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Title: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 06, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
As title suggests I have a new project.  :D  Well almost. Hopefully Scottie of Moving Hot Rods will be picking it up for me next Monday.  :)
All I can say at the moment, is that it's different, post war (but only just) has already been modified but is going to be radically altered.  ;)
I suppose I'd better let SWMBO know before it turns up  :-\


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 06, 2014, 08:18:55 PM
Ooh, ooh, ooh!! What've you bought Dave?!
...hang on , I thought the rule was you had to sell one vehicle before you got another? Don't tell me the trike's gone?


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 06, 2014, 08:27:25 PM
Nope, trike and bikes are still here! At the moment at least.
Had a massive tidy up of the garage and managed to get one half clear, so I had better fill it before the wife sticks her car in there. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 06, 2014, 08:40:28 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: merv on August 06, 2014, 09:17:21 PM
That's mean of you, start something then leave us hanging  :)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 06, 2014, 09:54:50 PM
I know  ;D
If everything goes ok then pics and details next week. Some may not like what I am planning.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: triker_Chewie on August 07, 2014, 12:27:59 AM
i always say if you dont like it, buy it and do it your way


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: hunter on August 07, 2014, 09:21:21 AM
Then if we don't like it,























You can do it again. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on August 07, 2014, 10:22:05 AM
 8) can't wait sir...


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 07, 2014, 10:56:58 AM
If I can pull this off I think you might like it Shaun :)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Mendalot on August 07, 2014, 02:06:29 PM
Talk about dangle the proverbial carrot  ::)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: merv on August 07, 2014, 08:37:21 PM
That Olds is a big tease, and at his age   :)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on August 08, 2014, 09:27:23 AM
if it's a fraction as cool as your trike, and I don't do trikes I will like it sir  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 08, 2014, 09:37:49 AM
 :D Thanks.
Here is a hint. Think Brooklands (or Pendine  ;)) 1930s.



Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Baychimp on August 08, 2014, 09:29:01 PM
Its a picnic hamper on wheels.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2014, 07:01:29 PM
Pics and details as promised.
The 'thing' is a 1960 Autobee mounted on a 1940s Morris Eight chassis.
Picked it up today with help from Scottie of movinghotrods.co.uk  ;) He seems to think it would make a unique gasser.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
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Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2014, 07:07:53 PM
Plan on cutting the body off very soon as all I want is the chassis and running gear. Pair of steel seat buckets came with it and these may get used but will probably make aluminium versions.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2014, 07:12:33 PM
Once I have the awful body off, I should have a lot more room. Chassis seems to be very solid. Preliminary drawing of what I plan on doing.
A snug two seater.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 11, 2014, 07:49:09 PM
Ahh, that would explain Scottie's odd post on FaceBook. I'm surprised he didn't make a detour to Loony's yard with it!
I kinda like that body -you don't fancy restoring it then?!  :) Those steel buckets would look great in something like, I dunno, a T bucket?


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 11, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
Save the Autobee!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: spanners on August 11, 2014, 10:47:22 PM
olds i know i,m being a cheeky monkey  ;D but if you dont use them seats could i have the option of swapping you some beer tokens or something usefull for them  only they look almost identical to what should be in my 451GMC i only have the remains of one of my old seats.
cheers,
,,mike,


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 12, 2014, 07:21:02 AM
Sorry Mike but there is already a couple of folk ahead of you wanting the seats. ???
Perhaps I should start making copies. :D
Started pulling out period bits that I may need and adding them to the pile of new stuff that came with the wreck.
Luckily the new parts it came with include five 4.50-17 tyres, handbrake cables, shocks, exhaust (that I probably wont use) and other bits I haven't sorted through yet.
Other bits I will Ebay. I have two front screens door glass with winders and rear screen but have no idea what they are from ::) They will probably go to the tip local waste recycling and disposal facility, along with the other junk.
I will be on the lookout for a set of 17" wire wheels, six stud 4" pcd as fitted to the earlier models (yes Shaun, WIRES  :D).
Oh, this also came with a pair of strange, optional extra, tail fins. :o


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 12, 2014, 02:33:33 PM
Fins are always cool!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Baychimp on August 12, 2014, 07:07:17 PM
There has got to be someone out there who will want to buy that body Dave. And its all cash toward the build fund.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 12, 2014, 07:32:41 PM
To late. And to be honest I have seen washing up bowls with more structural integrity.
Most of the body off now. Not a hope in hell of getting it off in one piece. Not only were most of the fixings rusted solid but the body had been glassed to the chassis.
The rear extension to the chassis is bolted on. So far there are only minor repairs needed where bits have been cut off and a couple of bits of angle iron need cutting out. The floor pans could do with replacing but as these are bolted in so it's easier to make new than repair.
 


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: merv on August 12, 2014, 11:58:58 PM
Flippen  ek  you don't hang around


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on August 13, 2014, 06:48:38 AM
Superb Old's old chap  ;D and wires Mmmmmm :-* as an aside.... I was chatting to a chap with a Buggatti body sitting in his shed at the weekend... he is looking for an aero engine for the build  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 13, 2014, 07:51:59 AM
 :D
Think I saw a pair of air cooled Lycoming engines for sale on Ebay the other day.
Didn't know that you could make fibreglass this thin. Average thickness 1.5mm  :o some areas are less than 1.3mm. No wonder it was breaking up.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 13, 2014, 09:23:55 PM
A couple of photos of Mr Brock's roadster project.
Plywood body, covered with hessian, mounted on a Pop chassis with Reliant engine.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 13, 2014, 09:48:53 PM
Nice. Will have to have a chat with him. I would like to go for an aluminium airframe type of construction but costs may rule that out, so aluminium clad ply may be used.
Familiar looking engine.
Still stripping the chassis. All bodywork removed apart from front wings and scuttle (run out of room to store the removed bits). I have been trying to remove the floor pans. Six pans held on with a total of 78 bolts that are all rusted solid and to add to the fun, someone has added two rivets between each pair of bolts >:(  Oh what fun I am having.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 13, 2014, 09:52:54 PM
Sounds like a job for Mr Angle Grinder!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Baychimp on August 13, 2014, 09:54:49 PM
Saint Angle Grinder surely?


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 14, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
Trying to refrain from using the angle grinder. Soaking the bolts in Wd40 seems to be working.
Not a lot of progress today. Took most of the old body to the tip and got some strange looks. Just the front wings left of the fibreglass to remove then the plywood bulkhead and steel inner wings. The pedal box is made of steel and I might be able to reuse it, or at least it will make a good pattern.



Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 15, 2014, 08:33:13 PM
The more I pull this apart, the more I realise I am doing the right thing.
The bulkhead was made of thick ply. Notice the use of past tense. It was so rotten that it was more like corrugated cardboard and the gearbox mounts while being made of substantial angle iron were welded to the floor pan and not the chassis. For that at least I am grateful as it means the chassis has not been butchered.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 15, 2014, 08:36:50 PM
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Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 15, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
I find it quite scary that vehicles like this no longer need an MOT -not every "classic" is well preserved.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 15, 2014, 09:44:11 PM
Very true.
Luckily the chassis itself is in excellent condition, only needing a new rear cross member.  This is made of a much lighter gauge steel than the rest of the chassis. ???


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: kapri on August 15, 2014, 10:10:46 PM
From my memory of my old Series E that isn't unusual ! I had a 2 door back in around '75 .If memory serves me correctly watch out for the chassis itself as it's back to front ie it's U /C section with the OUTER being plated in with thin gauge as opposed to the normal other way round.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: MIXA on August 15, 2014, 10:31:49 PM
At least the important bits you want off it are good , would have been some project trying to restore it


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: morrag on August 16, 2014, 05:28:59 AM
Olds, that's not a '40's BMC motor/box, surely, the "8's" were running SV motors then, as were the early Minors. Looks more mid 50's and onward to me, but??...................Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 16, 2014, 07:00:27 AM
Correct as always Morrag  :D
Yep someone has put in an  A series engine and remote change gearbox. Probably from a late Moggy 1000. That would make it a 1098cc and seeing as the engine turns over and seems to have some compression, I will go with what is fitted. Though I will have to seriously rework the engine and gearbox mounts.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: morrag on August 16, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
The 'A' Series motor is a favourite of mine, and really I prefer it and its box to the Reliant! and as I'm sure your aware, Olds, the many years of standard "goodies" as fitted to the various versions of Sprites&M.G's of its type, make it  an ideal basis for what your about, nice one ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)............Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 16, 2014, 07:06:42 PM
I prefer it and its box to the Reliant!

Mwahhhh! Don't listen to him children!  :o


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: morrag on August 16, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
Sorry Mr. M, how foolish of me! :P :P :P :P :P..............nah, had my fingers crossed behind my back when I typed that!................. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 20, 2014, 04:08:42 PM
Chassis now stripped of all panelling. Need to make new engine and gearbox mounts. The mounting points on the gearbox are too far back unless I make a new cross member but the whole point is to not alter the chassis at all. Seems the original Morris 8 gearbox, had brackets held in place by the tail extension bolts. so I will replicate this to suit the new box. 


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 20, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
Could also do with moving the engine back a touch.
Bye the way MM being as you said that "fins are always cool" I have kept the tail fins. Thought you might like them for the T bucket.  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: kapri on August 20, 2014, 04:31:40 PM
On the 8 points system you allowed to ADD crossmembers but not remove.

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/chassis-and-monocoque-modification/


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 20, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Thanks Dave!
Kev, can you drill the existing chassis to bolt/rivet in a new cross member, to keep it looking original, or does it need to be welded?
Weren't older frames designed to flex with riveted joints, whereas welding would create a rigid area in the chassis that could fracture?


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 20, 2014, 09:56:39 PM
Thanks for the link Kev.
Trying to do this without any mods at all to the chassis if possible.  This means undoing some awful mods like angle iron welded to the top of the rear chassis rails to flatten them to allow a flat floor. ???. and an angle iron cross member, that the axle would hit  ??? ???.
Keeping the std. axles, steering, brakes and suspension as well, but may have to remove a leaf from each rear spring as it's going to be a lot lighter.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 21, 2014, 12:15:34 PM
First purchase ( apart from the heap) a radiator grill. I know there is a long long way to go before fitting but I needed to know the shape to work out the body drawings, That and the fact it was straight, shiny and dirt cheap  ;D It was this or a battered original early Morris 8 one at 110  :o
The bars will be replaced with mesh.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on August 22, 2014, 09:22:52 AM
nice :)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 22, 2014, 06:22:08 PM
That's a really nice grille Dave. I like the bars!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: hunter on August 22, 2014, 07:28:21 PM
I like the bars to.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: merv on August 22, 2014, 09:04:51 PM
I to bars I like


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 24, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
New rear crossmember parts ready to be welded in. The only real bit of corrosion on the chassis. For some dumb reason Morris decided to make a channel section, from only 16swg (1.6mm) thick steel.
Decided to do a double channel section with a 25mm gap between the front and rear walls forming a narrow box within the channel with spacing/anti crush tubes where bolts go through. Should look original at a glance but be much stronger.
I really must get a folder. Making two channel sections that fit together took a while.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 25, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
At the moment it's all looking a bit too normal.

-fins Dave, it needs fins!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 25, 2014, 08:20:21 PM
At the moment it's all looking a bit too normal.
-fins Dave, it needs fins!
Funny you should say that. Been sketching out aircraft style tail fin  ;)
Rear crossmember in and now I'm cutting out the bits of angle iron bed frame, someone added. Jeez they used a lot of weld.  >:(


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on August 27, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
Now the back end is pretty much sorted, I am trying to work out engine/gearbox position. Seems the engine position (too far forward),was determined by the length of the prop and 'mounts' made to suit. While pondering I noticed a slight problem with this engine conversion.
To remove the distributor cap the steering column needs to be removed first.  :o
Looks like I will be moving the engine back (and perhaps down and across  :-\) a bit further than anticipated.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on August 28, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
the engine being back a bit won't hurt, these cars look best with long noses  8)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 01, 2014, 04:40:51 PM
New panels made for what would have been the rear seat area. This is where I plan on putting the fuel tank. At the moment not welded in as it will be easier to finish the chassis / running gear without them. Just want to get everything that's supposed the be welded to the chassis made and ready to fit.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 01, 2014, 07:51:05 PM
Don't tell me you made your own swages Dave -just what I wanted in the panels I've just welded into my Pop!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 02, 2014, 05:53:21 AM
just what I wanted in the panels I've just welded into my Pop!
I'll lend you a hammer.  ;)

Hand beaten. Bit annoyed that one is not parallel to the panel  :-[ Should really do the base panel ( 10 ribs running front to back) but with 18 swg (1.22mm) steel you really have to beat it and distortion is a bitch.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: hunter on September 02, 2014, 09:41:31 AM
Cracking job olds,Love the oldschool or should i say Olds-school style of working,
Can i ask is it galvanised or plain sheet,If galvanised as you probable know dangerous stuff to weld,
I had a very bad experience myself some years ago.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 02, 2014, 05:49:29 PM
The rear section is galvanised, so naturally precautions will be taken. Always a good idea to point this out though.  :)

Due to difficulty in making large compound curves, I'm going to try a massive cheat regarding the rear end.
Moggy Minor bonnet. This will have 8" taken out of the centre which will sharpen the rear (or is that front?) considerably. The bottom flare out will be removed and an infill panel put in to get the height right. Or it might end up a pile of scrap.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 02, 2014, 08:25:14 PM
When you told me about that the other day I thought it was a brilliant idea. I thought the flat swage down the centre of the bonnet would add some interesting detail to the design & imagined the flare on the edges would line up almost perfectly with the outside edges of your chassis -not so? Can we see a photo of your rear end please?  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: BikerGran on September 02, 2014, 09:03:26 PM
Or even your vehicle's rear end.........

 :P


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 02, 2014, 09:05:47 PM
Ok here's a pic of my arse.
I know what you mean Andy but I can't take 4" out of each side and have it match up with the centre. Still plan on using the flared bottom section as the basis of the frame covers at the rear. Just have to add a bit each side.
The bonnet looks really scabby but it's just paint. It has never been filled or otherwise messed with.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 02, 2014, 09:22:20 PM
That should work very nicely. You didn't make Heather the Post Lady lug that up your driveway did you?!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: hunter on September 02, 2014, 09:46:25 PM
Talking of post lady's,Are you going to be working on sunday's now Andy.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 02, 2014, 10:01:34 PM
That should work very nicely. You didn't make Heather the Post Lady lug that up your driveway did you?!
Nope  :) Though she has been delivering bits and has had a look at what I'm doing.
This is hopefully, sort of what it should look like when narrowed.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 03, 2014, 08:36:49 AM
Perfect. Heather used to own a trike, (Honda CX500 engined I think). 
Royal Mail are in the habit of telling the public what we're doing before they bother to tell us. They've vaguely talked about trialling Sunday services, but that's all we've heard.
I'd imagine it'd be a very limited service done by a couple of guys on overtime, just delivering large parcels or Special Delivery items in a van, rather than the whole workforce.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 03, 2014, 08:48:50 AM
If you start working Sundays the pop will never get finished !
Lots of complicated cutting and welding to get it to look like that though and I know there is a lot of built in stresses in that bonnet from  pressing. When it gets cut god know what is going to happen :-\


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 03, 2014, 08:59:24 AM
Ba-doing!
My day off today, so will be at the workshop later.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: kapri on September 03, 2014, 11:54:40 AM
Nice lateral thinking Dave :)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 04, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
First got the idea a while ago when looking at pics of the Morris Mosquito.
Took the plunge and cut the bonnet up. Didn't turn into a pretzel, so the two halves have been tacked back together. Doesn't look so much like a Moggy bonnet and I'm pleased with the result so far.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 04, 2014, 08:19:54 PM
Perfect.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: hunter on September 04, 2014, 09:48:47 PM
Looks good that 8).


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 08, 2014, 09:35:55 PM
Well it doesn't look quite so good at the moment. Added 85mm of depth to it today. Spent two hours just trying to get it all lined up to butt weld the seams but had to give up. So it's going to have lap welds and I will have to tidy things up later. Also have made up the engine mounts and finalised the position of the engine and gearbox.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 08, 2014, 09:38:01 PM
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Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: poprodder on September 09, 2014, 12:05:10 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Valley-Gas-Speed-Shop/286815321872


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 09, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
Thanks for the link  :) Interesting project. Personally wouldn't try to copy a previous design, especially one so famous. Not only could I not afford it, I'm nowhere near good enough to pull it off.
I prefer the original design for the front end and this I am tempted to nick ideas from.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: triker_Chewie on September 09, 2014, 08:10:50 PM
would these have helped with th elining up? ive made a bunce but not used them yet
(http://www.speedwerx.com.au/images/products/4f4d7ed1c82e5buttweld_clamp.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/the-rodster/IMG_7460.jpg)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 09, 2014, 08:19:27 PM
Clever.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 10, 2014, 07:22:05 AM
would these have helped with th elining up? ive made a bunce but not used them yet
(http://www.speedwerx.com.au/images/products/4f4d7ed1c82e5buttweld_clamp.jpg)

Do'h !
Yep, those and another pair of hands would have been great.  I would have needed a lot though. Trying to line up 32ft of wobbly edges was impossible.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on September 11, 2014, 09:08:48 AM
a mates model A boattial has Moggy bonnet's for the tail mate... will try and find a pic...


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on September 11, 2014, 09:17:46 AM
not the best pic's I'm afraid  :-[ :-[


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: merv on September 11, 2014, 09:52:04 AM
I like that


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 11, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
Nice.  :)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 14, 2014, 10:28:27 PM
Same car at the Hot Rod Drags in Stratford on Avon today.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 14, 2014, 10:29:16 PM
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Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 14, 2014, 10:30:07 PM
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Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 14, 2014, 10:47:32 PM
Like those headlights and really want that steering wheel.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: panthershaun on September 15, 2014, 08:58:23 AM
nice one Andy, what did you think of the Turbo'd motor  8)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 15, 2014, 07:06:58 PM
It was big & very turboey.
I'm never sure about those lights -I've forgotten what make they are. Loony will know as he follows trends far more than I do. They're much sought after by the guys who want all the correct period accessories, so probably horrendously expensive. Personally I always think they look very modern, like projector beam units, rather than vintage looking.
This was quite a big car, with very tall bodywork, but I think the Moggy bonnet idea will work very nicely on your lightweight little Special Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Archie on September 15, 2014, 07:08:11 PM
Lights are e and j style ones?


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Archie on September 15, 2014, 07:09:48 PM
http://www.hotroddisorder.com/p/e-inside-light.html?m=1


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 15, 2014, 07:18:44 PM
There ya go. Archie's a trend follower too.  :) (joking Arch'!).


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 15, 2014, 07:32:33 PM
Not planning on using those light on this build. Going for something either integrated or agricultural. Not made up my mind yet :-\
Bit of a catch 22 situation. To sort out the rear body I need to position the seats. To fix the position of the seats it would be helpful to sort out the steering column But then until I know where the seats are ......
Made a guess at it all and have lengthened the column. Not finally welded so changes can be made but it's pressed together so tight it will be a real ####
to take apart (made a label so I don't forget to weld). While the box was apart , I noticed the cam follower peg was worn, so a new one promptly made and pressed into place. Now free play at steering wheel is under an inch. That might sound a lot but it's a big wheel. May re bush the box sometime.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 15, 2014, 07:37:10 PM
Wondered about doing the same thing with the steering box in my Pop Dave. 2 inches of free play, but I'm told it's normal & the VOSA guy was quite happy with it, but driving it's definitely an acquired taste!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 15, 2014, 07:42:10 PM
Think the pop has worm and gear. The Morris has a Bishop Cam steering box.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 15, 2014, 07:58:12 PM
Just part of the fun of vintage driving!


