eye e eye Oh  ;D. Master cylinder positioned and brake flexi brackets done, all while waiting to fill my dentist pockets with my cash !!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 26, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 26, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Looking good Steve -but more importantly, how did you manage to take the welding selfies? :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 26, 2018, 02:58:54 PM
I have a beautiful assistant, like all good welders  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: BikerGran on April 26, 2018, 04:13:02 PM
Does she do a twirl when requested?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 26, 2018, 04:32:37 PM
she? did I mention gender ?  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on April 26, 2018, 07:14:07 PM
Well mine is female ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 28, 2018, 09:00:04 AM
 ;) ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 22, 2018, 08:13:37 AM
Lovely warm sunshine, so got the old B type out and did some work. Fitting the tub in the correct position has been a real pain. All Duttons are notoriously poor in the fit department. This seating tub was no different. I wanted to get the wheels nice and central in the arch, not quite possible but as good as I could. The main tub is about 40mm out of line. So I ended up glassing in a strip to make up the difference. Then I had to pack under the tub to make it sit square. I'm getting there, but its hard work, luckily the tub is a one man lift, its been on and off a few times, keeps me fit  ;D the silver nit is the chassis that the red bit should fit


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 22, 2018, 08:14:50 AM
tiz better  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 22, 2018, 08:15:55 AM
level ? well near enough for a loose fit


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 22, 2018, 08:17:48 AM
you can just about see the fillet I added. Sanding, grinding, and fettling in shorts meant a cool shower to remove the itchy bits last evening though  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 22, 2018, 08:58:03 AM
Lookin' good Steve :) That's come on a long way since we first saw it. Hope you're going to drive it back to show the old owner when it's finished :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 22, 2018, 03:10:14 PM
I have kept them informed of developments Andy, they are impressed  ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 22, 2018, 10:27:58 PM
Always nice to know your vehicle went to a good home.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 27, 2018, 09:59:59 AM
Bit of a break, Took the old B+ out for a spin in the South Hams lanes, Found an old church, long abandoned and just a ruin, so let the old girl cool down while I explored. Twas a tad warm, eggs cooking on the bonnet. Oh, and a sunburnt forehead !


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 27, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
Lookin' good matey :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 27, 2018, 05:12:56 PM
I decided the one piece steering column that fits like a glove, was also a spear in the event of a crash and would just come straight back through the chest. Must be getting old seeing these things now that wouldn't bother me a while back.  ::) So, I revisited the vehicle recycling centre (scrappy) and removed a complete MX5 column with all the lock, and switches still intact. £10 later and its home. Chopped it up and already feeling lost, Had a plan, new plan, plan D is looking better. Why did I not just leave it alone. Collapsible column, load of uj's and it should almost be correct, ha we'll see. Pictures as soon as a tack weld has been placed in the correct positions.   


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on July 27, 2018, 06:26:36 PM
Are you a member of the Westfield forum ? I saw one of their IVA builds on The Continuum ( Facebook Group) which was very interesting ?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 27, 2018, 08:26:13 PM
A complete column for a tenner? That's s bargain.
When we built the Pop, Loony & I used a Morris Minor column & were quite pleased that we'd managed to graft on the collapsible section from a VW Beetle -until Mr Kapri pointed out that it was between 2 fixed mounting points on the body, so wouldn't collapse as intended. Fortunately it wasn't required for the commercial SVA test we did anyway.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on July 28, 2018, 12:07:48 AM
A work mate had a failed sva due to the column being too straight on a locost. This despite it had two joints in it, tester wanted more angle on them.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 28, 2018, 08:50:51 AM
thanks for the comments, taken on board, I did consider the angle, so it would deflect on impact, however, I don't plan to test it. ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 29, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
getting there. ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 29, 2018, 04:59:23 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 29, 2018, 05:01:11 PM
Even got a bit in the middle to line up  :o I will replace the wooden bracket and the bungee which is holding it all correct at present


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on July 29, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
All seems fairly straight fore word to me sir, and all that space to get to everything ..not like lots of the builds I've had to work on ;)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 13, 2018, 07:05:30 PM
Back at it, at last the weather has broke, time to knuckle down. I need some help. Fuel pump for a fuel injection system. I would like it to be outside the tank, sort of inline. I have put a return line back into the tank. So any help on choosing a pump for an MX5 engine? and, as the fuel is being pumped around, does the tank become pressurised. Just a worry if it does. Havent allowed for the tank pressure


