Manky Monkey Motors

well the deal has now been done and after over a dozen years i am now the owner of   ,,THE BLACK PIG,, a Q registered yamaha  xs650

i hope to have her home over the coming weekend then the major work can begin
just done the DVLA vehicle check which revealed she was last taxed in 1994  :o :o :o  well i knew she had been laid up some time ago ,, so wish me luck ,,lol,

Being Q is no longer deemed undesireable and has certain advantages. ;) ;D
Good luck with this Mike. 1994. You may need it. :D

thats how i think about  Q plates  it means that its been inspected at some point ,,

Photos!  :D

sorry i dont own a working camera at the moment ,, and i cant load anything onto this cream crackered computer

hardtail or soft tail  that is now the question  :-\ :-\ :-\

i,v just bid on some ignition bits i found on good old ,,flea bay,,  so when i collect the pig later this week i should be able to make a start on it

had a bit of good news  been told that the engine was overhauled  around 500 miles before she was parked up

Sounds like you'll be on the road before me Mike! -oh, & hardtail.  :)

Might still be worth soaking the bores for a while before turning the engine over, but then you know this already.

Take no notice of  MM (he wants to get his on the road first  ;)).  Soft tail. Keep it simple for now, just get the on the road and ride that pig.

ignition parts arrived this morning thank  mr postie,   :) :)

as requested  boss

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well thats youre lot for now, what do you guys think ??

can anybody identify the swing arm ??

its for sale as i,m not keen on it  i,m going to get a proper one ,

not shure on the shocks either  they arn,t in keeping with the look i,m aiming for

Looks like it could possibly be an old Metamachex one way to tell is there will be a number stamped into the brace on the frame spindle mounting. I have an old catalogue with the part numbers so can check for you ;)

cheers mate , that name rings a bell, i,ll look for the number if i get chance today,, is it worth anything these days

Glad you've got a project to keep the demons at bay mate..nowt like some hotrod therapy ? ;)

cheers mate  ;) ;)

well i,m skint now  ::) ::)

but had a good haul today

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and also a new chain

to loads of photo,s  but something went wrong as only 7 came off the memory card  ??? ???

Mike don't take less than £250 they are well sought after now.  ;) Ebay it mate and watch the £££££££££££'s roll in.

cheers  mate

i,ll ask a friend if they can list it  i havnt an account as such

That's a lot of new parts Mike -did you find someone breaking one?

hardtail chop builder  not many miles away

funny i saw his chevy apache, truck  he had just sold it for alot of money and was waiting for it to be collected,

it came over from the states at the same time as the ones i had  and they sat side  by  side on the dock at grangemouth

 :D

Don't you listen to that Manky bloke - softail if you want to ride it much, beat up bodies don't appreciate hardtail!

SOFT  TAIL   it is  swing arm and shocks now fitted ,

i was going to blast it down the yard  but it decided ,,no way,, and the carbs fooked up and the new ,batt,, went flat,, alternator or rectifirer  goosed,

a few progress pics ,,lol,,

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bl**dy hell i, just cant believe my  mo jo, is coming back  ,lol,  i,m actually achieving something,,     i blame that  bl**dy  foden ,, :D :D

Good for you mate.  ;)

iv,e lost skin and blood on that bl**dy foden   thats why its in the photo,s   but i love the b@st@rd ,, ::) ::)

 :D

progress is a bit slow , i,v stripped and soaked the carbs , its taken ages, but they are now fit to go back on the bike

i,m awaiting a set of starter reduction gears then i can fit the starter i got  for it

meanwhile i,v been experimenting with  rear mudgaurd positions etc  but i havnt got any photo,s  at the moment

You going single seater Mike?

yep,, but no seat for it  yet  ::) ::)

loads of bits  ordered  ;) ;)  but still no seat ==  budget  blown ::) ::)

 :D

upto now

replaced

points + baseplate

advance mechanism

plugs

chain +sprockets

rear brake assembly

footpegs

rear wheel

rear tyre

brake rod and cross shaft

rear shocks

fuel lines ( upto test tank)

battery

ign wiring

oil +filters

attension to carbs +replaced missing screws

cleaned out carbs (twice)

handle bars

repaired and replaced variuos  studs n, nuts

reset valve clearance

adjusted cam chain


parts on order

new coils

new condensors

ht leads

plug caps

carb kits
 
clutch lever

brake master cyl +lever

fork seals

fork slugs

lamp brackets

air filters

horn

clutch rod seal

starter gears

tank is in the process of being cleaned

starter is here and will be fitted when gears arrive

exhuasts ????  fooked  but on going  thought process

new battery box needs to be designed and made

rear mudguard is in ,mock up, stage
need a front one

clocks need getting.
front tyre needs renewing  old is cracked

front caliper is overhauled ready to refit.