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 16, 2014, 06:04:16 AM
Just part of the fun of vintage driving!
You mean things like, steering that has a mind of it's own, tall skinny crossplys that are never quite round with suspect grip levels, suspension from an ox cart, uncomfortable, draughty, noisy, oily,.................. ? Oh such fun!
 ;D

May have a bit of a problem. :( With the seats and steering wheel roughly in place, I realise that while I will be able to get in ok, getting out again might be a problem ( unless someone has a 'sky hook' I can use ). Just too old and stiff, so may have to fit doors  :(
Hopefully  make them so that they are not to obvious, but it would add complication.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: triker_Chewie on September 16, 2014, 07:11:47 AM
LAMBO SCISSOR DOORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/425/4061/38562030202_large.jpg)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 16, 2014, 08:14:35 AM
 :D Now that really would add complication.
Looks like I wont have to re bush the steering box housing after all. Just bought a new one on evil bay.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: kapri on September 16, 2014, 08:47:24 AM
Lights are e and j style ones?

Yup,same as I had on my old B modified.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: triker_Chewie on September 16, 2014, 10:34:15 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 16, 2014, 08:31:00 PM
You mean things like, steering that has a mind of it's own, tall skinny crossplys that are never quite round with suspect grip levels, suspension from an ox cart, uncomfortable, draughty, noisy, oily,.................. ? Oh such fun!

-that all sounds horribly familiar!
Welcome back Kev.  ;)

-and those doors are just ...wrong.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2014, 06:32:43 AM
Extended the gear lever just to see how bad it would be.  Neutral to second or forth, not bad but for first and third I would have to cut slots up into the dash :)  Got to fit a remote gear change to the remote gear change, or more likely alter the existing remote with a short shift adaptor, as for some reason I quite like the idea of the long lever.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 18, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
At least you're thinking of this stuff now Dave. If it was me I wouldn't discover that till after I'd finished it.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2014, 03:34:56 PM
 :D Sure that's not true.
A bad back means no garage today, so for diversional therapy I decided to wrap the steering wheel. It's a good idea to shut out the cat before you start because you will drop the ball of string.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2014, 03:40:37 PM
I used a fairly small diameter cord/string. A larger diameter would speed things up and give a fatter wheel but this is the look I am after.
A coat of varnish will stop it getting filthy or rotting but still giving good grip.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: the coppersmith on September 18, 2014, 05:21:58 PM
like that a lot, very period.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 18, 2014, 07:42:39 PM
I bought a wheel for our T bucket project a couple of weeks ago -it's waiting for you to bind at Loony's workshop Dave.  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
 :P
There are all sorts of fancy ways of doing this but I figured simple would be the best and easiest choice. So easy even a monkey could do it  ;)
The wheel is unusually in near perfect condition and it seems a shame to cover it up.
 


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 19, 2014, 01:31:58 PM
Probably one of the best bargains I've bought recently. A new old stock, cast iron steering box housing for 10. These wear, where the output shaft goes through. This would normally mean having the bore machined and bushes fitted. Don't think these have been made since the 1950s so I doubt there are many new ones about.
Will be easier to make a new column than separate the old one from it's housing, perhaps in stainless for a bit of bling


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 19, 2014, 08:48:24 PM
Yeah, I fancied having a go at string binding, maybe stained pale brown, (I was thinking of dying the string in tea). Is there a reason the string crosses the top spoke but not the other two Dave? Maybe to mark the top of the wheel as some race cars do?
We managed to break the aluminium casting on the Pop steering box before we'd even got the car on the road, by trying to turn the wheel beyond the end of it's travel. I found a second box & we're more careful with it now, never turning the steering wheel until the road wheels are rolling, but I do worry it'll go again at some point -it's the weakest link in the steering set-up.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 19, 2014, 09:42:46 PM
If you are worried about breaking the steering box, perhaps changing it to something stronger like a series II Land Rover one might be worth considering. The Morris one is cast steel, so unlikely to break but there is still quite a load on it when not rolling.
The stringing is like this because with a single stringing, when you reach a spoke the winding direction changes meaning on one spoke the cord has to go over the front. So I figured I'd make a feature of it.
Looking to put the lights, trafficators and horn switches into the wheel centre. With a foot operated dip switch. This should leave the dash clear of switches except for the ignition.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 19, 2014, 09:45:36 PM
Should look good.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 20, 2014, 07:54:22 PM
Not much room down the centre of the column but using small diameter wire and relays it should be possible  :-\  Have to look up if indicators  or trafficators are a legal requirement. If not might run without them. I can always give hand signals  :D

Seems since the vehicle was built after 1-1-1936 some form of indicators are required but it can be the side/tail lights or trafficators.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: gazzagood on September 20, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Dave you are a man of so many tallents
Very nice drawing tallent well done sir
Gaz


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: kapri on September 21, 2014, 02:28:37 PM
You are legally required to have indicators but up to August '65 they can be red . I've run red and modern motorists have no understanding of them :( . Personally feel it's safer  to run some discreet LED flashers. Have a look at 100E and Mk 1 Consul range for ready made mechanisms for centre mounting. Think Rover 90 -110 range use the same as well?


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 21, 2014, 03:08:17 PM
Yep, thanks Kev. Hope you are ok btw.
Finding centre mount indicators and horn is not too difficult but prices seem to be astronomical. Also not seen one with matching light switch so thought it easier to make my own.
At the moment I am trying to sort out the ridiculous gear lever situation. Rather than add a linkage system, I decided to try to reduce the throw on the existing remote. Quick change or short shift kits used to be around and the idea is based on these.
Machining the ball seat section off of another remote then bolting it on top allows me to change the gear lever pivot to actuator length. If I get my sums right the throw at the gear knob should be almost halved.
Now all I need to do is make a new gear lever to suit. :-\
The fancy drilled lever is a possible future idea. At the moment I will be happy with a plain one that works.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: kapri on September 21, 2014, 05:51:50 PM
Thanks for the concern Dave, all appears to be moving in the right direction :)


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 21, 2014, 07:30:09 PM
Good to see you typing fit again Kev.
Dave, you have far too many talents for one Monkey.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 22, 2014, 12:05:17 PM
Yep, I'm almost good at a lot of things. It's a shame that I'm not actually very good at anything.
New gear lever done (well, an old one modified) and it all works  :o


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Mendalot on September 23, 2014, 02:53:01 PM
Having increased the leverage from the pivot point to the selector end, will the weight of the gear lever, now want to drop into gear on its own? Just a thought.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 23, 2014, 06:24:56 PM
No it's the other way round.
I have to increase the length of the gear lever from pivot to knob. This would increase the leverage (and length of throw), but changing the pivot to selector length to keep the same ratio would stop this. I have actually increased the pivot to selector more than I would like (20mm)because of the minimum length of the casting required (27mm). This has resulted in a shorter throw that is slightly stiffer.


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 23, 2014, 06:29:40 PM
Ooh, I love it when you talk technical.  :-*


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Mendalot on September 23, 2014, 06:43:16 PM
No it's the other way round.
I have to increase the length of the gear lever from pivot to knob. This would increase the leverage (and length of throw), but changing the pivot to selector length to keep the same ratio would stop this. I have actually increased the pivot to selector more than I would like (20mm)because of the minimum length of the casting required (27mm). This has resulted in a shorter throw that is slightly stiffer.

Ahhh, I wondered if I had it the wrong way round :-[     ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds
Post by: Olds on September 29, 2014, 08:16:36 AM
Nothing of any substance to report, as problems with my back has kept me out of the garage for the past week or so. Have spent the time restoring the speedometer and trying to work out the body framing. Have decided on a tubular steel frame, with panels riveted in place. This is largely down to not being competent at ally welding but also I have enough suitable seamless tube (if I don't mess up the bending  ::)).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 29, 2014, 09:15:13 AM
Get well soon ol' chap.  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 29, 2014, 06:19:20 PM
Thanks. Getting better. At least I'm off the Codeine now. Not being able to get into the garage drives me nuts.
Refurbished speedo. It started of looking like it had been stored in a bucket of rusty water and to be honest I would have thrown it away, but it gave me something to do. It was a 6" black faced Smiths speedo and I could just make out the tpm and where the numbers used to be.
How accurate it now is, I have no idea. It's not perfect but it's unique and it works .


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 29, 2014, 06:50:58 PM
You're a very clever chap Dave.
Id've been tempted to add the car's name or something to the face while I had it apart. Or replaced the numbers with "slow", "a bit faster" etc. I used to have a mate who's bike speedo had a brass face engraved with Roman numerals.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on September 29, 2014, 09:17:44 PM
Nice work olds,
I sympathise with the back I'm having a bit of it myself.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: panthershaun on October 01, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
sounds like a plan with the body work, rivet's and overlap.. just like an old plane  ;D and I'd happily trade you your bad back for my complete lack of motivation sir, doing my head in completely not being able to get interested in stuff that has been my passion for over 35 years  >:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 01, 2014, 02:58:16 PM
I'm not suffering from lack of motivation Shaun, just an abundance of indecision.
Lots of scraping of old paint and what appears to be solidified waxoil from the chassis and then coating with rust converter where it's not clean metal. Doing it bit at a time as it's so tedious. The new front lever arm dampers that had been fitted are wrong and the chassis butchered to make them fit. Found a matched pair of old ones in the box of bits that will fit properly but the arms were  1.5" too long, so out with the angle grinder and welder. Scarf jointed and v butt prepped they should be fine. Cleaned drained and filled with fresh oil they work perfectly. Will have to make new drop links from rose joints, as originals are not available.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 01, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
"Scarf jointed"?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 01, 2014, 08:33:53 PM
An odd phrase.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 02, 2014, 07:25:55 PM
Cash is naturally in short supply for any build, so not willing to shell out 80 + for a starter motor, I bought one on evil bay for 99p + P&P (10) A bit of a gamble, but despite being made in 1963 and looking rough, turns out to be in really excellent condition, just needing a good strip down, clean and repaint.  :)
Have made a start on the body to chassis rails. These may take a while as they have to exactly follow the line of the chassis rails which bow out and also kick up at both ends.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: phunkie hiboy on October 02, 2014, 08:29:11 PM
Will have to make new drop links from rose joints, as originals are not available.

Plenty available, different sizes, from Moss. Just got to find the right length/application.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 02, 2014, 09:02:09 PM
Thanks. Yep tried them. Looks like the drop links for the front were peculiar to the Morris eight series E (37-49) and the Wolseley version. Think the MG that shared the body had a different suspension set up. The nearest I can find that 'might' fit, are early Sherpa and they would need cutting and welding to change the angles and length. I will still look for a pair of the correct type.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on October 02, 2014, 10:07:15 PM
Will have to make new drop links from rose joints, as originals are not available.

Plenty available, different sizes, from Moss. Just got to find the right length/application.

Handy info Chris, need to get some for my levers ,ta :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 04, 2014, 07:52:19 AM
Body to chassis rails nearly finished. Made a J section. The idea being that it's lighter and easier to bolt down than box, stronger than angle, easy to rivet through using solid rivets and the top edge being rolled over will not crease the alloy body panels. The whole body tub will be fixed to the chassis by six bolts each side through these rails.
Well that's the general idea anyway :)
Never sure how much detail to go into in these posts, but as there's not a lot else going on in HotRod Tech at the moment, I will carry on as work progresses.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Dslam on October 04, 2014, 11:09:58 AM
I don't post much on here but I watch the builds.
I am building a blown Triumph 'historic' drag bike at the moment from scratch and I find lots of stuff from other peoples builds that I can take away and use or adapt so keep up the posts as there are more people interested than you may realise! ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 04, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
That's definitely true Andy. I get feed back from time to time from readers who never post, but drop in daily/weekly/whatever to check progress on their favourite builds. We're all here because we like building stuff, so your audience is already interested before you start Dave. Nothing new to report on my own hotrod build at the moment, (just endlessly adding filler & sanding it smooth, (ish), so keep up the good work chap.  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on October 04, 2014, 07:40:24 PM
There is nothing quite as interesting as poking your nose into another engineers workshop and keeping abreast of what he is up to ......... so I say :- GOD BLESS THE INTERNET and sites like this :D  Keep it coming boys.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 04, 2014, 09:20:32 PM
Thanks for that. Will keep on posting as and when progress is made.
Trying to get into a different mind-set. It's supposed to be a very basic, Brooklands inspired two seater, with a bit of a twist. But I find myself doing things like smoothing out welds that wont even show. ::)
New mantra. Keep it simple, basic and minimal.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 04, 2014, 10:23:27 PM
Ha! I'm not the only one then!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 06, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
 >:( Spent the day trying to make a hoop for behind the seats, that matches rear end (reshaped bonnet). Got very close but no cigar and started to get frustrated :(
Think it best if I move on to one of the many other things that need doing, then come back to it another time.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 06, 2014, 09:00:51 PM
That makes sense to me, knowing you it will all come together in the end


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 08, 2014, 07:55:35 PM
Fed up of balancing the seats on bits of off cut, thought perhaps some floor panels should be next on the list to do. Not very exciting I know but at least it's progress. Made from 12mm exterior ply , managed to do five out of the six before having to give it all a rest for a while. These will of course need thoroughly sealing.
Pic also shows the body mounting rails temporarily positioned.
Looks more and more likely that not having doors may become a real problem in the near future, so thinking of a compromise, a door on the drivers side only. This would still allow a side mount exhaust and stiffen the body a bit while allowing easier access. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 08, 2014, 09:49:23 PM
No doors on the 3 Wheeler I'm building,Olds, but the sides are low, though I feel I shall still have to make the steering wheel QD otherwise my stiff old joints may present a problem in accessing the drivers seat!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ???..Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 09, 2014, 06:49:24 AM
It's not the getting in that's the problem, it's the getting back out again. :(
Of course there is always the option of having no sides. ;)
Whatever, some rethinking required !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on October 09, 2014, 08:52:45 AM
I know that feeling. I've had to stop lusting after certain cars as they are simply impossible for me to get out of:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 10, 2014, 05:25:45 PM
The last floor panel is made and fitted. :) So back to the framing. To quote a fellow monkey "there's nowt as light as a hole, so add lightness". I spent a good while adding a lot of lightness's to what I suppose you could call the A posts. Made from 40x20 box section these will be where two sections of skinning meet. The holes are perfect for the look I'm after and also allows access to set the solid rivets.
Holes and dome head rivets will be a big feature of this build.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 10, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
Trying to find a supply of 1/8" rivets, found most want about 10 for 50. As I will be using a lot, I was lucky to find someone with a quantity of WWII surplus, at a very reasonable price, so I bought all he had, but that was only 500 so will have to keep looking. Think I will need another 400.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on October 10, 2014, 06:09:28 PM
The last floor panel is made and fitted. :) So back to the framing. To quote a fellow monkey "there's nowt as light as a hole, so add lightness". I spent a good while adding a lot of lightness's to what I suppose you could call the A posts. Made from 40x20 box section these will be where two sections of skinning meet. The holes are perfect for the look I'm after and also allows access to set the solid rivets.
Holes and dome head rivets will be a big feature of this build.


I hate to think how long that took Dave ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 10, 2014, 06:21:54 PM
Two hours stood at the pillar drill. Really must get a stool out there.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on October 10, 2014, 07:26:32 PM
What gauge is it then ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 10, 2014, 07:34:08 PM
14 swg 2mm wall. Main thing was not to wear out the hole saw, so took it slowly.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 10, 2014, 07:45:08 PM
Who keeps bags of World War 2 rivets?! You sure you're not building a Lancaster Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on October 10, 2014, 07:56:39 PM
i remember doing those at school,are you doing them by hand with the 2 dolly things or do you have an air version  ???


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 10, 2014, 08:13:49 PM
Not enough room in the garage for a four engine bomber :'( as for the rivets, I can only relay what I was told.
Will set them by hand. Got a bid in on some vintage tools at the moment, but if necessary I can always make them.
Think I will have to buy a few, or perhaps more than a few, 1/8" drill bits


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 10, 2014, 09:48:20 PM
Back in the day, the first "Special" I ever built was based on a 1935 Austin 7, and me and my Dad boxed the inverted channel chassis with lengths of 1/8"" plate, hand rivitted in the manner you are using, Olds. No welding gear available to me then.. :o :o :o :o :o, but an interesting excercise, particularly as all the holes were drilled with a hand brace, now that was hard,.ho hum, days gone by.......................


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on October 11, 2014, 12:47:45 AM
hail to the cordless drill and self drilling screws!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 11, 2014, 08:12:57 AM
hail to the cordless drill and self drilling screws!
Barbarian !  :D

D'oh ! Thought the rivets looked a little big and it turns out they are 5/32" (0.156") dia. not 1/8" (0.125"). Not a problem, just means that I will be making my own tooling after all.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on October 11, 2014, 09:13:01 AM
Hi Olds, great piece of work. You have really got my old damaged brain working, first with scarf joints now with rivet snaps. As an old world Coppersmith I spent ages setting and snapping rivets on such diverse things as water boilers and divers helmets. Mostly copper, we had to make our own tooling as a test piece, once examined and passed it stayed with me for years, probably still out in the shed in the old wooden tool box which is the resting place for a Lotus twin cam engine at present. As for scarf joints, we had to reduce the thickness by planishing or thinning 50% then we would cut dove tails in the sheet, push them together and braze together, used to look good if you got it right, then along came Tig welding and all those old skills got pushed to one side, profit became more important.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 11, 2014, 12:05:33 PM
Thank you sir. From a time served tradesman, praise indeed.
Still have a few of my old apprentice piece tools.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on October 11, 2014, 10:50:01 PM
Jeez Chewie,What's that horrible monster in your avitar,
Looks like somthing out of starwars. ;D ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on October 12, 2014, 07:37:28 AM
i thought it looked like Brian Blessed


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on October 12, 2014, 09:13:48 AM
Brian Blessed's beard is singularly amazing!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 12, 2014, 12:45:44 PM
 :D
Cross brace with steering column mounting. Not the prettiest welding but, as it will be behind the dash it wont be seen.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 16, 2014, 08:03:31 PM
Nice. Like the wholly holey gussets too.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 17, 2014, 07:36:25 AM
Thanks. Not been able to do a thing for the last week due to back problems  :( So have been trawling fleabay buying stuff I will eventually need.
Managed to pick up a nice brass and chrome calormeter for the front as well as other various bits.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 17, 2014, 08:03:30 PM
calorimeter?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on October 17, 2014, 08:14:02 PM
Calormeter  you know what they are, like a temp gauge that fits into the top of the rad.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 17, 2014, 08:44:19 PM
Calorimeter/calormeter.
Yep its a Wilmot Breedon one from the 20s/30s. Supposedly does work so I will have to make a reservoir for the sensing tube in the top hose. Not planning on drilling the radiator grill, but mounting it in a small panel between the top of the bonnet and grill.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 17, 2014, 08:50:27 PM
Ahh -nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on October 17, 2014, 08:54:39 PM
Nice touch Dave will make it look special. Can you refurbish them? Are they bi-metal springs,and can you get them apart.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 18, 2014, 12:16:58 PM
Yep they can be refurbished to a degree (pun intended). Yes they work by a bi-metal strip acting on a geared quadrant driving a pinion on the indicator pivot and yes they come apart.
It arrived in the post today and as expected the chrome is not great but I plan on painting the main body and leaving the two bezel rings brass for contrast.
Apart from needing a new seal on one glass (easily done)it needs no other work. Tested in water at 90 C it moves smoothly to normal. Not bad for an Edwardian era instrument.
Looking through some period WB catalogues, shows that chrome plated mascots and instruments were more expensive than silver plated.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 18, 2014, 06:07:09 PM
That's really nice Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on October 18, 2014, 10:15:58 PM
That's really nice Dave.