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: minimutly on August 13, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
German - think bosch, bmw, gm, audi maybe, but be sure to fit a prestrainer, and post filter.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 14, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
yes thanks for that, just read an article. Seems in line pumps and filters are common as muck from evil bay  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 25, 2018, 01:27:54 PM
Home from my break in the Algarve, wall to wall heat, love it. So I opened the man cave to find no one had bothered to finish the red car  ;)

I have to make some room for the new project arriving soon  ;)

So, finger nails chopped, romper suit cleaned, steel toe caps ready. Welding gas in place, fire extinguisher within reach, oh bother, I'll pick up the work thing tomorrow.
Watch this space ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 25, 2018, 01:30:02 PM
as it is:


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 25, 2018, 01:55:01 PM
Looks nearly finished!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on December 10, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Just been told the old guy who gave me this B type has passed away. Seems prostate then  Bladder cancer finally got him. Glad I managed to keep him informed of the progress I made. Feel like I should push on with it now for his widows sake.  :'(


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 10, 2018, 06:30:28 PM
That's a shame. They were a nice couple.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: stinkey on December 10, 2018, 06:47:41 PM
Sad news but unfortunately something gets you in the end? Hopefully you can pass it on in some way?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on December 28, 2018, 08:15:32 PM
it steers it stops !! if only it had some wires connecting odds and sod together  ;D Tomorrow anothers day. Plus been let down with the side panels.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 28, 2018, 09:53:06 PM
Looking good!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on January 07, 2019, 06:34:15 PM
back on it today, mojo working, fuel injection all cleaned, tested and new seals, back on the car.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on January 07, 2019, 06:34:56 PM
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Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 07, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
Tidy.


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on January 08, 2019, 08:01:19 PM
another big day, starter and alternator, water pump, all overhauled and back on the engine, permanent I hope. It had to be done, so with a couple of jumpleads and a piece of wire I connected it to a large battery. YES, it spins over nice and quiet no nasty knocks, so well happy. Now the hard work, sorting out this wiring loom !!


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 08, 2019, 08:14:37 PM
:)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on January 11, 2019, 08:14:26 PM
It doesn't show, but hell of lot of bits and pieces completed this week. Feeling positive. Cold feet, cold hands, cold lumps of metal.  ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on January 15, 2019, 08:23:27 PM
bit off colour, thought I may try to decypher the wiring loom, oh ah well, bit involved  ???


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 15, 2019, 08:27:11 PM
Wiring means absolutely nothing to me!


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Post by: the coppersmith on January 17, 2019, 05:09:48 PM
now I'm in a tangle? knit one, pearl one, left over right etc. :o


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Post by: merv on January 17, 2019, 06:35:15 PM
 :o ::)


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Post by: morrag on January 17, 2019, 08:23:44 PM
All different colours, easy peasy...... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


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Post by: the coppersmith on January 18, 2019, 08:11:59 PM
I'm crocheting a blanket Morrag, keep us old folk warm when out on our bikes  :D ;)


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Post by: the coppersmith on February 02, 2019, 08:16:39 PM
spring is in the air  :D better dust off the old girl, oh, and the car  ;D bloody thing needs a new clutch soon, ten years of abuse is starting to show. Way it is, no worries. 8)


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Post by: Manky Monkey on February 02, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
Looking rather pretty.


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Post by: the coppersmith on February 25, 2019, 07:06:37 PM
cars and bike everywhere, well, on the driveway. Spring has sprung, I'm happy. Bones are warming up, fingers are uncurling, feeling good. ;)


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Post by: the coppersmith on February 25, 2019, 07:07:17 PM
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Post by: Manky Monkey on February 25, 2019, 08:02:51 PM
Love that second shot Steve :)
Amazing what a difference a bit of sunshine makes isn't it.
I've noticed it when I've been delivering the Mail over the last few days -suddenly everyone's smiling & chatty.
I'm not a hot weather person, but I'm really looking forward to a long, warm Summer this year.


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Post by: minimutly on February 25, 2019, 08:44:13 PM
Easy there now lads - it's still February, and this warm waft could turn into the Beast if the jet stream shifts!
Edit to say, today I took the trike into work, cold as I got there after 12miles. I probably met a dozen cars, going slightly long way 'round. This afternoon, again going the scenic route up the Teifi valley, only saw four or five - and a sh1t tanker which wouldn't let me pass :-[


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Post by: Manky Monkey on February 25, 2019, 10:31:20 PM
:) If the trikes are coming out of hybernation, it must be Spring!