and the list go,s on and on


so i havn,t been idle   as i,m doing this ,, the trike,, a willys, jeep , a bedford QL is waiting in the wings  and i,m keeping the  8 leg foden on the road aswell as assisting the lads in the yard  with anything and everything including chainsaws and log splitters for there side line   job

PLUS
working on improving my  daily  a fully kitted out landrover 110

There's keeping busy mate,but don't blow a fuse ? :-*

You've been busy mate. Achieved a lot more than a lot of us, so don't beat yourself up about it.

just got home ,,brew food,, tin-ter-net,, then bed

about another 7 hours on the pig , two steps forward ,,, three steps back ,, 

think i,m going to need another complete alternator / generator , rectifier  reg  set up  , its all a fookin mess and none of the wire colours match up to any diagrams that i can find  and a host of chopped up sh1te under miles of insult tape  ??? ???

Yeah, that sounds like most old Jap bikes.

but what fits it   ::) ::)  its on a Q plate  frame  number according to ,,yambits,, == 1981 xs650 se

Suggest you have a think about going down the Permanent Magnet Alternator route.

Its an upgrade using more reliable, and potentially more easily available, components.

http://www.xs650.com/threads/how-to-permanent-magnet-alternator-swap-also-known-as-the-banshee-swap.5536/

http://www.smedspeed.co.uk/pmakit.html

http://xs650temp.proboards.com/thread/11096

Ha, you're lucky if they are different colours and you can trace them - when my little yammy was stolen and dumped, the buggers cut right through the wiring loom at the front - when a mate came to sort it out, every wire was brown!  Took him hours of trial and error and some odd results!

cheers mate i,v been thinkin alot about PMA  i,v heard alot of good stuff  but  not shure of costs

got new coils here and condensors on there way , new batt here  etc,,etc

give me an old truck and i can build the full electrical system  blindfold,,, but bikes   ::) ::)

can any body on here supply me with all the bits to do the above  please

On this site there is dimensions and how to make the adapter plate if you go down that route. Probably some other good info too 

which site is that  sid ,,

Sorry forgot to put up the link: http://www.xs650.org.au/Technical%20Info/Alternators.htm

thanks  sid

i,ll take a look

 

i got all the gears to replace the ones missing from the starter motor drive ,  all for free thanks to ,martin, from  hyde in greater manchester   a fellow bike builder and enthusiast,  free of charge ,,thanks again ,martin,,

Get some pics up, you can do without the starter, and perhaps the casing can be repaired?

thats the problem i can,t do without the starter as i can,t kick it over easy enough

seen a recon engine on  ,flea bay,,  £1400   :o :o

may buy engine or another  xs bike

Lots of engines and crank cases on fleabay Mike.

been looking but can,t find alot of engines ,, and the ones i have found  are dog ruff  at around £400  or very expensive at £1400

if anybody see,s any please send me the details or a ,,link,,

even better if one of our monkeys can help me out  i could pay with beer tokens  or ,jaffa cakes ,, ;) ;) ;)

The problem is you could spend a lot of money on buying a motor, to find its not quite what you were sold. With stuff of that vintage you need to know it, or rebuild one yourself. At least its a twin, not four ;)

ive me an 11 litre cummins diesel any day

Might have tiny  bit of a problem getting that into the frame.

well,,,

the  pig, build is continuing..

i,v had a few hours fettleing up what i have  and she is going to be kick start only

i got all the internal damage  sorted  but  couldnt get the other gears and shaft i needed ,, i may look into the electric start at a later date

i,m now looking for electrical  / charging circuit parts PMA  permenant magnet alternator,, set up ..would be very nice  ;) ;)

Wahey, good news. Strangely, hearing that a fellow builder is giving in makes me feel depressed, or at least dissapointed. Is there a medical term for it? Proxy project loss?

Agreed.
Mike , a couple of ideas if you are having probs with the kicker. Try to look for a longer one. Many Yamaha (and perhaps other jap) bikes share common splines or if you still want to go the bike pedal route, fab an extension using the bike crank arm.
Perhaps lower the compression ratio a bit.

Take the plugs out, kicks over really easily then! But seriously, didn't early xs,s have a decompression lever on the left hand rocker cover? That could be a way round the problem.

That's good news Mike. ;) If there's no rush to get it on the road, just plug away at it as & when you get the urge/parts.
The starter gears come up on Ebay once in a while, (I think mine went to either Archie or Tom's projects). Or try Mike's XS in the States, (serendipitous or what!). They do all sorts of upgrade parts, like a longer 5th gear, so you can cruise at lower revs.
I wondered about fitting a decompressor on mine, just to be a bit different. Tony Oily Bike commented on it somewhere in my build thread with a couple of links. I think you need to change the valve as well cos it has a lug cast into it that the decomp' thingy connects to. I bought a 2nd kickstart lever for mine & am in the process of reducing the diameter of the arm to take a stainless tube that'll slide inside a Harley rubber pedal.
Keep at it Mike. You'll get there. 