NOT really nice Andy  ........... BLOODY GORGEOUS  ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 21, 2014, 12:21:54 PM
 :D
This bad back is really holding things up. >:(
Managed to get the rear/side frame covers cut out. These are 1 metre long and will shape the rear end, because they support the tail section are made of 18 swg steel. Just need to fold the top edges over to mount the apron sections on (still to be made) and do cut outs for the rear shackles.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 21, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
So they go either side of the boat tail? Hope the back gets better soon mate.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 21, 2014, 10:28:36 PM
Thanks Andy. Spent part of the afternoon having X-rays and blood tests  :(
Yep either side of the chassis and sheet metal going across the back to support the boat tail at the right height.
Well that is if it works out.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 22, 2014, 08:16:07 AM
I'm sure it will


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 22, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
Think it might at that. Managed to get one side pretty much done and in place. Looks a bit bulky, so will have to think about a swage line or hammering in some sort of design to break up the flat side.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 22, 2014, 05:13:12 PM
That's really nice Dave. Mount the rear lights off the flat sides to break them up a bit?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 22, 2014, 10:45:17 PM
Most of the flat section will be behind the Brooklands/Velocette style silencer I plan on fitting each side.
Thinking of using a modified 3 into 2 LCB exhaust manifold with cylinders 1 & 4 exiting left hand side, 2 & 3 coming out on the drivers side. Should give an alternating beat each side. Any ideas on this ? Performance not being an issue.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 24, 2014, 03:26:11 PM
Rear body cross member panel (valance). Rather than a straight panel, I decided to follow the lines of the modified bonnet so it's slightly pointed in the centre. The top edge has also been shaped to fit as it's easier than reshaping the rear ( front ) of edge of afore mentioned bonnet. Next on the list will be the triangular infill sections.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 24, 2014, 07:22:00 PM
That really does look rather nice Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 25, 2014, 10:21:58 AM
Thanks. All looks a bit of a mess at the moment, but should look OK once finished (I hope).
Infill sections just about done. Not quite a perfect fit, but close.  Stepping the edge for the sides of the tail to sit in towards the rear, is awkward because of the curvature. Nearly ready to weld and rivet it all together, then I can concentrate on the inner bracing and rear pivots.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on October 25, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
(http://ozrodders.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1923)
same but different


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 25, 2014, 05:57:33 PM
I'm liking that, a lot


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on October 25, 2014, 07:39:30 PM
VERY, VERY, impressive. I wish I could think up ideas like this, or similar ones, or any ideas full stop ! ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 28, 2014, 12:38:08 PM
Hmmm. Can't see Chewie's picture so I will assume those nice comments are about mine  :D
Bits temporarily pop riveted and screwed together. Want to do some small modifications/adjustments before final assembly, but this shows what I intend. The general idea is the whole rear end, can easily be hinged up or removed completely.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: panthershaun on October 30, 2014, 09:25:32 AM
love it sir.... wonderful job......


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 31, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
Thanks Shaun.
The search for parts, at reasonable prices continues and Christmas has come early. A pair of new Brooklands aero screens bought for less than damaged second hand ones .  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on October 31, 2014, 02:22:27 PM
I'd been looking for a cheap single one for ages, ended up making my own version:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 31, 2014, 07:25:30 PM
So have I!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 31, 2014, 08:11:49 PM
I got fed up of bidding on ones that had chipped glass or fitting missing only for then to sell for about 70 + 10 p&p for one.
Found these new, for 130 the pair, including delivery. Not exactly cheap but they should be perfect for the speedster. Unless I go for a cut down Duvall screen that is.  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 31, 2014, 08:17:28 PM
Yeah, I think you should go for a Duval screen - then sell one screen each to Kev & me! (Looking for a single one for the T bucket project).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 31, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Now of all members/visitors to this site, you Olds I would have put money on making those yourself!.I am surprised, really :o :o :o :o Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 31, 2014, 10:43:52 PM
I did actually consider that option (but not for long :D ) The cost of a Defender windscreen then getting it cut and the edges ground, let alone making the frames, made me decide it wasn't worth the effort.
 A previous attempt at cutting laminated glass didn't go too well  :-[


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 31, 2014, 11:06:59 PM
Get your drift, but what about an industrial grade perspex, the sort of thing you would make guarding from? as an alternative to Laminated glass. Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 01, 2014, 04:52:49 AM
Yep, something like 6mm Lexan/Makrolon would be fine.
Looking to make a pair of screen mounting aprons as fitted to MG T types.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on November 01, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
I used 6mm Lexan on mine in the end as well.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 02, 2014, 09:25:34 AM
Did you make any sort of frame Kev, or just use brackets ?
Used to use Makrolon over roll cages. It's incredibly tough and often wondered if it could be used as an alternative body skin material but then it's also expensive.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on November 02, 2014, 03:45:18 PM
Used the lean itself with through U clamps but then cloaked it in ali strip to look like it was actually sitting in a frame.

PM me your e mail and I'll send a piccie direct as I struggle with loading photos on here.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 02, 2014, 09:25:06 PM
PM sent  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 06, 2014, 03:18:21 PM
Not been able to really do anything still, so been thinking about construction. It's mainly going to be riveted but some areas will have to be done with pop rivets as I will not be able to get to the back to set them. Hate the look of these so worked out an easy mod to make them look like the solid domed rivets.
On the left is a solid aluminium rivet. Pop rivet on the right. In the centre is a pop rivet with a nickel plated upholstery nail, knocked through the rivet and epoxied in place.   


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: twisted on November 06, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
clever as ever dave  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on November 06, 2014, 07:04:50 PM
clever as ever dave  ;)


My thoughts exactly


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on November 07, 2014, 08:39:45 PM
Why are you upholstering that piece of box section? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 07, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
 ;D
Morrag you sir are a genius !
 I can turn the steel bucket seat frames into Chesterfield, deep buttoned leather seats with traditional edge nailing ! ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on November 07, 2014, 10:49:02 PM
Well, there you go then, I'm just greatful the old skills are not dead!! and of course there are no consultancy fees charged :D however.................................... :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 09, 2014, 01:39:30 PM
Rear end welded and now riveted. Time to add some filler and then sand 95 per cent off again ::) This is not going to be a show vehicle so I have no intention on spending too much time on this.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on November 09, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
this is the pic i tried to share earlier
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/chewie66666/untitled_zps2e6a42d4.jpg)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on November 09, 2014, 03:00:28 PM
That looks extremely neat and tidy,Olds, takes me back to the first "special" I ever built, when, due to lack of welding gear, me and my Dad "boxed" the Austin 7 chassis it was based on, using riveted on plates in similar manner, ho hum, days gone by.......................... ::) ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 09, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
Beautifully done Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on November 09, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
Strange, today I was looking at one of those American Airstream Caravans. Rivets everywhere, just like yours, good workmanship everywhere.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: phunkie hiboy on November 09, 2014, 09:04:10 PM
Bit like this then!!

(http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy95/phunkie_hiboy/Airsteam%20trailer/picture198_640_x_480.jpg)

Had a count up not so long ago (someone wanted to know how many rivets) and there's a little over 2000!!  :o



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 10, 2014, 08:35:26 AM
Lovely trailer !
Luckily I shouldn't need 2000 rivets  :o. Just had a rough measure up and guess I will need another 500.
D'oh! Forgot the bonnet and front apron, so it's now nearer 750.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 14, 2014, 11:40:09 AM
Finally happy with how the back end looks. Need to get some etch primer on it, but that stuff stinks ,so hoping for a couple of dry days to do it outside. Time to start on the main body tub.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on November 14, 2014, 11:48:51 AM
Cracking progress Dave :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 14, 2014, 11:42:27 PM
Thanks Kev. Slowly getting there. Trying to get a balance between 30s roadster and late Edwardian steampunk. It would be very easy to go too far into the fantasy genre with this one.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on November 15, 2014, 09:34:28 AM
Like what your doing Dave, will this be at Basingstoke


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 15, 2014, 10:55:57 AM
Probably not next year. Not planning on having it on the road until 2016.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on November 17, 2014, 08:36:48 AM
found this late last night while cruising the internet, looks similar??


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 21, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
Very nice. Bentley R type Petersen 6.5 supercharged. A lot lower than mine will end up (underslung chassis) and a bit more expensive  :D
Not a lot to show at the moment. Just spent two days slowly bending up the tubing that will form the cockpit perimeter (top edge). Made from three lengths of 16mm OD 3mm wall cds tube.  11 bends, 8 of them compound (two different directions and differing radii). Followed by three large progressive bends to get it all to match  the chassis curved chassis rails and rear section and it all has to be symmetrical. At times it was really doing my head in. :P  Should have started off with a straight framed chassis.
Think I have it all sorted and hopefully will weld it up to the mounting rails and the steering support soon.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 21, 2014, 10:12:01 PM
Can't imagine how that'll look -it's like watching someone put a jigsaw puzzle together when you can't see the picture on the box  :)
Hope your back's feeling better now Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 22, 2014, 11:47:02 AM
Thanks. The back is slowly getting better, but can only work for a couple of hours before wanting to lay down.  :(
'Jigsaw'  tack welded together  (hope it makes sense now). Just need to make the supports that go between this and the base frame/front hoop. These will be a combination of 40 x 20 box (drilled like the front hoop) 16mm cds and 8mm round bar.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 22, 2014, 12:15:49 PM
Aah, yep, now I see.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 23, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
Front supports made with more holey gussets. These will be on view so trying to make them look a little bit nicer than plain ones. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on November 23, 2014, 03:20:24 PM
Nice detail. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 24, 2014, 07:55:13 PM
Thanks.
More brackets and Gussets made. Slowly working my way around the cockpit. Hand rolled and wired edges take some time in 1.5mm steel, but give a nice finish. Perhaps I should invest in a beading machine.
As you can see the sides are going to be very low.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on November 24, 2014, 11:08:31 PM
Real craftsmanship there Dave,  I know it would be difficult, but I would love to see some pictures of how you work the metal to get the edges on the gussets, what do you use as an anvil?  What about a tutorial video, esteemed Master??


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2014, 12:38:04 PM
No problem.
I use my large vice and whatever lumps of metal I have laying around to beat the sheet on.
The following pics show forming a wired edge and a beaded edge
Bending allowance I use is 3 x wire diameter for wired  and 1.5 x for beaded
First you knock the edges over along the scribed line being sure not to form a tight bend.
For beaded this needs to be 90 deg. For wired, I knock it over a bit further.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2014, 12:52:20 PM
The wire is the put in place and the edge slowly hammered over, making sure to keep the wire trapped in place. This is a plain wired edge, flat on the side that would normally be seen.
To get a raised wired edge, you need to make a former. For thin gauge steel a bit hard wood is good (mahogany chair leg  :)) for thick stuff over 1.5mm, a lump of brass will do or you can make a tool from steel. Main thing is it has to have no sharp edges that can dig into the work.
With the seam side down, slowly move the former along the edge hammering as you go. Do this lightly, in several passes to avoid creasing the metal.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2014, 01:00:28 PM
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Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
To get a beaded edge the wire is just used to stop the bead collapsing as you hammer the former, as you would for a wired edge and it's helpful to hold the wire in place with some masking tape.
On heavier gauge steel, I use a tool I made for making swage lines, instead of using a wooden former (that, and a bigger hammer  ;D).
There are probably real sheet metal workers having a real hissy fit over the way I do this but it works for me and I hope it helps someone else.   :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 25, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
It's a small detail, but makes a big difference to the finished look of the vehicle doesn't it.
Funny anvils should be mentioned -Mr Loon took delivery of a dirty great big blacksmiths anvil today Dave, (that's a big anvil, not a big blacksmith).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2014, 08:37:53 PM
The beaded or wired edges are also functional in that they stiffen the sheet steel ( can use a thinner gauge )and also get rid of sharp edges.


Funny anvils should be mentioned -Mr Loon took delivery of a dirty great big blacksmiths anvil today Dave, (that's a big anvil, not a big blacksmith).
Perhaps a forge next. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on November 25, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
We used to wire the front and rear wings on old Rollers and Bentleys, in the restoration shop at Mulliner Park Ward. Your way of doing it Dave is as good as any other.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on November 25, 2014, 10:50:50 PM
Cheers Dave, very interesting reading. Its great to pick up these tips for future reference. 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on November 25, 2014, 11:08:21 PM
We used to wire the front and rear wings on old Rollers and Bentleys, in the restoration shop at Mulliner Park Ward. Your way of doing it Dave is as good as any other.

When were you there ? Did you know Lance ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on November 25, 2014, 11:47:57 PM
That cat will tip that anvil over if its not carefull..................................... :P :P :P :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 26, 2014, 10:32:07 AM
It's probably the coldest place in the whole workshop for it to sit.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on November 26, 2014, 11:45:33 AM
there used to be something about sitting on cold surfaces, got m ear clipped a few times when I was a lad. ;D
Olds, that is near enough the correct way to do it, even your formula aint that far a way. Great work, good to see old skills being used. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on November 26, 2014, 12:41:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202089379476243


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: markju on November 26, 2014, 12:45:52 PM
Hi olds. Fascinating reading all this. Just one question though, I can see the difference between a beaded and a wired edge no problem but why two different methods of edging, what I mean is where would you use one in preference to other?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 26, 2014, 02:11:32 PM
what I mean is where would you use one in preference to other?
Really depends on the application.
The top gussets (on the right) are to a large extent decorative items at an ugly junction. Made from 0.9mm steel with a beaded edge and radius edge holes. They are quite strong but still very light.
The bottom brace/gussets (left) are more structural and as such are made from 1.6mm steel, with two wired edges. The wire used being 3mm dia steel rod. Much heavier.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: markju on November 26, 2014, 05:10:24 PM
Right, that makes sense thank you. Always good to learn something new.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on November 26, 2014, 07:40:10 PM
We used to wire the front and rear wings on old Rollers and Bentleys, in the restoration shop at Mulliner Park Ward. Your way of doing it Dave is as good as any other.

When were you there ? Did you know Lance ?
I was there from 1970 to 73 I didn't finish my apprenticeship went chasing more money. I don't recall a Lance, I spent most of my time with an old boy called Freddie Widham a real artist with metal was Fred.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on November 28, 2014, 06:04:45 PM
I think he would have been an apprentice around that time as he's roughly my age. He ended up doing final fit and quality inspections before leaving to start his own company. He does top end restorations nowadays as Romance of Rust.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 30, 2014, 08:52:11 AM
Body frame nearly finished apart from final welding etc. Front scuttle hoop is made from thick wall 20mm square  box section that I managed to bend without collapsing the walls.
 I will make the firewall and foot wells as a separate sub assembly, so that the body tub can be easily removed without affecting the pedals or steering column. Only dashboard electrics, and speedo cable will need to be disconnected.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on November 30, 2014, 10:28:24 AM
thats shaping up nicely


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 30, 2014, 05:45:18 PM
Lookin' good Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on December 02, 2014, 12:22:55 PM
I expect a man of your standing has already seen this, but it was pointed out to me today while wandering through the drawing office    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMk-uJ35T0c thought it may be of some use and didn't know where else to post it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: phunkie hiboy on December 02, 2014, 06:22:33 PM
Ron's a good friend of ours and stays with us when he's in the UK. He really knows his stuff and you can't go wrong by copying his methods. He was instrumental in helping sort the corners on the "Airstream" trailer. I have some of his DVDs here if some one wants to borrow or they're always on you tube.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 02, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
Seen a lot of his work and he makes it look so easy.
I'm not a sheet metal man and don't have the space or money for all the tooling, so for me it's lumps of steel and wood and a large assortment of hammers.  I must admit to wanting an English wheel and a roller/ beading machine, though it's probably a bit late for me now as I don't see myself doing another build after this one.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: phunkie hiboy on December 02, 2014, 07:43:53 PM
He's been around a while, he was fabricating dragster bodies in the '60s. He has the philosophy of doing the basics really simply. To start shaping a panel, bend it over your knee or a similar shape to the piece you're making. And making simple tools to help you do stuff easier. There is no smoke and mirrors with him.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 04, 2014, 09:51:10 PM
Well my sheet metal tools can't get much simpler. For example my folding machine is two bits of angle in the vice a piece of wood and a big hammer  :D
Firewall made today using aforementioned folder. Could do with a 35mm hole saw for the master cylinders or might file out from the 30mm that I have.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 06, 2014, 05:20:04 PM
At last, a productive day.
Fire wall mounted. The top panel between the firewall and scuttle hoop, and dash area closing panel made. And it all fits together  ;D. Temp held in place with a few pop rivets.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 06, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
Slow down Dave - you're making the rest of us look bad! :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on December 06, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
Olds how much are you paying for sheet steel and what thickness/grade is it ,,


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 06, 2014, 09:29:26 PM
So far all the sheet steel is old stock. I was given some big sheets of 16 swg a few years ago (it's what I used on the trike). It's a bit on the heavy side but has helped keep costs down. Folding and putting in stiffening swage lines is hard work though.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on December 06, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
So far all the sheet steel is old stock. I was given some big sheets of 16 swg a few years ago (it's what I used on the trike). It's a bit on the heavy side but has helped keep costs down. Folding and putting in stiffening swage lines is hard work though.
only asked as i,m going to need queit a bit  we used to get some that was grey  it was real easy to work with and welded like butter  cant remember what grade it was or what it was called ,


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 06, 2014, 09:40:26 PM
Probably Zintec sheet. Not galvanised but has a extremely thin coat of zinc electroplated on.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 08, 2014, 11:32:36 AM
Offered up the pedals to check sizes etc. and despite having a very narrow gearbox/transmission tunnel, there is not a lot of room. I am going to have to put a blister on the side to accommodate the accelerator pedal. Thought this might happen and it's no big deal but it does mean that I may have to junk the idea of a foot operated dip switch. Looks like the switch will have to go in the steering wheel.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on December 08, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
I sat in a single seater like that with a blister side for the acceleartor , cool idea :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 08, 2014, 10:04:09 PM
Glad you like it Kev.
Having run out of sheet steel for the moment, I decided to finish off the blister for the bonnet where the dynamo would foul. After annealing the aluminium again, I managed to get another 10 mm in depth. Not a lot I could do about the planishing marks so decided make it a feature by tidying them up then polishing.
Quite like the effect.
Also have started on the one for the accelerator pedal. Will need annealing before I go any further so will have to wait till Mrs Olds is out so I can use the oven.
It's actually almost twice the size of the finished one, but doesn't look it in the pic.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on December 09, 2014, 08:03:25 AM
http://roddingroundtable.com/tech/articles/12ewheel.html


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 09, 2014, 11:24:57 AM
Thanks Chewie. Have thought about making one for a while, but always seem to be busy doing other things.
Ok, so the wife has gone out and have annealed it once and given it a second bashing. Starting to look the right shape. Have just annealed it again. BTW the soap used to indicate temperature, stinks the kitchen out. If she comes back soon, I'm in trouble again.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 09, 2014, 07:25:44 PM
The shape came out fine. Will leave final planishing for another day as I've had enough of hammering for a while.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 13, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
After being dragged around the shops then hiding visiting the workshop (thanks Lunatic), didn't have much time today but managed to make the, firewall stiffening/pedals and master cylinders mounting plate out of 3.5mm aluminium plate.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 20, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
One of the advantages of not being able to sleep at night is, it gives me plenty of time to browse ebay. Latest purchase  is a genuine early Enots 2 3/4" Aston filler cap, in chrome on brass. Removed from a vintage coach it's showing some signs of age naturally but it saves me spending upward of 180 then bashing it around to make it look old. Total cost including postage 21  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 20, 2014, 09:05:18 AM
Ooh, that's nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 20, 2014, 10:59:43 AM
 :)  2 3/4" is the pipe size so it's quite big. Just have to make a fuel tank to go with it !  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: panthershaun on December 20, 2014, 12:36:41 PM
:)  2 3/4" is the pipe size so it's quite big. Just have to make a fuel tank to go with it !  :D

sounds easy when you say it like that  8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 20, 2014, 10:42:09 PM
Making a tank is easy. Getting it to hold liquid, that's totally different .  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on December 22, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
Can't you crimp the joins over, then silver solder the joints to make them liquid proof.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 24, 2014, 11:03:26 AM
Yep, you can. The trike one was made of fairly heavy gauge steel because of it's location in the pickup bed, so this I seam welded.
For the speedster, it will be much thinner steel  so will tin the surfaces, use interlocking seams, then run solder into the seams.
Couldn't find a organ pedal type accelerator pad that I liked, so made this one. Don't think any engravers will feel at risk, but it's good enough to put your foot on.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 24, 2014, 04:26:51 PM
Damn you & your infinite skills!  >:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on December 24, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Damn you & your infinite skills!  >:(


You beat me to it, How can any one person have soooooo much talent


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 26, 2014, 09:02:08 AM
 :D
Don't think there's much skill or talent involved. Just patience/boredom and a cheap Dremel  :)
I was thinking of matching clutch and brake, but it's probably safer to use rubber.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on December 26, 2014, 12:10:12 PM
:D
Don't think there's much skill or talent involved. Just patience/boredom and a cheap Dremel  :)
I was thinking of matching clutch and brake, but it's probably safer to use rubber.