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Post by: the coppersmith on March 03, 2019, 07:13:36 PM
All day trying to get the handbrake positioned in the very narrow confines of the red rooster. Fabrication and drilling and tapping, G clamps and cable ties, finally happy with it. Climb in the car to find it hits my elbow. and when its on it stands near on upright. Shift it slightly forward, nope hits the gearlever in top. Move it slightly to the left, even worse.
A whole day spent drilling tapping welding in the bin. It happens................ARGHHHHH


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Post by: stinkey on March 03, 2019, 07:49:20 PM
I'd polish those manifolds to high heaven..can you fit the handbrake in between your legs?


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Post by: Manky Monkey on March 04, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
Use a Ford Pop or Citroen one that pulls out from under the dash?


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Post by: Stix on March 05, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
does it matter that much if your elbow hits the lever when it is pulled on? you would be parked and not driving,  :D


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Post by: the coppersmith on March 17, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
I think I dd it


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Post by: the coppersmith on March 17, 2019, 03:39:43 PM
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Post by: the coppersmith on March 17, 2019, 03:50:33 PM
bloody pic are upside down


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Post by: the coppersmith on March 17, 2019, 03:51:30 PM
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Post by: the coppersmith on March 17, 2019, 03:52:13 PM
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Post by: Manky Monkey on March 17, 2019, 11:58:09 PM
What's the lever from Steve? Looks tidy.


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Post by: the coppersmith on March 23, 2019, 09:22:58 AM
a mini cooper s. but not a real one one of those big things that now look nothing mini.  ;D


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Post by: Manky Monkey on March 23, 2019, 12:01:26 PM
I've got a friend at work with a 1990s real Mini.
We sometimes go on owners club runs together. Even though I don't own one, I'm really snobby about BMW Minis joining in!


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 25, 2019, 07:28:54 PM
got fed up working, took the other one out. Plymouth, Totnes, Kingsbridge, Slapton Sands, the one with the tank, Dartmouth Lovely trip, wind blown and interesting. Car never missed a beat. 44 year old Dolomite Sprint motor and O/D gearbox. Happy chap am I. Happy Whitsun all.


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 25, 2019, 07:29:29 PM
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Post by: the coppersmith on May 25, 2019, 07:30:11 PM
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Post by: stinkey on May 26, 2019, 07:10:33 AM
Your living life dude, I love the fact that us older ( I'm still 17 in my head and still a rebel 😁) guys are ragging about on chops and driving shed built cars and surprising young folks 😂👍😎


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Post by: Manky Monkey on May 27, 2019, 05:28:09 PM
:)


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 27, 2019, 07:31:25 PM
done it again today, but back to front. Even Mrs monkey enjoyed it  :o not really the plan, but hey ho  ;D


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 27, 2019, 07:32:08 PM
she did my me a 99 while in Dartmouth though  ;)


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Post by: Manky Monkey on May 28, 2019, 03:06:59 PM
Living the dream :)


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 30, 2019, 06:53:49 PM
YEP, this being retired is hard, but someone gotta do it, 50 years bashing metal, clanking spanners and welding stuff. Now only do it for myself, and my family, oh and my friends, and the neighbours. Full time rabbits and foreigners now  :o :o


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Post by: the coppersmith on June 05, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
Another MOT, ten years and ten passes, feeling bloody happy. Until the dentist, who is next  :o


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Post by: Manky Monkey on June 05, 2019, 04:06:33 PM
Well done chap.


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Post by: BikerGran on June 06, 2019, 08:50:59 PM
Excellent!


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 19, 2019, 12:57:13 PM
been out and about in the good weather, the project took a back seat. I tried a big set of wheels on the blue one, turns out they may be to big or wide, seem to track on the road and make the whole thing twitchy at speed


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 19, 2019, 01:02:59 PM
time for a ice cream


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Post by: Manky Monkey on July 19, 2019, 02:44:31 PM
Looks great.