Link to some decompressor info   http://www.mankymonkeymotors.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14735.0

"Mikes XS" in the states has an outlet in Holland called Heiden Tuning. (Being in Holland it makes it easier re postal charges and VAT)
http://www.xs650.biz/p/28/1423/home

 :)

found an engine (early  pre 76/77 ) with  the decompressor on it but its siezed and some of the decomp bits are damaged / cracked ,, but its £500  :o :o ::) ::)

Don't rush....

GOOD NEWS,, i couldn,t sleep again last night and spent alot of time thinking ,, so first thing this morning i went up the yard and it was quite a pleasent start to the day at around  8am so i wheeled the pig outside  and sorted out all the ignition bits and asembled what i had  got the battery charged and rigged up a direct ignition feed put the fuel test tank on  and the left carb flooded but a  light tap stopped that  everything was roughly set  ,, full choke,,, first kick  she FIRED UP  and ran well  but dosnt like coming off choke so i need another look at the carbs ,, i then  got brave a popped her into first, and eased the clutch out and we flew off up the yard ,,,OHHH  SH1T,,,,, no brakes connected  ::) ::)  any i dumped the throttle shut and took a couple of miles of tread of me boots  came back down the yard and  refitted the rear brake rod ,, and had another go ,, so yes she is ,,ALIVE,, after her long slumber

the biggest thing i found is  she is very high geared  even in first gear   any idea,s ??  she has standard front and rear sprockets ,,

That's great news Mike! Well done. I haven't achieved movement with mine yet, so you're ahead of me.

lol, first run was  scarey when i realised i hadnt any brakes  it hasnt got anything on the front yet  and i,d left the rear brake pedal off when i put the side case  back  ::) ::) ::) ::)

second run up the yard was better,,,lol,

third  run couldn,t de-clutch  :o :o bl@@dy adjuster lock nut had wound its self off ,,  :D :D :D

i,v  been in a real bad spot the last week or so  but aint it funny how tearing up and down the yard with an old moto-sickle, can bring a smile back and brighten things up ,,,

Even if you nearly put yourself in hospital in the process!  ;D    ;D    ;D

Made us all laugh anyway... :D

Certainly made me chuckle. :D

Mike you impetuous fool..COOL  :D

and the kickstart only bit me once   out of the dozen or so times i started it ,, well it must have bitten me,,,,   the inside of my right leg is missing some flesh  and the muscle has gone purple tonight ,,  f@ckin  BLACK PIG,, ::) ::) ::)

i,m now looking for exhaust down pipes,, mine are shot at  and the i missed the nice custom ones i was bidding on   on flea bay ,,

well i,m afraid this project has fell by the way side due to current  situation  with workshop and storage problems,, it,s still sat inside but the roof is leaking and work all ready done is going bad
i wont have anywhere at all very soon   even  my tools may have to go ,, :'(  i,v just about come to the piont of giving up all together  its been a very tough few years  and i thought i was getting somewhere only   for it all to go tits  up yet again ,,

had a blast around the yard today  it was fun on the ,,ice,,  :D ::) ::)

You know you want to keep it Mike :)

i know,, i know,, but i,m struggling in many ways  and me and IT, have a love  /  hate  relationship

Same with mine!

well i havn,t touched this in over a month,,  :( :( and i,v got yard,,home,,, money, and storage  problems  and  the ,,BLACK DOG ,,, (deppression )  is back with avengance,, i just can,t seem to survive    i just get back on my feet and somebody  or  something kicks the sh1te  out of me .. 

 so simply i dont know what the hell to do  now ,,

OK,GUYS

i,ll come  clean

i,v been having tests  for a number of things  including  the C, desease , i,m now on medication for that  and being monitored ,

but i also have yet another hernia  problem which is also being monitored,, (takes the total to 3 )

the result of all this is on medical advice  == no strain,, and the doctor (who i get on with and i value his advice ) definetly NO KICK STARTING MOTORCYCLES

SO the black pig has to go asap  if only to remove the temptation of trying to see if i can kick it ,,

  as most of you know i have put some time and some money into it  and i gave reasonable amount for it

  so  all in all i have around £1300  in it  but it has to go NOW. not LATER  so i realise i wont get it all back

i,v already had some interest from a couple of members on here

so  please guys help me out as i just want a trouble free time to try and get through this trouble in my  life

i hope you all understand   what i,m trying to say and sort out  but its very hard  for me to be in this situation  and all alone in the world

thank for  reading /listening

mike ..

still got the pig

i was talking to my old mate  who i bought ot of  ,, and he said i,v gone soft in the head and he will f@@kin  kill me if i sell it  :o :o

so it could be staying for awhile