You keep telling yourself that and the rest of us will look on through the eyes of the green eye monster  ;D
To be honest its a joy to watch your efforts come to life :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 27, 2014, 09:31:03 AM
 :-[ :-* :D
Thanks Merv. It was fun so I might do some more. I sort of got lost half way through, so will draw it out first in future.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 31, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
Sorted the throttle pedal lever and trial fitted the pedals. Pic shows why I will need a bulge in the RH side.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 31, 2014, 07:22:11 PM
Looking rather fabulous Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 31, 2014, 08:56:10 PM
Thanks. Need to make some adjustments. The accelerator pedal is too close to the brake. I may have room to move it across, that will mean a new floor panel because of the mounting holes, or I may have to make a narrower pedal. :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 31, 2014, 10:11:17 PM
Ahh, the joys of building. I've lost count of the number of times we had to remake parts of my Pop to accomodate new pieces -still doing it now.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 08, 2015, 07:10:14 PM
Not been much "joy" recently but managed to spent the afternoon making some master cylinder spacers from aluminium, to adjust the reach and height of the pedals. They were a tad close and I couldn't shorten the pushrods any further.
Also started on the ... can you guess what it is ?.. . Made from 12mm steel plate and hopefully will be finished tomorrow


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Bus Boy on January 08, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
STEEL THING WITH HOLES IN? ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 08, 2015, 09:25:03 PM
 :) In one of the early issues of AWOL or Back Street Heroes magazine, they ran a piece on basic bike rally cookery. The one implement they used was a spatula, referred to as the MSTWHI -Metal Shovelly Thing With Holes In.
No idea what it is Dave, but I'm intrigued -is that for something that requires 2 large mounting holes, with 2 possible positions?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 08, 2015, 10:55:43 PM
It was going to be cut into three parts to make the exhaust manifold plates, but have had a rethink and will start again, drilling the corners of the ports first (square ports). So now it's just, yet another paperweight. ::)
Or as Bus Boy put it " a steel thing with holes in it". :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 09, 2015, 03:17:13 PM
Central flange done. Not perfect but a hell of a lot better than the standard cast manifold. End ones still to do. Would have been easier if I had some 6mm plate in stock but at least I know they will not warp when welded to the tubes.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on January 09, 2015, 09:18:27 PM
And not a CAD programme in sight ......... show off     ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 10, 2015, 10:03:45 PM
  :P
Angle grinder, bench drill and files. Access to a mill would have helped, but you can only use what you have.  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 10, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
You know we all hate you don't you Dave.  :P
He may be annoyingly talented, but he smells funny & throws like a girl.  :o


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on January 10, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
What i want to know is how does he drill them square holes.
All the drill bits i have are round.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 11, 2015, 08:00:47 AM
You know we all hate you don't you Dave.  :P
He may be annoyingly talented, but he smells funny & throws like a girl.  :o
You were told not to tease. :'( I'm gonna tell your mum !  :P
All the drill bits i have are round.
Silly boy ! You grind round drill bits, to make them square.  ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: phunkie hiboy on January 11, 2015, 09:05:02 AM
You just have to have the right tools!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjckF0-VeGI


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 11, 2015, 11:36:01 AM
Nice bit of kit.
If you don't have a few grand to spend, there is this version. A bit old school but it works.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 11, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
I spent months when I was a young apprentice learning how to file and chisel correctly, had bruised and skinned hands from holding that damn chisel, still miss sometimes but I'm learning.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 13, 2015, 07:28:51 PM
Never stop learning. :)

Carbs have arrived. Twin 1 1/4" HS2 and MG 1100 manifold. Had a slight problem with a broken dashpot screw. It had sheared off flush with the surface and would not budge. A lump of weld on the end (something to grip onto plus adds heat) then a soak in WD40 and it came out cleanly.
They will obviously need a refurb, but it's a nice little job I can do inside in the warm, when it gets cold in the garage.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 13, 2015, 07:47:49 PM
I'm not causing trouble, but try the dishwasher. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on January 13, 2015, 11:17:34 PM
I'm not causing trouble, but try the dishwasher. ;)


Are you joking, or do you mean it


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on January 13, 2015, 11:27:22 PM
I've washed cylinder heads and allsorts in mine.
But don't tell the swimbo.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 14, 2015, 11:36:22 AM
After an hour soaking in very hot water and dishwasher powder and a little scrub with an old tooth brush.
Cheaper than sending it off for vapour blasting !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 14, 2015, 12:46:58 PM
Thats impressive, I'll send mine up ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 17, 2015, 04:58:32 PM
The twin carbs have really changed the look of the engine. Rebuild not finished, but now they are temporarily mounted, I can make a start on the exhaust manifold. Looks like I will have to make do with short ram pipes, as the mouth of the front carb, already protrudes past what will be the bonnet side line.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 17, 2015, 05:10:42 PM
That does look rather spiffing Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on January 18, 2015, 09:20:31 AM
That does look rather spiffing Dave.
i concur


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on January 18, 2015, 11:25:16 AM
Nice little handformed teardrop blister over the carbs with bellmouths protruding through  no problem for a man of your talents.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 21, 2015, 08:25:43 PM
That is the general idea Kev.
Been playing around with tubing, trying to make the exhaust manifold. Two thirds done.  It's supposed to run outside and parallel to, the bonnet side and the front chassis leg cover, as it drops down towards the firewall ( if that makes any sense). Not going to grind down the welds fully, just smooth of them, as the whole thing is going to be wrapped.
Thought I'd have this finished in an afternoon. Some chance ! I must be getting old. :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 22, 2015, 05:11:32 PM
That looks great matey.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 22, 2015, 06:14:27 PM
Cheers. Just about finished apart from perhaps fitting a flange on the exit. At the moment it has a reduced section to take a slip on pipe. Keeping everything lined up and not distorting while welding was a real pain. Had to make a couple of adjustments with the grinder and mig.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on January 22, 2015, 08:19:26 PM
Recently made a two branch version for my 3 wheeler, Olds, so know what a prob. distortion is!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(..Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 22, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
I welded up a pair of stainless steel cross-over silencers & tail pipes for my Pop last year & the pipes ended up 1/4" out of line on each side so they don't meet the existing pipes -gonna make the rest of the system fit the tail pipes cos it's easier than reworking them!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 23, 2015, 09:02:01 AM
Did what was supposed to be the final weld with it bolted to the head. I had to lever the damned thing off, then couldn't get it back on!
Just hoping that once it's well wrapped, the float bowls wont get too hot. Might make a pair of small heat shields held on by the float chamber lid screws


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 23, 2015, 09:07:04 AM
 ;D glad it's not just me then!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 25, 2015, 09:00:12 PM
No it's not just you Andy. I am more than capable of making a right pigs ear up of this sort of thing.
Decided to keep with the idea of a slip on exhaust pipe rather than flanges as it looks so much cleaner
Manifold painted in VHT paint prior to wrapping. Hopefully this should arrive on Tuesday. Not had 100 per cent success with VHT pain in the past. The idea is you let it dry then run the engine to fully cure the paint. But and it's a big but, if the temperature goes too high before the paint is fully cured, it will come off. The ideal temp for this paint is 250 degrees C. Only one way I know of, to maintain that temperature for a period of time is a temperature controlled heating box, otherwise known as, 'the oven'.
Will have to wait till Mrs Olds goes out tomorrow  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on January 25, 2015, 09:10:05 PM
Dave, I usud to cure my VHT coating with an electric heat gun played along the inside and outside.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 26, 2015, 04:33:04 PM
Not telling anyone how to suck eggs. When you fabricate a manifold type thing that is bolted up to "fixed point" when you finish welding you should stress relieve the pipes, bit of good heat from a blowtorch, then let them settle, when cold they should un-bolt easy. Good time to Sperex them to, as they cool, wire brush and spray, wear a mask!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 26, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
You are of course correct but the blow torch had no gas  ::) so it was easier to just slit cut and re weld.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 28, 2015, 04:25:14 PM
Manifold finished. Well apart from replacing those awful stainless ties with stainless hose clamps.
The ram pipes arrived today. Wrong ones and not a matching pair  >:(  But I put them on for the pic anyway.
Think I might have to have a go at metal spinning to get what I really want.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 28, 2015, 04:59:22 PM
Looks fabulous Dave. Very tidy wrappage. What's wrong with the cable ties?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on January 28, 2015, 07:12:04 PM
Looking very nice Dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 28, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
Cheers.
Just can't seem to get the stainless ties to tighten. Would be better off with the metal strapping we used to use on wooden crates. Figure worm drive hose clamps might be better and if I position the screws underneath the manifold, should look ok.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 28, 2015, 09:54:00 PM
I'm surprised you haven't copper wired them.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: markju on January 28, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
If they are the type of stainless tie with the small ball bearing in, the only way when we used them on sites, to get them really tight was to push the ball bearing in with a small screwdriver whilst pulling on the tail with pliers or similar. That used to get them very tight then we snipped off the excess and bent the cut end over.
Hope this is of some use


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 28, 2015, 10:46:38 PM
Copper wire, very period. :D
Yep, it's the type with the little ball bearing.  Have to remember the screwdriver trick if I ever need to use these things again.  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 02, 2015, 09:41:43 PM
Started on the rad shell tonight. This could take a while to get right as I'm determined not to use any filler on it other than lead. Cutting down a slightly large shell (ok, it's a huge shell) taking big chunks out then brazing and soldering it back together. It's made of brass, so no welding.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 02, 2015, 09:51:36 PM
I'm impressed by your courage Dave!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 03, 2015, 08:37:53 AM
 :-\ Some might say stupidity.
Making that first cut was hard, but after that there was nothing to lose. Hate to think how much a custom made radiator shell would cost and I don't want something that is recognisably from another vehicle.
Small reinforcement, for a bit of fun and luck. 1917 penny soldered inside.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 03, 2015, 07:03:47 PM
Like the peak in the top of the shell.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 03, 2015, 07:16:13 PM
Worked out quite well for a first try.  ;D
 Have to sort out some sort of grill for it but that can wait.



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 03, 2015, 07:18:58 PM
That's rather luvverly.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 03, 2015, 07:30:51 PM
Thank you kind sir.
It's not perfect but close. Really like the shape. Removed 6" out of the width at the top. Reshaped the bottom to lose 2" in width and get the sides to flow nicely and cut 12" out of the height.
Really am pleased with the final shape and proportions. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 03, 2015, 08:02:44 PM
Nice -& as you say, no-one will look at it & immediately identify it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on February 03, 2015, 09:28:21 PM
Presumably the penny is from your birth date !!!!   see Andy, that's why he has such wealth of experience, its been gained over 98 years ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on February 03, 2015, 09:50:36 PM
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 03, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
D'oh ! I've been rumbled :D
Slightly better proportioned now.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on February 03, 2015, 11:15:32 PM
Good work Dave, as always, cant laugh at it any more  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on February 04, 2015, 01:23:57 AM
its going to take someone ages to restore that  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: twisted on February 04, 2015, 09:13:50 AM
yet again you amaze me dave  :o ;D well done sir, no on would ever guess the work you have done. oh and cheers for the hot water/dishwasher powder trike for the carb  ;), dunked one in last night to clean and rebuild.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 09, 2015, 03:00:48 PM
Cheers guys.
Think it's past restoring. ;D
Hope the carb came out ok Craig.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: twisted on February 09, 2015, 03:04:45 PM
all clean just waiting on a kit for replacement parts  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on February 09, 2015, 06:16:28 PM
Dave, your workshop appears to have more rubbish, I mean irreplaceable spares!! :D :D, than mine, and I would have thought that was impossible! the other day I found a carb. I put "safely" away in 1965! the engine to go with it having long ago disappeared! hmmm......................


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 10, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
 ;D Yep really do need to have a massive clear out.
Pair of side mount headlights have just arrived. Less than 20 including delivery and they arrived within 48 hrs. Ok, so they're not  Lucas P100s but this is a budget build. Not sure where to mount them yet. ::)  (perhaps inside the grill  ;)). But should be easy to change to bottom mount if needed. Depending on where they end up they may get converted to include sidelights


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 10, 2015, 11:46:39 AM
Tractor lights. Cool.

http://vintagetractorspares.com/


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 10, 2015, 12:33:45 PM
Yep   ;D
Hmmm, starting to look a bit 'hot rod'


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on February 10, 2015, 03:08:42 PM
Looking good Dave :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on February 10, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
That is looking good ;) (In my mind, I'm saying "no, no, he cant have got that far already? I'm still sketching out on the fag packet")


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 10, 2015, 06:53:02 PM
Annoying isn't it!
You'll be ready to race at the Prescott hill climb this year at this rate Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 10, 2015, 07:02:53 PM
I wish !
I started stripping the old body off 6 months ago, so I'm not exactly progressing very fast. Still a long, long way to go.
But at least the lights work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 10, 2015, 07:09:54 PM
What! I've been building mine for 5 or 6 years & haven't got working lights at the moment!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on February 10, 2015, 07:20:41 PM
To be fair Manky - you have HAD working lights.......   


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 10, 2015, 07:30:47 PM
Yeah, but his are working now & I'm jealous.  :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 11, 2015, 09:14:47 AM
What! I've been building mine for 5 or 6 years & haven't got working lights at the moment!
Think it may be nearer 8 years but who's counting  ;)
 I was only checking the bulbs worked. Lights are now packed away in a growing pile of parts boxes. Bits are bought when a good deal comes up rather than to any build schedule. Keeping costs to a minimum.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 11, 2015, 09:56:29 AM
Think it may be nearer 8 years but who's counting   >:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 12, 2015, 02:02:08 PM
Considering going for a scuttle /firewall mounted fuel tank  :-\
Worked out that I have room for a 5 gallon tank mounted on the top of the scuttle. This would mean that a fuel pump would not be needed though a fuel tap might be a good idea. Foam filled for safety obviously and to stop sloshing.
Apart from it being a pig to make, putting extra weight over the front axle, a raising the C.of G. slightly. Are there any other reasons why this is another dumb idea ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on February 12, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
Ford did it with the Model A . My old man showed me the scars on his hands from pulling burning wiring out from underneath his Model A dash one night but could just as easily happen with a rear mounted tank.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on February 12, 2015, 07:36:36 PM
I'm using both on my "3" Olds, 11/2 gallon cylindrical S/S tank on the scuttle, gravity feed, and another vertically mounted cylindrical M/S tank at the rear, with fuel pump,both converted extinguishers,  why you may ask? no idea, but seemed like a good idea at the time! ;D ;D, as an aside, one of my earliest cars, a '32 Austin 7, had a scuttle mounted gravity feed tank, for whatever relevance that may be! ??? ??? ??? ??? ???..Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 17, 2015, 04:23:42 PM
More thinking required on the tank I think.
While waiting for the sheets of aluminium to arrive, I thought it best to finish off the tail section. The modified bonnet was a bit short and had the wrong profile for behind the seats. Tried to infill using a single piece but it did not go well. :( Second attempt using two long sections and a small centre section worked .
Front  is welded to 8mm dia rod to give a safe and neat edge. Centre section still to be welded in. Getting fed up of compound curves. Luckily the rest of the bodywork curves mostly in single planes except for some of the scuttle area and where the body meets the tail section plus some small detail work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on February 17, 2015, 05:02:34 PM
Think it may be nearer 8 years but who's counting   >:(

lol!!!!!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 05, 2015, 09:40:48 PM
Actual progress has been non existent due to having a few small styling issues.
The radiator is pushing the grill shell a couple of inches further forward than I would like, so I am contemplating side mounting it. The steering box is really messing up the shape of the front frame cover on the RH side. It sits on top of the side rail quite close to the front, meaning the covers will have to be quite tall with a rounded front, tapering back towards the firewall (a bit like the root profile of a wing). Will get it mocked out in cardboard before cutting any aluminium.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 06, 2015, 09:29:34 AM
Not making a front cover panel ahead of the grille Dave? -like Adey Smith's Pendine special at Buckland automotive, (one of the guys we went to Holland with).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 06, 2015, 09:53:37 AM
Yep, that's the sort of thing. But I was planning on dropping the top of the centre down to follow the bottom of the rad. Not sure about that though.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 10, 2015, 09:55:27 PM
Other vehicles are holding up this project but had time today to make the former for the front frame covers. Cut from 19mm ply with radiused top/front edges. For making just two panels ply should be ok. The short piece is a clamping block to keep the aluminium flat while knocking over the tighter curve at the front.
At some point I am going to have to make some louver formers. Well actually a lot of formers as I want graduated louvers for the tapered bonnet side and top panels.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 10, 2015, 11:20:50 PM
You know if you build a louvre press, Loony's gonna want to louvre everything don't you Dave?!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 11, 2015, 06:28:40 AM
 :D
Not planning on making a press. Just a series of hardwood formers to do them by hand.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 12, 2015, 01:39:43 PM
A productive morning  :)
Got my daughters car MOT done and still managed to get the front, frame cover sides made.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 12, 2015, 01:41:17 PM
Had some difficulty with distortion while doing the 1" wide flanges at the front, but got there in the end. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on March 12, 2015, 02:56:01 PM
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Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 12, 2015, 07:44:15 PM
That's a big thumbs up.  :)
Nicely done Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: gazzagood on March 12, 2015, 08:41:17 PM
Very nice Dave
Very nice indeed