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Post by: the coppersmith on April 15, 2020, 06:45:00 PM
lockdown has brought me back onto the red rooster build, lots of bits stored away, so decided to break the boredom and get on. Sheet aluminium work has been the main thing. Starting with the bulkhead


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Post by: the coppersmith on April 15, 2020, 06:47:17 PM
1.5 marine grade alloy. had to use a jigsaw ( after I repaired it ) for most cuts. My old hands and gilbow tin snips are enemies now


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on April 15, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
onto the scuttle, and the gear box tunnel. lots of time thinking about the cuts and folds, my confidence is a bit shaky after three years away from my tools


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Post by: the coppersmith on April 15, 2020, 06:50:46 PM
Im making good progress though. tunnel complete


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Post by: the coppersmith on April 15, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
Next on the big list is the seating area. Managed to scrounge some heavy 3mm. alloy for the floor. and the reinforcement to the chassis makes it all solid.


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Post by: Manky Monkey on April 15, 2020, 09:08:16 PM
Wow, haven't you been busy! Starting to come together nicely Steve :)


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on May 11, 2020, 04:57:13 PM
after having a play and finding out that my fuel injection system was not playing nice, I got hold of an MX5 sender and pump dirt cheap. Bit the bullet and started by jigsawing a huge hole in my new tank  :o


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 11, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
pump and flange in


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 11, 2020, 04:59:36 PM
the gubbins, pump and fuel gauge, chopped down in height to fit


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 11, 2020, 05:00:29 PM
masked up for drilling and tapping


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 11, 2020, 05:01:49 PM
all drilled and tapped


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 11, 2020, 05:03:06 PM
then while deburring and cleaning out the swarf it bit me  :(


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Post by: Olds on May 11, 2020, 06:28:14 PM
Ouch ! Sheet steel has a nasty habit of doing that.
Is the tank thick enough for the screws to hold and seal with a gasket or will you be bonding the pump/sender to the tank ?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on May 12, 2020, 07:31:37 AM
I’m making a flange for underneath, in two horseshoes, then bolts up through, and nuts and gasket holding the lid down, well, that is today’s plan 🥴


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 20, 2020, 06:27:06 PM
Bit of history made today, after toiling in the mid day sun, I hooked a battery to the wiring, temporary lead to the fuel pump and Earth, and low and behold it fired up almost instantly 😱. To say I’m chuffed is an understatement. So now I can attach the body work proper. Move forward 👍


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Post by: the coppersmith on May 20, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Uhm pictures to big 😢


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Post by: Manky Monkey on May 21, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
600 x 600 Steve.
Send 'em to me.


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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:32:50 AM
3 years on, and it has today driven under its own power. only a trip out of the cave onto the drive way but it felt good to finally get some movement. Still a whack to do


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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:40:57 AM
pipe work and radiator mods to convert to a sealed system


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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:42:09 AM
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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:43:07 AM
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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:44:26 AM
top came off easily and clean


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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:45:34 AM
found a pipe blank that fitted very nice for now


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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:47:51 AM
and fitted


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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
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Post by: the coppersmith on June 11, 2020, 09:52:08 AM
then I hooked it up to my mates central heating flush pump and whoa, amazed at what cra* came away. Pressure tested and left with inhibitor in the system. Phew happy.


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Post by: Manky Monkey on June 11, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Nice work matey :)


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Post by: terry t on June 11, 2020, 07:09:34 PM
then I hooked it up to my mates central heating flush pump and whoa, amazed at what cra* came away. Pressure tested and left with inhibitor in the system. Phew happy.

I was thinking of connecting my power flushing equipment to my trike. I have the heater pack on mine to keep it hot sot the thermostat will stay open 


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on June 12, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
TerryT. Luckily my mate told me to remove the stat. He did my dolomite sprint engine a few years back, after doing his rover V8. I was shocked what sediment it shifted and hope it helps in keeping the system cool


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Post by: terry t on June 12, 2020, 03:08:30 PM
TerryT. Luckily my mate told me to remove the stat. He did my dolomite sprint engine a few years back, after doing his rover V8. I was shocked what sediment it shifted and hope it helps in keeping the system cool
Normally I would remove the stat. but on the goldwings you have to remove all the front Tupperware then the two fans and two rads. after ll that you can just see the stat housing. as it is I can remove the bottom panel and connect the pump onto the hose from there


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 06:56:38 PM
Back on the "lil red rooster" for a bit. Seeing I have the engine up and running thought I better silence it before those living close get any angrier  :D. Kawasaki 1200 silencer laying around found its way on to the side. Sounds great, not sure about the thin Flexi yet.


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 06:57:49 PM
may go for solid pipe and rubber mounts


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 06:59:14 PM
Then the bonnet, never been happy with the offsides lump, so took the angry grinder to it and started again


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 07:00:02 PM
CAD technology


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 07:00:57 PM
1.5 alloy


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
more CAD  ;D


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 07:03:19 PM
pop rivets, countersunk and spaced 60mm apart, fibreglass taped, not going anywhere


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 07:04:22 PM
as far as I have got


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2020, 07:05:38 PM
have some time on my hands now so forward again, into the breech.


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Post by: Manky Monkey on July 16, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
It's looking great matey. Like a brand new car :)


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 16, 2020, 12:14:34 PM
Thanks Andy, starting on bodywork now, I’m not good or patient at getting it spot on, but I watch you on the pop and think keep going. 🤣
On that point, is there a good fine filler, I seem to have pin holes, and the filler primer is useless in my hands,


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Post by: Manky Monkey on July 17, 2020, 09:43:18 PM
I use a blue one from the local paint shop. I'll check the tin in my garage tomorrow & let you know the brand.


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Post by: Manky Monkey on July 19, 2020, 09:32:18 PM
Multilight filler, made by Lechler.


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Post by: the coppersmith on July 20, 2020, 08:05:49 AM
👍 thank you


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 11, 2020, 09:04:40 AM
small update: wanting to move on a bit I decided to try and get the wiring at the front sorted. First was headlight brackets. Not quite followed Andys post but the idea came from the pop.


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 11, 2020, 09:05:41 AM
first fit


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 11, 2020, 09:07:16 AM
temporary weld, so had to persuade it fractionally  ;D


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 11, 2020, 09:08:32 AM
then I levelled across and tacked the other side and temp. fitted the lights


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 11, 2020, 09:10:29 AM
now, do I keep it old school with long flappy wings, clamshell? or keep it with the black guards as in previous pic? decisions  ???


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on August 11, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
think I need to get a sideway shot before I decide


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Post by: Manky Monkey on August 12, 2020, 09:31:11 PM
Hmm, interesting dilemma.
As you say, a side shot might help.
I wonder if the body might look a bit boxy without the long wings to break it up?
Lights worked out well.


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Post by: Iceman on August 13, 2020, 08:34:13 AM
Mr Coppersmiths,
I like the old swoopy wings but I'm not sure about how they would look with the rectangular indicators. 🤔 Perhaps round ones sharing the same centre line as the headlights? I have some old bike ones if you like.
The rules are that there are no rules ......... it's your car and you build it to please you! Having said that I would have it as it is in a moment.😁


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 21, 2020, 09:44:00 AM
think its going to be red  ;D


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 21, 2020, 09:44:29 AM
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Post by: Manky Monkey on August 21, 2020, 09:13:35 PM
Ooh, that came out well :)


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Post by: the coppersmith on August 22, 2020, 08:26:42 AM
Not so good close up 😢


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Post by: Manky Monkey on August 22, 2020, 02:01:46 PM
I've got a truck like that :)


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Post by: triker_Chewie on August 23, 2020, 04:17:41 AM
I've got an 'Ed like that  ;D


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Post by: Manky Monkey on August 24, 2020, 03:11:17 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on September 12, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
I drove it up and down the drive today. I can see the end, its just out of reach. Still no joy with the rev counter, but hey ho, now then where is that list so I can cross off a bit and add a few more things  ;D ;D


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Post by: Manky Monkey on September 12, 2020, 08:34:39 PM
I can't remember the last time I drove my project :(
Did it start & stop O.K?


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on November 14, 2020, 10:04:25 AM
Back at it, cycle wing front arches need brackets making, I’m planning. Seen so many arches broken on cars so trying to fine a solution without it becoming a tank


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: the coppersmith on May 11, 2021, 02:26:45 PM
Update on the red rooster: nothing really, except it starts, goes up and down the drive, stops well. Having something haywire in the alternator, it starts fine, but only shows 11.9 volts, then settles at a nice 13.6. Then for some unknown reason climbs to 15 volts 😱. If I switch off and start again it settles down for a few minutes, then off it goes 15.1 volts. I’ve  a suspicion this could get expensive 🤪


Title: Re: bit of help required
Post by: fifer on May 12, 2021, 09:44:20 PM
If your alternator has the following part on the front then it is easily and cheaply fixed .
In most cases you can replace the voltage regulator in situ .
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221222384056?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3Dc91acac2dfc543a29504b610c9326903%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D202412832024%26itm%3D221222384056%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseUnbiasedWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851