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 14, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
 :D
Sometimes hard tasks are quick and other times the easy ones take for ever. As mentioned earlier, I want a rolled front cover panel but with the top section dropped, to follow the shape of the rad grill. Sounds easy and in a way it was, just took ages to map the shape out on the flat sheet of aluminium, cut it out then bend to shape. I haven't even finished the infill panel but I've had enough for today.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 14, 2015, 07:43:48 PM
Looks really nice though Dave. Id've rolled it first then spent ages trimming it away bit by bit cos I wouldn't be able to map it out in advance. Are you riveting it to the side pieces or do they all need to be removable separately?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: phunkie hiboy on March 14, 2015, 07:54:14 PM
Nice work Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 14, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
Thanks.
Will be riveted together. If I get it right it should possible to lift the side covers over the dampers (cut outs in the sides) and steering arm spindle, then just remove it all forwards.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on March 14, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
That's looking really good Dave 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on March 15, 2015, 08:01:51 AM
as we say over here"thats class"  8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 15, 2015, 03:58:01 PM
Cheers.
Infill section done and managed to get it to fit, first time.  Fast becoming a fan of sheet aluminium, as it's so much easier to bend, stretch and shrink.
Temporarily held in place by 4 pop rivets.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 15, 2015, 04:11:12 PM
That's worked out well Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on March 15, 2015, 05:04:15 PM
That's really tidy!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on March 15, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
Like an artist working his canvas, it's great to see the picture forming. Top work Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on March 15, 2015, 05:44:32 PM
I don't like you, I don't mean it Dave, I enjoy watching it all come together and all in a shed, who would have thought it :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 16, 2015, 08:33:04 AM
 :-[ Thanks folks. Nice to know people are interested.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on March 16, 2015, 12:29:46 PM
Hey Dave, I'm almost ready to skin my "3", any chance of you coming down here for your holidays!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on March 16, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
great work, big respect.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 27, 2015, 08:31:03 AM
 :)
Top sections done. Steering column will cause some agro with the RH bonnet side but nothing like the exhaust and carbs  on the other side.
With some off cuts, had a go at louvre forming. I intended to make formers varying in width from 50mm up to 200mm in 10mm increments (lots and lots of formers) but found I could get reasonable results just using a shaped chisel made from an old flat file.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 27, 2015, 08:40:12 AM
Can you explain just how you created those Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on March 27, 2015, 08:56:25 AM
Is there nothing you cant do  :) I must admit I do like your work, you have a real talent 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 27, 2015, 08:59:53 AM
 :)
The sheet is held tightly between two bits of angle (flats on top) and using a flat chisel (like a woodworking one but rounded at the end) held against the top of one of the angle pieces, and carefully hammered, the sheet is cut and formed at the same time.
Took a bit of practice. The sheet I'm using is 1.2mm and needs to be annealed to stop it tearing at the ends. Any ripples in the louvre can be dressed out but only before you cut the next one.
Simples  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on March 28, 2015, 11:20:08 AM
Thats very clever thinking, I spent ages making a die for fly pressing, could do 18swg steel, left it out one night, never to be seen again >:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on March 28, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
Dave, Is that just local annealing to the area to be louvred,or the whole piece?, and what's your prefered method? Regards Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 28, 2015, 06:35:23 PM
Just the louvre area. The bonnet is going to be 1.2 meters long so annealing the whole sheet is not practical or even wanted.
I started by using bar soap as an indicator, but now just use a propane torch moving it slowly over the area that I need to work on. There seems to be two trains of thought,  to quench or not. When doing the side blisters I tried both ways and frankly, noticed no difference, so I let it air cool.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on March 28, 2015, 07:46:34 PM
Cheers Dave, I'll go with that......Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on March 28, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
Another way is a bit of soft wood, large splinter,  it writes in black when temp. is right. And you should let aluminum air cool.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on March 28, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Cheers for that as well! ,Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 29, 2015, 07:57:18 AM
Added a small 'refinement' to the process. A shaped bit of wood, clamped to the back angle, to dress the louvre against after cutting.
Gives a much neater finish. :)
Just worked out there should be about 150 graduated louvres in the bonnet. That's 150 chances to mess up. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 29, 2015, 06:53:54 PM
Rather than make an elongated blister to cover the carb bell mouths, I decided to make a long air intake to fit to the side of the bonnet.
The rolled front edge was the most awkward part as it involves shrinking the sheet aluminium quite a bit. Still need to trim the edges slightly.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 29, 2015, 07:36:15 PM
Ooh, isn't that pretty. Is the rolled edge purely a matter of lots of patient hammering Dave, or is there heat involved?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on March 29, 2015, 08:01:04 PM
Olds, you really need to make some videos to show how you do this stuff - us mere short patienced mortals can only wonder at how easy you make this stuff look.
Hats off


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 29, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
Everything I do seems to involve heat and hammering. This was no exception. The front edge was knocked over a former (a lathe, tailstock hand wheel  ;) ) 90 degrees, then hammered inwards over a  stake. Think I heated it three times to stop it from buckling. I expect an experienced metal worker wouldn't have needed to but it works for me.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 05, 2015, 10:46:07 AM
Started on the tedious job of making panel templates. Damn, that bonnet is long. Managed at last to find someone willing to post 1250mm long sheet aluminium at a reasonable price. while I quite like the body to be made of riveted together panels, I want the  bonnet panels to be in seamless sections. Think I may make a slightly bigger, much longer, air intake as I'm not sure I like the proportions. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on April 05, 2015, 10:49:10 AM
Could the air intake be set a little further back as it's very close to the cutout for the exhaust - looks a little crowded?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 05, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
Unfortunately not enough BG. That is why I'm thinking of making a longer one. Would take the inlet almost to the front of the bonnet  and the tail end back  further. Then it should look more part of the bonnet side than something stuck on.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on April 05, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
just amazing work. looks great.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 05, 2015, 12:46:28 PM
I like the long bonnet look Dave & agree about extending the intake down it's full length.
Looking superb. Origami specials are the future! -in recycled paper obviously.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 05, 2015, 04:08:07 PM
Origami specials are the future! -in recycled paper obviously.
;D
The bits of masking tape are obviously temporary, until I can get some structural duct tape.  :D
Spent ages looking for large sheets of suitable, stiff card to make cutting templates, All I found was art board which was expensive. So I'm making do, with heavy wall lining paper.
Not as easy to use but at least it's cheap.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 05, 2015, 07:16:42 PM
Yeah, I've got a roll of that at Loony's workshop. Suprisingly useful.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 09, 2015, 12:50:02 PM
Thanks Brock for the card. It will come in very useful.
Had a productive morning. Got the rear bonnet support flange made. Made from 20 x 15 angle, this has to follow the profile of the scuttle hoop but be 5mm smaller all round.
Because this needs to be fitted after the body is skinned it will be temporarily screwed to the hoop and riveted in place later.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 09, 2015, 01:49:35 PM
Easiest way of getting the angle to curve for the top corners.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 14, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
Bonnet top panels cut out and I've started the louvres. Decided to cut down on the number of louvres to 30 per panel (two tops and one side)
but it's still a slow process.
I'm just popping out (to the garage) and may be some time.  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Clive on April 14, 2015, 05:32:06 PM
Has anyone ever mentioned how ridiculously talented you are! :D :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 14, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
 ;D
None of it's real. All done with smoke and mirrors.
Certainly no talent when it comes to paint (unlike some) I'm lucky if it actually sticks where it's supposed to.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on April 14, 2015, 06:05:20 PM
this is just getting better an better.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 15, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
 :)
One bonnet top done. Sits quite well even without stiffeners or hinges and so far I'm pleased with the look. It's 1.2mm thick aluminium so is fairly stiff and was a pain getting the tapered roll over even.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on April 15, 2015, 12:58:49 PM
That is absolutely beautiful!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on April 15, 2015, 06:07:40 PM
I will second that BG, bet you are well chuffed Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on April 15, 2015, 09:04:23 PM
You are truly talented, that is an excellent piece of workmanship


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on April 15, 2015, 09:37:09 PM
I'll third, fantastic


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 15, 2015, 09:48:02 PM
Thanks folks.
Yep quite pleased. It's not perfect, but is better than I hoped. My right hand/wrist is getting painful so may have to take a break from this or at least strap it up before continuing.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on April 16, 2015, 08:08:04 AM
That's crap that is,It's full of holes  ;D






Only kidding of course,Very professional looking job olds.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 16, 2015, 05:26:33 PM
That's crap that is,It's full of holes  ;D
;D   More holes added.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on April 16, 2015, 05:40:09 PM
" Patience of a Saint"  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on April 16, 2015, 05:49:13 PM
more patience than me!!!!!

great work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 21, 2015, 08:37:47 PM
Not much patience today! Three attempts at getting one small panel done and I'm still not happy, so went for a ride instead.
It covers the steering column, where it cuts through the side panel and the top of the frame cover. Looks simple. May try again when I'm in a better frame of mind.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 21, 2015, 08:40:33 PM
With the bike out of the way had a chance to get an overall pic. Gives some idea of where I'm heading with this.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 21, 2015, 10:24:11 PM
Ooh, nice. What's wrong with the panel Dave? Looks fine to me.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on April 21, 2015, 10:29:36 PM
Dave that is spiffing


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 22, 2015, 05:54:47 AM
The mounting flange ended up a bit narrow at the back. :(
It appears to be such a simple shape but isn't.
I like the term "spiffing" Scannerzer. Trying for an early 30s look. The 17" wheels are bit small but there is not a lot I can do about that, unless I can find some wire wheel centres. 6 stud 4"pcd.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 22, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Front RH lower side panel, louvred, beaded and shaped.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 22, 2015, 05:29:37 PM
Nice. Very nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on April 22, 2015, 08:08:22 PM
spiffing doesn't do it justice, that looks like it was made by the hands of a master craftsman 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 23, 2015, 06:00:48 AM
Thanks guys. It's not perfect Merv, but it's not bad for shed work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 24, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
The LH lower side is going to be in two parts, because of the exhaust manifold and to allow easy access to the bottom of the carbs.
Front section with exhaust cut outs.
Starting to think that for a home built special, this car might actually look ok.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on April 24, 2015, 12:59:36 PM
I'm actually begining to think this car will look fantastic. 8)

Well done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on April 24, 2015, 02:00:20 PM
For me it's not just that it was shed built, it's the short time it's taken.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on April 24, 2015, 06:28:21 PM
Well just get on with it Dave, as you still have my 3 Wheeler to "do" when you come down here on your holidays!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 24, 2015, 07:24:45 PM
Thanks hunter.
Not such a short time really. I started this in August and apart from repositioning the engine, the chassis repairs  and making the exhaust manifold, hardly anything to the base vehicle has been done. If I can get the body finished by the end of the summer than I can get on with the mechanicals over winter.
Think you will have to make do without me morrag. I don't do holidays. ;D
Rear section done. Not overly happy with the bottom swage line but it will do. Not looking forward to doing this along the bottom of the main tub. Will have to experiment with formers.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 26, 2015, 11:50:34 AM
Spent some time playing Tetrus with panel templates, to make the most out of each sheet of aluminium. Looks like if I am really, really,careful and don't mess up a panel, I should just have enough sheet in stock to make a pair of bomber seats. :D
How hard can it be ? :-\
If I go ahead I will put up a separate thread.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on April 26, 2015, 12:18:41 PM
What next machineguns. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 26, 2015, 12:26:29 PM
That would be silly.
Well perhaps a scuttle mounted Vickers for the navigator. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: andyrennison on April 26, 2015, 03:23:21 PM
"How hard can it be ?"

You will make it look easy. If I tried there would be a lot of swearing and a heap of twisted ally in the corner.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 27, 2015, 07:03:37 AM
 :-\ You have more faith in my abilities than I do. :-[
Think I may be setting myself up for a fall on this idea.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 06, 2015, 03:47:55 PM
Bit of turning. Turned (pun) out to be awkward. Rivet setting anvil. Didn't have one for some large rivets I will be using, so decided to make one to match. Took four attempts before I managed to get the profile just right.
Work on the car will now have to go on hold for a little while, as I have another project, with a deadline that must be met.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 06, 2015, 06:04:16 PM
Ooh, curious!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on May 06, 2015, 06:13:09 PM
Known as a rivet "snap" in this part of the world Mr. M, and allows you to have matching 'heads' to your rivets, very common at one time before 'PoP' rivets became almost universal. Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on May 07, 2015, 08:55:25 AM
There is also the "set" which is just a tool with a hole the size of the shank, to pull the head in tight. Set and snap.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 07, 2015, 09:28:44 AM
Rivet set/snap and anvil. The anvil will be mounted into a heavy block of steel and it's purpose is to stop the head of the rivet being deformed and to support the work piece while using the snap. It has to be as close to the profile of the rivet head as possible


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 30, 2015, 05:40:05 PM
At last managed to find some time to do a bit more. Not a lot to show though. Some more welding to the body frame ( more grinding to do ) and, fed up of losing tools down between the floor and gearbox I got around to making the gearbox cover. May have to increase the clearance around the gear change slightly, but as I'm not planning on fitting a gaiter, I will leave it as small as possible.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 30, 2015, 06:21:29 PM
That's very neat Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 31, 2015, 06:13:12 AM
 :-\ Yep it's neat, light, functional and boring. That could change though. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on May 31, 2015, 10:25:14 AM
You could say there's some light at the end of the tunnel.

Nice work as always.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 01, 2015, 12:21:58 PM
 :)
Not really necessary, think this is more in keeping with the general look of the vehicle.
Although these are pop rivets, the steel pins were removed, turning them into tubular rivets, to allow them to be hammered flat on the underside.
 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on June 01, 2015, 07:57:14 PM
Nice!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 03, 2015, 03:39:23 PM
 :)
Because the skin is going to be aluminium, all mounts for windscreens, mirrors, lights (spare wheel ?) etc. have to be welded to the body frame before skinning.
Screen mounts done today. These also act as bracing between the scuttle hoop and the body tube. Bound to forget something.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on June 03, 2015, 05:11:50 PM
nice work. gives me some ideas. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 04, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
First of the body panels. front left. This has taken all day to do due to the fact that it curves both front to back and top to bottom (compound) and I don't have an English wheel. Lots of heating, stretching and shrinking. With a bit of luck the rest should be a bit easier now I have some idea of what to do. Going to have to get some more propane !
I want to get most of the panel beating done before painting the body frame. Hopefully I can get to the stage where the panels almost slip on to the frame.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 04, 2015, 07:02:17 PM
If I can get all panels done so that no filler is needed, I will be a very happy bunny. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on June 04, 2015, 07:10:10 PM
if mine ends up half as good i'll be happy.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 04, 2015, 07:28:08 PM
I'd be happy if I could get panels to fit that well when I'm welding them together.
Can't see any signs of heat colouring Dave -are you buffing the ali' after you've worked it?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 04, 2015, 08:16:49 PM
No buffing but a light rub over with a scrub pad. Mainly to remove finger prints. Ally doesn't discolour with heat, like steel does.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 04, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
I didn't know that.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on June 05, 2015, 07:59:05 AM
if you heat ally enough yo discolour it it ends up in a puddle


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on June 05, 2015, 10:11:55 AM
Who needs programs like American Hot Rod when we have our very own Boyd Coddington on here ;D  Wonderful work as usual Dave, keep it coming ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 06, 2015, 05:41:54 AM
Thanks, I think. :-[ I'm certainly no Boyd (though the Coddington workshop would be nice). Just having a bit of fun in the garage.  :)
Pretty sure that there will be a lot of folk who won't like the car for various reasons,  it's not a traditional hot rod, racer, replica, or whatever, but I don't care. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 06, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
I like it already, purely for it's attention to detail & old school methods.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on June 06, 2015, 11:33:10 AM
I like it already, purely for it's attention to detail & old school methods.

^^^ x2


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on June 06, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
I like it already, purely for it's attention to detail & old school methods.

^^^ x2

make that x3


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 07, 2015, 07:26:52 AM
 Thanks guys. Wasn't folk on this forum I was thinking about, but the public in general and the flat cap brigade in particular. :D
Thought I'd take some pics as I went along this time (this is where it all goes horribly wrong).

Edges annealed and the roll over started. This is as far as I can go just using my hands. The edge has to stretch a lot so will be done HOT once the panel is temporarily riveted in place. The alternative is to cut a series of slits in the edge but I prefer not to do that.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 07, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
Hot forming the rolled edge. This took about 2 hours with repeated local re-heating, doing a small section at a time as the heat dissipates quickly, but I think the result is worth the effort.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 07, 2015, 03:01:29 PM
Hammering in the bottom swage line. Tool is steel rod in a short length fuel hose.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 07, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
Front edge knocked over and it's done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 07, 2015, 07:42:23 PM
It really is metal sculpting isn't it. Seems so simple!  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on June 07, 2015, 08:41:25 PM
nice work, how would you like a hoilday in norn iron restoring a landy  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 07, 2015, 08:51:41 PM
Seems so simple!  :)
I only do simple. They are not perfect, but are good enough. :D Just glad that I'm not trying to do this in steel. ;)

how would you like a hoilday in norn iron restoring a landy  ;D
Let me think about this, I've though about this, NO !  :D
This is the last one I did. 1984 V8 SW


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on June 08, 2015, 06:04:56 AM
very nice,hope mine looks half as good


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 09, 2015, 09:54:52 AM
When I sold, it was bought by a dealer in Holland.
Slow but steady progress. Near side scuttle top done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 09, 2015, 11:56:49 AM
Lovely, lovely, lovely.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on June 09, 2015, 04:59:15 PM
That is looking really good Dave, you must be pleased with it


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on June 09, 2015, 07:32:17 PM
Starting to look like it was factory built.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 09, 2015, 08:22:40 PM
Thanks.
Yep, I'm quite pleased with it so far. It's OK for a first attempt, and is turning out better than I dared hope.
Just messed up the offside scuttle top, so will have to start that again.
It's not supposed to look factory !  :(  I must try harder.  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on June 09, 2015, 09:08:36 PM
When i say factory i mean the standard of work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 09, 2015, 09:12:56 PM
I'd like to think you've got a big heap of scrap panels that you don't show us, but somehow I suspect not.  >:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 09, 2015, 09:25:59 PM
When i say factory i mean the standard of work.
It's all down to poor lighting and a cheap camera I assure you.

I'd like to think you've got a big heap of scrap panels that you don't show us, but somehow I suspect not.  >:(
Well, there's the one from this evening.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 09, 2015, 09:34:55 PM
That makes me feel slightly less useless about my own efforts!  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 10, 2015, 01:19:15 PM
There's nowt wrong with the stuff you make Andy

Thought I'd ruined the scuttle top while rolling over the edge. Put a big crease in it by going to fast. Took a while but I eventually managed to dress the crease out.
I love this aluminium stuff,. It's so easy to work with.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on June 10, 2015, 01:46:59 PM
nice save.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 11, 2015, 02:27:47 PM
Just had a special delivery from Canada. Four sets of long lever, quick release, clamps/buckles.
Originally designed as closing clamps, for heavy haulage horse collars, they will make great buckles for the bonnet straps.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on June 11, 2015, 04:19:11 PM
Oh Yus !!  Very nice, they will look good  8) 8) 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on June 11, 2015, 04:25:04 PM
I like them


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on June 11, 2015, 06:26:31 PM
very nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 11, 2015, 09:10:08 PM
Trying to find 'alternative' rather than the norm. Originally saw one on an antique, dray horse collar. Only place I could find them in UK was attached to belts sold by Orvis at 115 each.  :o  Eventually found a guy in Canada willing to post them at a reasonable price. May get some more shipped over as they make a really cool belt.
They had been polished but have aged rather nicely.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 15, 2015, 04:42:34 PM
Nearside rear cockpit panel in place. So far this has been the hardest to get right due to all the different directions it has to curve. Will need to make some 'adjustment' to the panel gap between cockpit and tail section but all in all its not bad.
The leather for the straps has arrived and though they will not be needed for a long time, I'm fed up of panel bashing at the moment, so may start on these next.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 15, 2015, 09:35:54 PM
Beautifully done as always Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 16, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
Cheers.
First bonnet strap. Leather was light tan and looked hideous, so has been stained and waxed. Couldn't find any strap staples (guides) that I liked, so I'm making them. Think the clamps/buckles, are perfect for the look I'm after.
Now I know what to do,  the rest should be much quicker to make.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on June 16, 2015, 09:19:03 PM
I know its been said before and I am repeating it, but not one person should have this much talent.
I do like what you do Dave  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on June 16, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
Not sure about the strap staple Dave ??? They look a bit modern compared to the beautiful buckles, if they looked like the bit of the buckle that goes through the strap, then they would match............. See we cant blow sunshine up the old jacksie all the time ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 16, 2015, 09:35:21 PM
I think they look gorgeous.
I've just paid 30 quid to have 2 loops stitched in a leather strap for my motorcycle -should've come & seen you Dave!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 16, 2015, 09:53:59 PM
 ;D
Not sure about the strap staple Dave ??? They look a bit modern compared to the beautiful buckles, if they looked like the bit of the buckle that goes through the strap, then they would match............. See we cant blow sunshine up the old jacksie all the time ;D ;D ;D

I agree, would prefer the hoop to be larger in diameter and overall a more sculpted look, but this is with materials to hand. The fact that I will be making at least 16 of these means they have to be fairly simple to replicate and I don't have casting facilities.

Constructive criticism is as welcome as 'sunshine' ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on June 17, 2015, 08:40:04 AM
I googled 'Footman Loops'

(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo343/PDSheridan/Footman%20loops_zpsnnpp9qr4.jpg) (http://s390.photobucket.com/user/PDSheridan/media/Footman%20loops_zpsnnpp9qr4.jpg.html)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 17, 2015, 09:06:32 AM
Thanks.
I'd found the same ones at Vintage Car Parts, But they were 3.48 each ! May not seem much but it adds up when you need a lot.
We have an old fashioned hardware store near us, that stocks a lot of brass fittings. Might see what they can do.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 17, 2015, 11:33:36 AM
I didn't know that's what they're called, but I've got 2 on my welding trolley.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on June 17, 2015, 06:14:31 PM
uhm! horse drawn welding trolley :o :o different :D :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on June 17, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
I think they're fine and after all, once the build is finished and on the road you can always change anything that bugs you - and if it doesn't - don't!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 17, 2015, 09:27:40 PM
Wise words Bobbi!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 18, 2015, 06:15:07 AM
I think they're fine and after all, once the build is finished and on the road you can always change anything that bugs you - and if it doesn't - don't!

True, except unlike steel, once you drill holes in aluminium bodywork, it's not easy to get rid of them.  :)

I didn't know that's what they're called, but I've got 2 on my welding trolley.
Yep, though the term 'footman loop' seems to be going out of use. Think it comes from when a footman would use straps to hold down luggage. Didn't you have them on the XS battery box ? There is also a narrower, taller, 'coachman loop' that looks like a pipe saddle hoop.

Decided to go with the hand made guides (because they are different) but will need cast staples at the ends (and possibly for the tensioners) for their greater strength.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: triker_Chewie on June 18, 2015, 07:23:11 AM
I think they're fine and after all, once the build is finished and on the road you can always change anything that bugs you - and if it doesn't - don't!

True, except unlike steel, once you drill holes in aluminium bodywork, it's not easy to get rid of them.  :)


more rivits!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 18, 2015, 08:05:16 AM
"Pipe saddle hoop"?
Yup,got them on my bike & also on the fuel tank of my Pop.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 18, 2015, 08:31:10 AM
Sorry, poor description I know. A hoop of metal used to secure pipes to walls etc.
This is a coachman loop.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on June 18, 2015, 10:35:02 AM
Known as school or classroom clips in pipe fitters circles. I have a few 2" clips left from a job.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on June 18, 2015, 12:55:15 PM
we used them to attach rigging to yatch masts. we called them "potterheigham bridges" due to the fact they looked like it and we were on the norfolk broads!!!!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on June 18, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
Used in classic cars for door check straps. I used them on my A to provide load tie downs when screwed into the steel bed edges.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on June 18, 2015, 07:15:10 PM

True, except unlike steel, once you drill holes in aluminium bodywork, it's not easy to get rid of them.  :)


i got this to repair some damage on the landy body

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwyglwkZcCU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwyglwkZcCU)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 19, 2015, 07:03:21 AM
Let us know how you get on with this. There are certainly areas that I could use this on. Think Land Rover panels are made from NS4 alloy which is supposedly easier to gas weld anyway.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on June 19, 2015, 07:50:31 PM
tried it on some scrap using a mapp gas torch and it worked very well and i rushed it,i had to move it back and forth aggerssively to break it apart but i didn't tin it first so think it may not have broken at all if i had tinned it


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 20, 2015, 02:50:08 PM
Dragged the speedster out of the garage for the first time today, so I could get some decent pics.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 20, 2015, 02:56:29 PM
Sitting a little low at the back. First time I've seen it on the flat, as the garage floor slopes, but I need to rebuild the springs anyway.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 20, 2015, 02:57:45 PM
.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on June 20, 2015, 05:09:58 PM
in all fairness that looks fantastic


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 20, 2015, 05:28:54 PM
Thanks.
 The dog leg panel joint between the tail section and the body may look slightly odd, but there is a reason it's that shape.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on June 20, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Nice one ;)  what is the plan for the exhaust pipe Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 20, 2015, 06:57:46 PM
At the moment I'm not sure. My original design had a Brooklands can, just before the rear wheel, with the pipe exiting quite high up, but that seems too obvious.
Leaning toward a low mounted, Brooklands style can where the exit pipe is actually goes under the chassis rail and axle, finishing in a horizontal fish tail.
Something like this (wish I'd remembered this car earlier, it's gorgeous).
Notice at no point did I mention a silencer. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on June 20, 2015, 07:11:15 PM
looks great outside.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 20, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
Nice Dave. Very, very nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on June 21, 2015, 08:30:22 AM
WOW, What some great workmanship, looks stunning


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 23, 2015, 11:45:59 AM
Thanks. As usual for these things it looks better in the pics than reality. Still quite chuffed though. It's difficult to know what it really looks like, while stuck in the garage.
Rest of the leather for the bonnet straps arrived yesterday ( I'd underestimated how much would be needed  :-[). So a morning of sewing and the straps are done.
Looks like horse harness.
Wonder if it will be enough to restrain all that wild horsepower the A series engine will make.  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on June 23, 2015, 03:12:18 PM
Thanks. As usual for these things it looks better in the pics than reality.

Even in reality it probably looks much better than you think it does - cos you KNOW where the imperfections are, but anyone looking at it sees the general picture - which is great!

Quote
Looks like horse harness.

None the worse for that!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: goose on June 23, 2015, 05:47:53 PM
excellent workmanship dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 24, 2015, 08:10:40 PM
Cheers.
Spurred on by watching Mr Monkey slaving away today and being ashamed to admit to him that I'd not done much recently, I got around to filling two of the four big holes left by the Morris bonnet hinges. Also made and fitted the last of the cockpit perimeter supports (with holes). Yes, it is slightly bent, it's supposed to be. All the framework sections curve in one direction or another.  Some in a multitude of directions.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 24, 2015, 08:31:45 PM
 :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 24, 2015, 08:45:10 PM
Just been going through what need doing, before lifting the body frame off for finishing and paint. One last body panel, two bonnet sides, the dash panel and the closing panel behind the seats. I'm awaiting steel for the last one. Because of its shape, it will add a lot of strength to the structure.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on June 24, 2015, 09:20:50 PM
Cheers.
Spurred on by watching Mr Monkey slaving away today and being ashamed to admit to him that I'd not done much recently,


some how i don't think anyone could complain about your work rate on this one Dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 25, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
 :D
Well The wife complains all the time ! ;D
Been looking at SU ram pipes and on the new ones, the gauze seems so coarse and at the same time restrictive that I decided to make my own.
Did some more metal spinning and this time managed to make a pair of very near identical, bell mouths. Hope to get the mounting flanges done tomorrow.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 25, 2015, 08:58:24 PM
Damn, is there nothing you can't make Dave?!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on June 25, 2015, 09:05:39 PM
cakes?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 25, 2015, 09:17:14 PM
My chocolate sponge cake is to die for. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on June 25, 2015, 09:29:25 PM
Send some up to Hertfordshire then  :P :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 26, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
One done one to do. But I think I've made the overall diameter too big and it might cause problems with the bonnet.  :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on June 26, 2015, 04:56:12 PM
One done one to do. But I think I've made the overall diameter too big and it might cause problems with the bonnet.  :-\

Oh shut up  :) , I'm sure you will sort it out


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 27, 2015, 07:28:20 AM
One done one to do. But I think I've made the overall diameter too big and it might cause problems with the bonnet.  :-\

Oh shut up  :) , I'm sure you will sort it out
:'(
 Too big! Started again.  The bottom edge will still be a bit close to the bottom of the air intake bulge but should clear.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on June 27, 2015, 04:15:03 PM
See, you did sort it :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 27, 2015, 05:01:20 PM
Yep  ;D Took most of the day though. Should have thought it through to start off with.  ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 02, 2015, 08:15:34 AM
The steel arrived for the rear firewall yesterday and I was making good progress until I ran out of welding wire.
Might have looked better if the dimples were graduated, but that would have meant making three sizes of formers.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on July 02, 2015, 12:37:49 PM

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Tea bags from now on then!
I'm curious how you attached the flanges to the sum tubes?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 02, 2015, 02:35:23 PM
I assume you mean the SU ram tubes.
The flange bores were chamfered each side.  One to match the tube taper and the other  side a 45 deg. x 3mm and the tube end was swaged into this chamfer.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 05, 2015, 10:44:16 PM
Started stripping down the body so that I can finish some welding and paint the body frame and thought I'd see how much things weighed.
The steel rear section (boat tail) is a bit heavy at 16kg but the alloy body panels only total 5kg and the bonnet and front sections another 8kg.
Don't know what the body frame weighs, but taking axle weights with everything fitted so far and allowing for fuel, battery and all the bits still to be fitted, I think the vehicle should weigh roughly 1188 lbs. (540 kg). A Morris 8 = 1738 lbs.  So should be 550 lbs. lighter ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 05, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
Wow!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 06, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
Best bit is, combined with the engine change, the power goes from 39 to about 111 BHP/Ton. Not massive, but a decent improvement. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on July 06, 2015, 12:46:50 PM
recon mine will weigh more!!!! ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 06, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
recon mine will weigh more!!!! ::)
Ya think !  ::)    :D
Well you did start off with a vehicle with a kerb weight of over 3000 lbs. ;D

The 1100 Morris/MG engine hardly make this a hotrod, but with skinny crossplys, ox cart suspension and turn'n'hope steering, it should be quite 'interesting'  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on July 07, 2015, 04:37:39 AM
i think my new body already weighs more than the landrover original!!! and its not finished yet!!!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on July 07, 2015, 01:34:20 PM

turn'n'hope steering, it should be quite 'interesting'  ;D

love it ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 09, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
Got the body frame off, for final welding and paint. A little awkward on my own but at least it's not heavy. It's surprisingly rigid, despite not being bolted to the chassis. Weighs 21 kg which is slightly heavier than I would have liked, but lighter than expected !  The front frame 'horns' will now be cut off and welded to the firewall/ foot well section instead.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on July 09, 2015, 04:49:25 PM
looks neat.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 09, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
Beautifully done Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 10, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Thanks.
Looks like the car may end up green after all. Rummaging around looking for primer (that I never did find), I came across two unopened 5 litre cans of Land Rover  'Deep Bronze Green'. Or at least that's what I think they are as the labels have come off. Were sent in error when I bought paint for my last 110.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 11, 2015, 07:12:40 PM
Frame is finished (sort of ) and painted. Back is painted in textured truck bed coating, as this is the front of the boot. Reason for getting it painted, is that it will now have to be stored outside, until the mechanicals have been done and I'm ready for assembly.
More than a few hours of work in this frame but luckily all I had to buy was the sheet steel for the back. The rest of the steel I had in stock.
A while ago, I mentioned that I had to remember to weld on dashboard mounts, before paint. Well, they are sitting on the desk in front of me ! D'oh !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on July 11, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
oops. does look good though.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 12, 2015, 09:15:19 AM
 ;D
Same black bed liner paint I used on my Pop? Good stuff with a nice finish but about 10 quid a can, (from Halfords).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 12, 2015, 03:40:18 PM
Yep, that's the stuff Andy. Had to clean the nozzle a couple of times. Probably my fault in not shaking the can enough. Would have preferred it to be grey in colour but black was all I could get at the time. Not planning on having any interior panels unless the car ends up having to go through IVA (or whatever), so some of the frame will be visible and subjected to knocks and scuffs. These areas have now had another three coats of clear sprayed on.
I keep telling myself, this is supposed look like, a thrown together, home built special of the 30s (sort of) and not to spend so much time on it.
Started filling in all the extra holes (there are lots of them) that were drilled into the chassis to mount the GRP body etc. Using a bit of brass as a backstop and the MIG turned up high, means that I get good weld penetration and only have to dress one side, instead of the weld pool dripping down.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 13, 2015, 07:38:44 PM
Had one of those days I should have stayed in bed.
Within minutes of going into the garage, I'd knocked over an open can of black paint.
 This went all over the floor and chassis of the speedster and ran down into a large box of nuts and bolts, stored underneath.
While cutting out the dash panel, I broke the last jigsaw blade.
 Had to finish by using the angle grinder, which grabbed the ally and put a big score across the front face. So what was to be the rear stiffener is now the front.
At the moment the panels are just bonded together, but there are 40 copper rivets to go around the perimeter.
One good thing is, the cheap front leaf springs bought on ebay, arrived and are in excellent condition, which saves me having to rebuild the old ones.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on July 13, 2015, 08:45:08 PM
Everyone has days like that!   :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on July 13, 2015, 09:26:10 PM
So you are normal then , tomorrow is another day


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 14, 2015, 07:49:59 PM
Yep I am normal (I think) though the wife says otherwise. I mean, what's unusual about having a body frame in the lounge (It's raining outside and she's in Japan  ;D)
Not done much today, but did find time to make a period style, electrics panel for the dash. Once I know the bezel size of the warning lights, I will etch the background design and legends.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 14, 2015, 08:29:48 PM
Very tidy panel.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 15, 2015, 03:09:58 PM
Thanks.
Still waiting for the three warning lamps, but it looks a little less plain now.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on July 15, 2015, 04:33:17 PM
Now that looks good, you would think you bought it


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on July 15, 2015, 08:46:28 PM
We need another category on the home page Andy ........ Headed    ' Elite Builds'   and this one should be at the top. Great design work Dave 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on July 15, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
Thanks.
Still waiting for the three warning lamps, but it looks a little less plain now.

Simply lovely :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 16, 2015, 08:32:14 AM
 :-[ :-[ :-[
Thanks folks.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on July 16, 2015, 06:30:26 PM
Olds.You certainly are switched on. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on July 16, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
I think Dave ought to make a video of how he makes these etched panels , any body else agree with me  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 16, 2015, 07:29:07 PM
Tis magic. Magic I tell 'e.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 16, 2015, 08:00:19 PM
Tis magic. Magic I tell 'e.
Argh, tis all true.
But if I did a video, everyone would realise it's not difficult. Next time I will do in progress pics (and make it look really hard to do).
Started riveting the two layers of dashboard. Copper rivets are cut down, large roofing clout nails, that have had the heads turned to size in the lathe. Slightly tedious job, but the heads were a bit big and far from circular.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 17, 2015, 04:59:26 PM
Today went well. Finished the riveting, welded on the dash mounting tabs, modified some warning lamps and did the cut out for the ammeter/switch panel.
Not fully decided on speedo or rev counter positions yet.
Will have to remount the frame on the chassis to check steering column hole position.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on July 17, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
Fair play Dave, you really do turn out good work


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 17, 2015, 07:05:37 PM
Thanks. :D The engine turning on the dash took a while but I think it was worth it. Not quite as crisp as I would have liked though.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 17, 2015, 09:20:33 PM
Ooh, Mr Olds, you do make some pretty things.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 19, 2015, 10:39:25 PM
Thank you kind sir.
Starter panel. Inspired by a 1920's Bosch magneto switch.  Needs a little more work and a vintage style lever choke.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 19, 2015, 11:04:43 PM
Dat's nice too.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on July 20, 2015, 05:55:43 AM
Number eight being the 8th build you have done? or meaning something else?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 20, 2015, 08:48:14 AM
Has two meanings, first, the car is based on a Morris Eight and second, yep you guessed it, this is my eighth build/restoration, though only the second OLDS. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on July 20, 2015, 07:54:32 PM
That is very nice Dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 21, 2015, 08:00:48 PM
 ;D
I have joined MM in the land of dust. Yep filling and sanding. Not going to do any filling on the ally panels and I hate using filler, but the rear needs it, to cover the welding where I had to add three inches to lengthen and reshape it. Luckily building a car that's supposed to look like an eighty year old special means I don't have to worry about getting it perfect. Probably about 4 hours work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 21, 2015, 08:23:55 PM
Not 4 weeks like mine then.  :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 23, 2015, 05:44:02 AM
Nope. Just about finished.  But then it's not a whole car like yours and no fiddly areas.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 24, 2015, 11:12:57 AM
Just spent 2 hours reading this thread.. 8) cool.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 24, 2015, 04:52:49 PM
Thank you Mr Stinkey. I know it's been a wet day, but I'm surprised anyone would want to spend that much time reading this. :)

Had to remount the body frame, to work out the position of the hole in the dash, for the steering column. With the amount of work involved in making this dash, there was lots of measuring ( and re measuring ) then a heart in mouth few minutes, while cutting the hole. Followed by a huge whoop of joy when it fitted perfectly. ;D
I also found a chrome pull and twist, T handle choke cable, that I think looks right but I am still pondering a twist lever system. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 24, 2015, 05:53:53 PM
Lovely work Mr Olds.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on July 24, 2015, 06:00:08 PM
wow, looks great.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 24, 2015, 06:51:56 PM
Seeing has it was raining and I'm not able to do much in the mornings I thought I'd check out fellow monkeys work..one can always pick up ideas and learn..well done sir


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 28, 2015, 10:55:52 AM
 ;D
A bad back has prevented much progress, but I have refurbished the front springs. Though truth be told not a lot was required, as these were bought on Ebay at a ridiculously low price and were in near new condition.  All traced of grease dirt etc. was washed off with white spirit and a wire brush. They were then repainted and once dry, warmed then soaked in near boiling Waxoyl, making sure it penetrated fully, between the leaves and leaving a nice coating all over. A bit like how we used to do bike chains.
I know there are lots of opinions on lubricating leaf springs,  all I can say is, this works for me.
Unless I am extremely lucky and find a similar condition rear set of springs, the ones fitted will need to be completely stripped and rebuilt.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: goose on July 31, 2015, 06:15:34 PM
lovely work dave ..


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 01, 2015, 12:20:55 PM
Thanks.
Have spent a lot of time looking through Morris, BMC, BL and MG part numbers and info, trying to find the correct silent-bloc and rubber bushes to fit the rear springs. Seems that some MG T series used the same ones. Makes life easier and cheaper. 16 for a complete rebuild kit.
Started on the front steering components. Trying to do this methodically, so as parts are removed, they are stripped, cleaned, checked and repainted.
With pics taken for reference later.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 04, 2015, 04:14:33 PM
I do like working on really old cars. Everything is so simple. Three spanners and a hammer and the whole of the front suspension / axle are out and ready for stripping. This also means that I can easily paint the front section of the chassis.
Not sure how well this thing would have handled as I found the castor wedges (between the axle and spring) were fitted the wrong way round. ???


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 06, 2015, 12:50:57 PM
New bushes for the front of the front springs have arrived. A few minutes on the lathe and I have a simple removal/instalation tool.
The original plain phos-bronze bushes were supposed to be greased every 500 miles (as if that's ever going to happen) so thought I'd try Oilite bushes instead. They should help the pins last longer and at 6 a pair even if I have to replace them every year it's no big deal.
While deciding what to do with the old springs I realised one was longer than the other. It had sagged so much that there was a spring height difference of over an inch.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 06, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
Lucky I found replacements for these.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on August 06, 2015, 07:23:49 PM
'Oilite' is ok provided you do not have to ream them to final size, as no doubt you are aware, Dave, as reaming them closes up the surface of the bush, and they don't stand up to shock loads as well as Phosphor Bronze, Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 06, 2015, 08:49:31 PM
Agreed Morrag. They went in ok with a nice running fit. I will leave the grease nipples in the pins and if wear is excessive, then I can easily go back to phos bronze.
What I didn't realise was, Oilite was originaly developed by the Chrysler Corperation in 1930, for this very application and it became one of their biggest earners.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on August 06, 2015, 10:19:49 PM
Well, there you go! I certainly didn't realise that, interesting............


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 08, 2015, 07:15:47 AM
Separated the axle beam from the stub axles and found that it has had new kingpins and bearings fitted, so that's one job I don't have to worry about. :D Also, because of the way the front wheels spun so smoothly, I think there may be new wheel bearings as well.
So far, so good.  ;D
Not a bad looking axle. If anyone is after a drop axle for a light weight rod, one like this, might be worth considering.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 08, 2015, 01:08:49 PM
That's nice in't it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 09, 2015, 07:27:05 AM
Not a lot of use for those weird folk, who insist on using a ridiculous transverse leaf spring though. ;D

Taking advantage of the fine weather, I brush painted the firewall using silver hammerite smooth. Bloody awful stuff to use on panels. Too thick and it sags, too thin, there are horrendous brush marks and it's four hours between coats. Found that adding a very small amount of white spirit for the top coat and I could get a reasonable, 'brushed aluminium' finish.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 09, 2015, 08:04:59 AM
Separated the axle beam from the stub axles and found that it has had new kingpins and bearings fitted, so that's one job I don't have to worry about. :D Also, because of the way the front wheels spun so smoothly, I think there may be new wheel bearings as well.
So far, so good.  ;D
Not a bad looking axle. If anyone is after a drop axle for a light weight rod, one like this, might be worth considering.
are you going to drill some lightness into that axle ? It's begging for lightness I can hear it,honestly 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 09, 2015, 08:09:11 AM
Not a lot of use for those weird folk, who insist on using a ridiculous transverse leaf spring though. ;D

Taking advantage of the fine weather, I brush painted the firewall using silver hammerite smooth. Bloody awful stuff to use on panels. Too thick and it sags, too thin, there are horrendous brush marks and it's four hours between coats. Found that adding a very small amount of white spirit for the top coat and I could get a reasonable, 'brushed aluminium' finish.
Well brush strokes make it look correct then ? That looks rather like a very posh dog kennel ? You could sell some of those I'm sure dave ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on August 09, 2015, 08:45:53 AM
I had a go at spraying smooth Hammerite a few years ago, once I got the thinning ratio right the results were not at all bad, although I was only using it in places that were not in full view. The big problem was cleaning the gun out, flushing the thinners through only removed the surface of any build up in the gun body, it ended up in a full strip down and pick the bits out with a small awl...... took me longer to do that than it did to do all the painting :-\

You defo have a good finish there Dave, what paint are you going to use on the chassis?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 09, 2015, 09:32:12 AM
Halfords gloss black brushing paint.
I haven't got room to completely strip the chassis in one go, so starting at the front and working back.
Wire wheeling old paint, rust and crud off. A wash with Hammerite Kurust followed by red oxide primer then two good coats of black. Folk dismiss Halfords stuff but I've found their Gloss Black gives a great finish and is tough. The underneath will have a coat of stone chip added.
Box sections will be internally coated with Waxoil once chassis painting is finished.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 09, 2015, 10:48:07 AM
Not a lot of use for those weird folk, who insist on using a ridiculous transverse leaf spring though.

-it's the way forward Dave!
I bought some very expensive enamel chassis paint from the 'net for my Pop, but not impressed with it. Might give the Halfords stuff a try. Preparation's always the key & the Pop's a bugger to even get a wire brush into to clean the chassis.
Nice kennel.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 09, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
Finish is not perfect, there will always be some brush marks and I'm certainly not going to skim and sand the chassis, but it does give a very glossy finish. Makes it hard to get a good pic. None of it will be on view unless peoples want to crawl underneath. It's mainly for corrosion protection.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2015, 06:49:44 AM
Busy morning.
Stripping down one of the front hubs/brakes. As I had suspected the wheel bearings have been replaced but slightly surprised to find no brake shoes, two of the wheel studs are missing and the drum looked like it had spent the last twenty years, in the sea. The drum has cleaned up well with no obvious wear and is in the oven having the VHT paint baked. Surprisingly the brake cylinder bolts and even the bleed nipple came out easily. At the moment this is in a jar of white spirit and I'm hopeful that it can be either reused, or kept as a spare
In the parts I have accumulated, I have two new wheel cylinders, brake shoes with new springs and even some wheel studs, so I should be ok for bits.
 And it's not even 08.00 yet


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on August 11, 2015, 06:53:20 AM
what about springs etc?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2015, 07:20:58 AM
Yep, think I've got it all, at least for one axle.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on August 11, 2015, 07:50:00 AM
not had the drums of mine yet!!!! but know i need a wheel bearing(bought already)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2015, 06:39:30 PM
Spoke too soon ! I have been keeping some of the parts (mainly old stuff I probably wont use) in a shed. Today I can't find the box of new brake shoes, springs and wheel cylinder rebuild kits. Thought I must have mislaid it then realised the boxes with the lucas horns and the sidelights are also missing.  :o  I have turned the place upside down but no joy. :'(
I am not suggesting that these parts may have been stolen of course. Yes I am ! Though what good Morris 8 brakes will be to some toe rag I have no idea!  >:( The period Lucas stuff I can sort of understand, there is a market for it.
Luckily the new wheel cylinders (65 each) and handbrake cables are stored inside with the more expensive or one off parts. And I still have  enough original brake shoes. Going to cost 40 An axle, to get new linings though.
To top it all the new wheel studs are too long, but at least the wheel nuts are correct.



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 11, 2015, 10:11:46 PM
Really Dave?! You've really been broken into?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 12, 2015, 12:13:44 AM
Yep ! Though broken into is probably the wrong word as I never used to lock this shed. Probably just oppotunistic. Most of the stuff is just old car and bike bits in open crates and the usual junk folk have in sheds. But I box up parts for the build until needed and these would have been near the door. Three fairly small sealed boxes, easy to take. They probably had no idea what was in them.
I's not so much the cost, more the time taken to find these bits.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on August 12, 2015, 07:48:08 AM
think you need a lock mr olds!!!! hope you can find replacement parts ok.

i'm a bit too trusting, realy need to upgrade my garage security(open one side with just a tarp across!!!)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 12, 2015, 02:30:05 PM
The boot & back seat of my daily driver are always full of parts for one project or another. I often think that if it was stolen, the one-off hand made bits & 50 or 60 year old parts would be more of a loss than the car.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 12, 2015, 06:15:41 PM
Yesterday I felt angry, but it's done and I can't change that. After all it's only stuff. Hardest to replace (at a sensible price) will be the early brass sidelights.
Ho-hum, never mind.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 13, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
Front springs and axle are back in. I still need to rebuild the other hub, but at least it's some progress.
Apologies for the colour of the brake drum, but it's all I had.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 13, 2015, 11:50:15 PM
 :D I like it!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 14, 2015, 08:34:09 AM
Sorry to hear about your bits getting nicked ,is your shed not at your home then ? We've ( well she has ?) got two nutty yappy dogs that blooming ( I'd like to say something else ) bark at everything that comes near the place ,including me ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 14, 2015, 05:30:49 PM
It's at home but near a gate and security had been a bit lax of late. Our Labrador is a total dope, unlike our last dog, a giant GSD that used to keep everyone at away, especially the thieves that tried breaking into a neighbours home one night !  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on August 14, 2015, 07:31:02 PM
Maybe an electric fence, Dave...operating on 240v ac. of course :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 14, 2015, 08:29:05 PM
Like the idea Morrag  ;D All locked up now. Not that there's anything left worth taking.
Got some more unseen costs for this build.
The 'new' track rod ends and track rod fitted by a previous owner are wrong and in a big way,
The tapers had been modified to 'fit' by a blind man using an angle grinder.  :o
 Ok I think, luckily no damage to the hubs, just buy new track rod ends. How expensive can they be.... on ebay, close to 80. Found a specialist (Ian Harris) who can do them for 55. Better but still dear.  I then realise that the new track rod has been threaded 9/16", instead of 5/8" to suit the new, wrong ends! Not available anywhere so I will have to make one. To do this i will have to buy a pair of left and right hand thread 5/8" x 20 tpi dies. Not looked into the price for these yet, but I don't suppose they will be cheap. :(
Think I will take a few days off.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 15, 2015, 07:04:26 AM
That's one reason I stopped working on hot rods/cars..costs/aggravation/time...best to walk away and chill,I never set deadlines either it's meant to be fun :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on August 17, 2015, 08:40:59 AM
This is the company I always use for engineering supplies, I don't know how it compares to other prices, but the service is good as is the quality and choice.
www.mscdirect.co.uk 

Paul.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 17, 2015, 06:39:55 PM
Thanks, I will keep them in mind but luckily at the moment I'm OK.
On Saturday I found a pair of new old stock, Morris Oxford rod ends on ebay. I knew they would fit the track rod but was unsure about the taper. At less than 11 inc delivery, thought it was worth the risk. Arrived this morning :o and sure enough the taper was wrong.
With nothing to loose, I set about machining them. Took four attempts to set the taper correctly before attempting to machine the rod ends, and taking it very slowly I now have a pair of rod ends that fit perfectly.
Happy bunny again.  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 17, 2015, 07:59:20 PM
Well done that man  8) you do know that we will be asking similar things now ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 17, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
Should've used an angle grinder like what that other bloke did.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 19, 2015, 06:48:55 AM
 :D
Couldn't have made a worse job of it !
Other hub is done and fitted. Waiting for some shims to sort out the vertical play.
Also waiting for a pair of wire spoked wheels purchased on ebay. That will make three I have, so still looking for at least one more. Not expecting them to be in great condition, but the main thing is the wheel centres. The rest I can rebuild.
Six stud 4" pcd is rather rare. While this wheel looks good, it's actualy rusted through on he insde of the rim.
 When Morris changed from wire wheels to the later steel 'easyclean' ones, they used the same rim, just not dimpled and drilled, so there is potential to use the rims from later wheels.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 19, 2015, 07:49:41 AM
Can I ask what size are those rims ? Looking at them I'd say you could use some motorbike rims ? I used to use a shop in Salisbury that do wire wheels..not sure if they are still there ? And buggered if I can remember their name ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 19, 2015, 08:06:05 AM
2.5x17, 36 spoke, (12/24) cross one pattern.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 19, 2015, 08:24:40 AM
There is a guy (James whieldon ?) Classiccarama.com in Salisbury who rebuilds wire wheels,but most likely expensive ? Still can't think of the firm I used ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Chevy Rick on August 19, 2015, 08:48:33 AM
 ;) JAMES WHEILDON. Address: Old Brickwood Farm, West Grimstead, Salisbury SP5 3RN Phone: 01722 712701. Fax: 01722 712503
A good mate of mine has built many a wheel for me.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 19, 2015, 09:19:57 AM
Cheers guys.
I prefer to build my own wheels, but am looking out for rims and spokes.
May give him a call once I have enough wheels.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 22, 2015, 09:40:38 AM
No no no, this can't be possible. :o
After a year of searching for them, it seems, the wire wheels I bought, have been 'lost' by Yodel.  :'(
How the #### can you lose a pair of vintage car wheels on a 25 mile journey. >:( :'(



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 22, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
Saw your post about this on FaceBook Dave. Incredible. I know they're the opposition, (I work for Royal Mail), but I've yet to hear a good word about them. Fingers crossed they turn up, delivered to the wrong road, in the wrong town.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 22, 2015, 01:55:23 PM
Guess they rely on PratNavs ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 22, 2015, 02:52:31 PM
According to the tracking system, they haven't been delivered anywhere ! ??? Just hoping that they are still in the back of a van somewhere, but that's not likely.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 22, 2015, 06:18:53 PM
They make us look good.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on August 22, 2015, 07:08:43 PM
postman is always good.  :D :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 23, 2015, 08:02:34 AM
They make us look good.
They make everyone look good. Perhaps they have found, that they make more money from their premium rate, complaints line.
Think I may give up on wire wheels and go for speed discs instead. At least I can make these easily and it would save a lot of bother


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 23, 2015, 09:39:50 AM
So do they compensate you ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 23, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
Bought through ebay, so will be able to get back what I paid.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 23, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
That's not right though..bloody fools..


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on August 23, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
So where does all this missing stuff go?? I have carbs and exhaust manifold missing for months. Just had a moment! It could be in one of Stinkeys black holes.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 23, 2015, 06:57:44 PM
Those holes are translucent green and all recycled.. 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 23, 2015, 08:17:58 PM
 :D
Just bought a radiator, that if the dimensions I was given are correct, should fit snugly inside the rad shell. It even has the starting handle hole in the right position in the bottom tank. It's core area must be almost twice that of the Mini rad that came with the car and should be up to the job.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 23, 2015, 08:51:12 PM
Comes with holes ? Sounds like my sort of radiator..


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on August 26, 2015, 05:22:58 PM
Well what a great read/build, top work looking forward to more updates. Andy

PS I built an English wheel to help out with the body work, only had one small go with it so far.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 26, 2015, 08:37:36 PM
Any news on your wheels yet Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 26, 2015, 09:06:19 PM
Nope  :'(  Yodel won't talk to me, so waiting on the sender to get back to me.
Managed to find one more that should be on it's way.  Not going to hold my breath waiting for any of these to actually turn up.

Due to other problems, I've not managed to make any progress other than shimming the king pins .

Thanks, NS
Always fancied an English wheel, but don't think that I can warrant the cost, or space it would take up.  So all shaping is done using brute force (usually hammers) and ignorance (not a clue what I'm doing). Seems to work for me.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 27, 2015, 12:49:40 PM
The single wheel turned up complete with tyre. A goodyear deluxe all weather with diamond tread. Don't think I shall be using this as it was made in september 1960. The rim may be salvageable but I doubt it and the spokes certainly aren't but the wheel centre is good.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 08, 2015, 05:38:59 PM
Feeling fit enough to start working on the car again !
Made a start on the new swan neck gear lever. Even with the remote change on the Morris box, I need a lever thats nearly two foot long. Rather than the usual tapered bent bar, I decided to fabricate something, a little different.  At the gearbox end, it's an I section and as it tapers back, it slowly changes to a T section. Then I threw some holes at it.
Not quite finished, but nearly there.



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 08, 2015, 06:43:23 PM
That's a lovely, lovely thing Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on September 08, 2015, 06:59:42 PM
that looks rather smart


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on September 08, 2015, 07:07:47 PM
very nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 08, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
Thanks folks
. Started off with a length of 30 x 6 flat bar. Beating it into shape was a bit hard (really must get that forge finished) and there is still some smoothing to do, before welding on the selector. Should turn out, pretty close to the sketch from last September. Only taken me a year to make it. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on September 08, 2015, 07:39:54 PM
blimey, proper pictures!!!! with measurements aswell.

found this on f/b

(http://imagehosting.rodsnsods.co.uk/555ef392553322.jpg)

(http://imagehosting.rodsnsods.co.uk/555ef3925bac12.jpg)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 08, 2015, 08:24:25 PM
That's tidy. Looks small, so I assume it's an Austin 7.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on September 08, 2015, 08:43:16 PM
Given the length off centre, will the weight of the lever not put undue pressure on the selector hubs?  and drop out of 1st and 3rd if you let go of the lever!     


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on September 08, 2015, 08:47:11 PM
DOH ;D  Scratch that last comment, I already asked the same question earlier on in the thread and you have answered.  Brain ache time sorry :D :D :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on September 08, 2015, 09:24:37 PM
Brain ache time sorry

I believe the technical term is 'brain fade'   ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 08, 2015, 09:52:07 PM
Happens to me all the time. :D

No need to appologise as it's a valid point. For anyone who hasn't read  earlier sections of this build.
 The gear box has been modified to give a much shorter throw of the gear lever, which increases the effort required to change gear (or for the lever to drop out of gear), this should be counteracted by the now longer gear lever. As long as the lever doesn't weigh too much, all should be ok.
Surprisingly, it only weighs 0.6kg and due to the shape and profile, most of that weight is at the gearbox end, it's balance point being a third of the way along.
If I do find any problems with the lever dropping, I can always add a balance spring to counter this.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 10, 2015, 11:43:09 AM
Gear lever fitted and ready for welding and paint. Had to shorten it a little and I added a few more holes. Before final welding I plan on making a brass keeper plate, to fit on the remote instead of the steel one. Also need to find/make a better gear knob.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on September 10, 2015, 02:50:13 PM
You certainly are talented


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 10, 2015, 03:00:00 PM
I like that gear knob. Looks great Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on September 10, 2015, 07:00:55 PM
I like that gear knob. Looks great Dave.

But would it feel great in your hand?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 10, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Hmm. What design would you suggest Bobbi?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 10, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
I like that gear knob. Looks great Dave.

But would it feel great in your hand?
Ohh err missus ! We'll have less of that smutty talk.  :D

It was a bit small but this one feels a bit better. Machined from aluminium and polished. Top has been left plain for the moment. Looking for a nice deco design for it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 10, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
 :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on September 10, 2015, 09:05:33 PM
That's luvly!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on September 10, 2015, 09:43:58 PM
nice knob!!!!  oerrr!! lol


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on September 10, 2015, 10:16:59 PM
I was going to do similar on mrs trike..cos she saw your drawing..I told her if I can get some different types of holes then we should be ok ?..nice one sir 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 12, 2015, 09:45:01 AM
Cheers. :)
Remember with graduated holes, to store each size seperately, otherwise the smaller holes fall into the larger ones, never to be seen again.

Brass keeper plate. Doesn't make the gear change any different, but looks far better that the naff pressed steel one.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on September 12, 2015, 11:08:29 AM
 8) 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on September 12, 2015, 12:24:19 PM

Remember with graduated holes, to store each size seperately, otherwise the smaller holes fall into the larger ones, never to be seen again.

pmsl!!!!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 16, 2015, 09:40:26 PM
Had a look at the rear springs and found out why the rear end sits a bit low.
According to the parts book, there should be seven leaves, but there are only five,
plus a cut down leaf acting as a spacer lowering the rear further. ::)
Had no luck finding new or even second hand replacements so I'll try to rebuild the springs, mixing and matching leaves from the old front ones, to get the right ride height and spring rate. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on September 16, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
what model are they? i've a pair of springs here, of something from the 30's

if any good you can have them. might be a bit expensive to send though.

will get a pic up tomorrow.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 17, 2015, 06:46:41 AM
Thanks Chris. 1946/47 Morris Eight. Think I should be OK, using a combination of parts and possibly re arching, but if the springs happen to be right by some miracle, I'll definitely have them. 7 leaf 37" eye to eye, 1 1/2"wide.
Because the car weighs so much less now, some playing around with the springs is inevitable.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2015, 11:35:32 AM
I always knew that some parts would be hard to find, but it seems a lot of bits are unavailable anywhere. Today I had to make a pair of blanking plugs to fit below the king pins, these were turned up in brass and a pair of retainers for the felt washers that fit above the king pins, these I spun from sheet aluminium.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2015, 11:37:14 AM
These are small items, that would be hard to do without and difficult to make without a lathe.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Stix on September 18, 2015, 11:41:57 AM
It's often the little parts that can be the hardest to find, as you say good job you have a lathe and the ability to use it.

Stix


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on September 18, 2015, 04:51:05 PM
The top of an old tin can would have done ? ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Stix on September 18, 2015, 05:19:56 PM
The top of an old tin can would have done ? ::)

But the top of an old tin can would not have the hole in it!!! :D :D

Stix


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2015, 05:31:01 PM
Actually a hole within a hole. The aluminium discs were holes cut from the dash for the light switches. So I am recycling old scrap holes :D
Didn't have any old tin can lids in stock. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on September 18, 2015, 09:40:44 PM
Oh man, your going to blow Stinkeys mind with that one ....... Holes within Holes     ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on September 18, 2015, 10:42:07 PM
You can't fool me guys..tin cans come with holes in the lids ,just pull the ring pull ? And iv been eating the holes from polo mints for years..and any holes I make when doing my brackets. I reuse them .. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 22, 2015, 10:44:13 AM
Seems the rear springs may have rusted solid !
Despite having a couple of leaves missing, with rear of the car up on chassis stands and a jack lifting the axle, the springs defect less than 10mm before the chassis lifts off of  the stands. :o
 I know the car is a lot lighter now, but I would expect a bit more movement than that.
Hopefull I will get the rear axle out and the springs stripped this week, but it's looking more and more like I will need to re arch the springs. :(

While the front suspension came apart easily, the rear is proving to be, what one might say, slightly more difficult.
    Think I may need some new U bolts.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on September 22, 2015, 12:56:49 PM
Good grief!    :o


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 22, 2015, 05:52:05 PM
Not quite as bad as it looks BG.  When trying to undo the nuts one of the U bolts sheared. So I figured I might as well cut them off and replace with new. Much safer that way.

Rear spring compared with an old front spring. Definately lost a bit of curve..


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on September 22, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
Nice work, look at all this old stuff, I would like to try my hand at something like this for the sands. Andy


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 23, 2015, 08:57:47 AM
Top leaf re arched. Now just have to do the rest to match. I am aiming for a 1 1/2" lift, which should get the car level. I hope.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on September 23, 2015, 09:57:24 AM
So how do you put the spring back into a spring that doesn't?   I'm never going to want to do it but I love to know these things!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 23, 2015, 12:37:03 PM
Not needed here, but spring steel can be re hardened then tempered by heat treatment. Ideally the spring should be annealed, formed then heat treated.

The spring leaves had rusted together, stopping them from sliding over each other, causing them to form a solid block. They had also sagged due to holding the weight of the car for almost 70 years. But the leaves still had plenty of "spring" to them
By carefully re bending each leaf slightly past the spring back point, moving back a forth along the leaf, to get to the desired shape, it is possible to cold re arch the spring. I used the hydraulic pipe bender for this.
Once cleaned, painted, lubricated, and with new bushes, they should, hopefully give many years more service.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on September 23, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Cheers Olds!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 28, 2015, 11:30:14 AM
One pair of matched, re arched, re bushed and rebuilt springs. Would have been much simpler, but perhaps less fun, if I could have bought new.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on September 28, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Not needed here, but spring steel can be re hardened then tempered by heat treatment. Ideally the spring should be annealed, formed then heat treated.

The spring leaves had rusted together, stopping them from sliding over each other, causing them to form a solid block. They had also sagged due to holding the weight of the car for almost 70 years. But the leaves still had plenty of "spring" to them
By carefully re bending each leaf slightly past the spring back point, moving back a forth along the leaf, to get to the desired shape, it is possible to cold re arch the spring. I used the hydraulic pipe bender for this.
Once cleaned, painted, lubricated, and with new bushes, they should, hopefully give many years more service.

I like that method, nice work. Andy


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 28, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
 :)
New box section crossmember (one that wont be hit by the axle case) fitted so I can now cut out the last of the 'bed frame' angle iron, welded in by a previous  owner.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 01, 2015, 03:54:20 PM
The rear axle is causing a few headaches. The internals and halfshafts are Morris 8 but the casing appears to be an early Morris banjo one. This coupled with the Morris z van, tele shock conversion, that was badly done, means the new U bolts don't fit (the old ones had been bent to make them go on). I also don't have any dampers. So rooting in my big box of bit I found a pair of rear lever arm shocks that are still good, but no links to the axle.  A bit more rummaging and I found a pair of new MGB links from a previous build and a pair of old short links from, something. The MG links fit the axle, the short links fit the lever arms, so grinder and welder and all is fine.
Should also look a little more period than telescopic, but would love a set of friction shocks. Perhaps one day, as an addition, not purely for aesthetics, but would add some adjustment to damping.



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on October 04, 2015, 10:01:50 AM
Could you not make some friction shocks? Should be easy compared to some of the stuff you manage, and you do have a lathe?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 04, 2015, 02:37:56 PM
Funny you should say that.
Yep could do and probably will, already sort of planned at least for the front. Hartford shocks are expensive but the only difficult part to make would be  the spring and they are quite cheap. Thought along the lines of something a bit big, to match the shape of the front and got to have some etched brass. Lots of other, more important stuff to do first though.
Have just bought a Mk IV Spitfire fuel tank, on evil bay. Thought I would have to make something, but this should fit perfectly and allow fitting the filler through the top of the tail section. Just hope it turns up. Never did get the wheels.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 07, 2015, 04:28:27 PM
Trying to source parts for the rear axle meant having to identify it first.
 This should be easy, thinks I.
  Well I thought WRONG !
The half shafts are definitely Morris 8, but the casing is a bit like a Morris Minor one, only it's not.
Apparently, it's from the last of the Morris 8 vans. These were made, mainly for the Post Office.
Info is scarce, but it seems like there was limited production, and only for a couple of years.
Made finding seals and the like, oh so much fun. ::)
Happily, it looks like some 1949-53 Minor parts will fit. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 07, 2015, 06:44:51 PM
I always seem to buy "cross over year" vehicles, when they changed from one fitting to another & neither seems to fit.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 07, 2015, 07:29:32 PM
Yep been there. :D
So far I've been lucky. Finding parts for something this old, is usually a matter of finding what else it may have been used on and having an original parts list helps.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 09, 2015, 11:00:59 AM
Yey ! Fuel tank arrived and it fits. ;D
Only just mind you. No signs of rust or leaks and even the sender unit works. Cost  37.50 delivered which is less then the price of a sender unit. Plan is to make a mounting frame/ rear hoop that sits under the body and have top harness mounts fitted . The filler cap can also to be mounted to this frame (or may just be mounted direct to the tank) and through a hole in the boat tail.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 09, 2015, 11:08:12 AM
Having visited Mr Olds's garage yesterday evening, I can confirm it's all looking rather spiffing. Nice work Sir.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on October 09, 2015, 09:20:11 PM
Got yourself a good deal on the tank  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 10, 2015, 04:17:54 PM
Thanks MM  :)
Yep, think it was a good deal NS (too many Andy's  :D)
Postie delivered the new UJ's for the prop and the pinion flange seal, for the axle today, so the prop is ready to go back in once it's been painted and the axle is done.
While the axle was being stored, nose down, the oil dripped out all over the floor,  ::) so I knew that a new pinion seal was needed.
Getting the flange nut undone took a lot of force despite it being soaked in WD40 for the past week. By a lot of force I mean 460 lb/ft, which is me standing on the end of a three foot breaker bar.
 Went with such a bang, that I was sure something had sheared but all is fine.
Think the flange needs sleeving or replacing. :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 10, 2015, 07:47:22 PM
Liking this build..nice and not to elaborate or over the top..nice one sir  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 10, 2015, 09:38:25 PM
Thanks.
The new seal was very tight on the shaft of the flange, so I have taken a small risk, in skimming the surface in the lathe, followed by burnishing using a polished tungsten carbide tool. This both polishes and work hardens the surface.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 11, 2015, 10:36:48 PM
Well the axle is back in and the car is on it's wheels and I am very pleased with the result.  :)
The chassis rails are now parallel to the ground. A bit higher up admittedly, (which I like) with new springs up front and rebuilt, arched springs at the back,  the main thing is, both ends now have some bounce, instead of feeling like the chassis is sat on bricks.
I will try to get the car outside for a pic sometime.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 12, 2015, 09:16:19 AM
Yeah, I want to see photos!  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 12, 2015, 09:41:13 AM
Me to  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 12, 2015, 10:56:08 AM
OK ! ::)
Included myself to give an idea of size.
Looks a lot less complete than earlier pics. All the alloy body panels are safely stored away.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 12, 2015, 10:57:33 AM
From the back.
Sitting a bit higher now.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 12, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Cockpit. Just because I like the gear lever  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on October 12, 2015, 11:18:46 AM
That puts it in perspective, I didn't quite realise just how tall she is.   I too like the gear lever...... LOTS 8) 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 12, 2015, 07:13:01 PM
Yeah, but Dave's only 3 foot 6.
I like the tall ride height.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on October 12, 2015, 07:59:27 PM
Looks good the way it should, gear lever is outstanding.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on October 12, 2015, 11:29:33 PM
did the good lady ,,,boss,, take the pictures,,??? the garden is rather ,,spiffing,, ;) ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 13, 2015, 06:05:45 AM
  ;D Cheers guys.
 I'm at least 3 foot 6 1/2" as you fully well know ! >:(

Yep, from previous pics, folk seem to think that it's similar to an Austin 7 Ulster in size, but it's 14" longer in wheelbase and proportionately bigger all round.
As I said at the start of the build, I want this to be tall and narrow. More 1920s than the later, lower stance, that evolved for sports/race cars in the 30s.
Makes getting in harder but working underneath easier. :)

Pics taken by my daughter.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on October 13, 2015, 09:42:19 AM
Makes getting in harder but working underneath easier. :)

same as mine!!!!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: trev on October 13, 2015, 01:43:26 PM
thats brilliant.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 14, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
 ;D
The prop tunnel is in a poor state having previously been, cut, riveted, dented, drilled and mounted too high. The rear transverse floor supports have also been removed. None of this by me I might add.
 Rather than trying to repair, I had decided to replace it all with new steel and while the prop is out seems a good time to do it.
  Just need to borrow, a meter length of 4" diameter steel bar or heavy tube, to form the tunnel over. Hmmm, wonder what size lamp posts are ? ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 14, 2015, 05:51:57 PM
 :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 14, 2015, 06:07:35 PM
Co2 bottle maybe, Dave....


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on October 14, 2015, 06:49:14 PM
fire extinguisher  used and use it,,, or use it as a former  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 16, 2015, 01:01:09 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys.
Lunatic had a bit of heavy wall 5" stainless tube in his workshop so I nicked borrowed that. Thanks mate.
 A bit big in diameter but it gave me something to start forming the tunnel over, then it was a matter of tightening up the radius over a scaffold pole, to get the final shape
Not a lot to show for four hours work. but the tunnel was a real pig to shape evenly. as it's  18 swg steel and just over thee foot long.
Think I may clad the tunnel in aluminium, or perhaps even brass or copper, once it's finished.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 17, 2015, 08:34:46 AM
Nicely done Dave. How did you fold the flange so evenly -before or after you rolled the tunnel?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 17, 2015, 09:17:50 AM
Before.
I put the steel between two massive bits of angle iron, that I mount in the big vice, with clamps at each end. Then slowly hammer the material over using a large lump hammer and a long block of wood to spread the load, to reduce stretching and denting .
Two bits of kit, that I should have bought or made years ago, but never got around to, are a decent length folder and a rolling machine.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on October 17, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
The problem is they take up room olds. Nice work, even the sketch is good.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 17, 2015, 08:02:33 PM
 :D
Been playing origami with the tunnel making it fit together. One more panel to make, across the whole width, between the floor supports/tunnel and the shelf, then I can weld it all together. The existing galv panels can be taken out (bolted in) to allow welding and then may be put back, as they will act as splash panels.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 17, 2015, 08:17:35 PM
Very pretty. Have you added a flange at the back of the tunnel there?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 17, 2015, 08:36:29 PM
Yep. I deliberately made the tunnel long enough to form (hammer) a flange to make spot welding to the front panel easier. Hardest part was working out the elipse, as the panel is at an angle. Tunnel has also been cut and flanges or tabs folded out, to weld the transverse panels in place.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 17, 2015, 08:44:20 PM
I love the fact mr olds uses big technical words ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 17, 2015, 08:58:11 PM
And makes pretty stuff.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 17, 2015, 10:34:29 PM
Nah, that's not technical, its when the moon covers the sun, and it goes dark in the day!! honest..... ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 18, 2015, 07:22:58 AM
 ::)
Occasionally I wonder, why I endeavour to present a concise sumarization of the photographic depictions. It can be comparable to, conversing with a group of arboreal simiiformes.  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 18, 2015, 08:42:07 AM
P-r-e-t-t-y   p-i-c-t-u-r-e-s.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Dslam on October 18, 2015, 09:23:25 AM
::)
Occasionally I wonder, why I endeavour to present a concise sumarization of the photographic depictions. It can be comparable to, conversing with a group of arboreal simiiformes.  ;) :D ;D

I think the comma is in the wrong place ;D and summarization has two emms unless you are not referring to that part of the year between spring and autumn, but then it may have regardless of context ???. Who knows? Who cares?
Brilliant thread by the way.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 18, 2015, 09:37:41 AM
I think we're all to clever on here ? :-[ I don't remember learning big words at school though ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 18, 2015, 10:23:13 AM
::)
Occasionally I wonder, why I endeavour to present a concise sumarization of the photographic depictions.

I think the comma is in the wrong place ;D and summarization has two emms
Brilliant thread by the way.

Thank you.
While the comma is somewhat debateable, I believe that I am correct, putting the emphasis on the word, why. The erroneous spelling of the word, summarisation, is completely due to my own negligence and for that, I shall flagellate myself profusely. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 18, 2015, 10:39:25 AM
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on October 18, 2015, 11:43:48 AM
While the comma is somewhat debateable, I believe that I am correct, putting the emphasis on the word, why.

In fact both the commas are entirely unneccessary;  they are in fact aberrant commas, which is an interesting thing to see as I have only ever previously encountered aberrant apostrophes.

BG aka Mrs Pedant.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Dslam on October 18, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
I didn't want to point out the first comma as I wasn't sure. I was referring to the second one. I bow to your superior knowledge.
Olds, you need to get your act together ::)
Still a brilliant thread though. Can we go back to the build now please?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 18, 2015, 03:19:18 PM
 ;D
My grammer skills are virtually non existant but enough of this frivolity.

Panel made to join it all together.   I want to add some reinforcement to the underside of the tunnel in a couple of places such as, where the handbrake will be mounted, so it's not welded to the chassis yet.

Realised that what would once have been done in a day, has taken four ! :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 18, 2015, 06:56:42 PM
But doesn't it look good Dave. Nicely done -again.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 18, 2015, 07:30:09 PM
But doesn't it look good Dave. Nicely done -again.

What manky says


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 18, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
You get those in Australia, Dave, they live there, always have! even before Captain Cook.......


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on October 18, 2015, 08:37:58 PM
Very good, nice work from using hand tools.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 19, 2015, 06:39:41 AM
 :) Thanks folks.
Using only hand tools is a bit harder and does tend to take longer, but I am happy with the way it's working out.
It's as near as I can get it to how it would have come from the factory, including the stiffening swages on the kick panel.
The rear floor sections should now fit correctly, instead of being tilted up at the back.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on October 19, 2015, 07:38:41 AM
you should be real proud of your work dave.

even if you did have access to pro-tools i'd still be in awe of your work.

big respect. i've worked out my limits, body building is not one of them.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 20, 2015, 09:33:19 AM
 :-[
Thanks mate.
Pics always make things look better than they are.
Will not be doing much on it for a while.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 20, 2015, 09:52:33 AM
That's why I post grainy pics.. ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 20, 2015, 05:58:44 PM
 ;D
Oops made a bit of a blunder.  :-[  I was so concerned about getting everything right at the back end of the tunnel, that I hadn't noticed at the front, it didn't quite sit high enough into the  floor support/crossmember. Widthwise it was fine but there was a 1/4" or so gap at the top.
Had to stretch the tunnel upwards. Think I have almost managed to make it look like it is supposed to be like this. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on October 20, 2015, 06:19:24 PM
No-one else would know!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 20, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
We all know now ?  A man could use that knowledge to good use ?  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 21, 2015, 06:45:10 AM
 :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on October 21, 2015, 07:26:59 AM
nice get out there dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 24, 2015, 07:37:36 AM
 ;D
While looking for inspiration I came across a very familiar pic in google images.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mankymonkeymotors.co.uk/forum/gallery/1159_06_08_15_5_57_51.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.mankymonkeymotors.co.uk/forum/index.php?action%3Dgallery;sa%3Dview%26id%3D71&h=400&w=533&tbnid=AfHRv43WvErg0M:&docid=7yK1326LukyPOM&ei=ZVorVseCDci0UZb6tPgH&tbm=isch&ved=0CCYQMygJMAlqFQoTCIfJy6Dw2sgCFUhaFAodFj0Nfw

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoyz9mRwr_6nGL-7cROrCBUOGfU7HflwX-kbQfS2Rxrhxa7hfqvw.

The Olds Speedster is famous (well sort of) and it's not finished yet. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 24, 2015, 08:12:30 AM
I often find pics of my stuff on google ? Quite scary really ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 24, 2015, 10:20:11 AM
True but sort of fun. There are quite a few of the Olds Trike as well.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on October 24, 2015, 11:03:36 AM
For some reason or other, that is the first time I've seen it all in one piece sort of. Well done, very envious.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 24, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
God I could put some holes in that ? ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 24, 2015, 05:49:30 PM
Thanks coppersmith. More pics on page 36. Panels were removed so I could finish the frame and work on the mechanicals / chassis without fear of damaging them.
Lots of holes already stinkey plus a lot of slots but will be adding some more later.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on October 27, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
Yes it must be quite nice coming across your own car, it will sort of live forever in the 010101010 world.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 30, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
Possibly the most complicated fabricated sub assembly (panel wise) that I have done for some time. Amazingly, not only does it all go together, but it also fits the chassis.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 30, 2015, 10:27:30 PM
I thought it was an antique Hoover ? ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on October 30, 2015, 10:41:45 PM
Wood Burner.

As always great work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on November 01, 2015, 09:35:14 PM
Looks great , nice work. Andy


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on November 02, 2015, 10:14:41 PM
You could sell them Dave,as the olds patented Snow Shovel.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on November 03, 2015, 12:24:05 AM
You could sell them Dave,as the olds patented Snow Shovel.

WHAT IS ,,SNOW,,, ;D ;D and why shovel it   ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 04, 2015, 07:35:33 PM
Have to be rock star to need a shovel for snow. A credit card is usually enough to make a line. ;)
Some time ago I bought an amature made boot floor, figuring that I could improve it. Made out of several bits of badly welded galvanised steel and warped in many directions, I have decided to junk it and start from scratch, hammering it out from a single sheet of steel. Had to stop for the night because of the noise but its about half way there.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Archie on November 05, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
Nah. There was "rockstar" on the bbc last night being interviewed.

Turns out when he travels they book him another room in the hotel so he can build his model trains.

He got quite upset by this coming out and promptly changed the subject.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 05, 2015, 06:19:23 PM
 ;D
Rear/boot floor finished. Not perfect by any means and not welded in yet but it fits quite well and distortion was minimal. The two lumps are for clearance and access to the lever shock units and took a hell of a lot of hammering and heat to get right.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 05, 2015, 06:38:40 PM
A shame to hide that away inside the car Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 11, 2015, 08:24:37 AM
Thanks Andy.
Nothing really to show at the moment. Had some problems welding in the rear panel but it's done now. Think it's mainly down to lack of adjustment on the cheap mig I have (& I'm rubbish at welding). Lower setting and the weld didn't want to fuse to the old steel of the chassis rails, switch it up and it wanted to burn away the thinner sheet steel. Ended up having to do every plug/spot weld (& there are a lot of them) at the higher setting first, grind it flush then re weld at a lower setting.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on November 11, 2015, 10:03:19 AM
that sounds like a right ball ache!!!!

my welder is having a big hissy fit, but then it is nearly 20yr old!!!!!

trouble is once i run outa gas, wire theres no money to buy more.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on November 12, 2015, 12:21:55 AM
Beads look good for hammer work, must have strong arms and happy neighbours.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 12, 2015, 07:08:12 AM
 ;D
Luckily my neighbours are mostly in the late 70s or older and a bit deaf (well they are now) and everone seems to have got used to the constant noise emanating from the garage.
Hammer forming the stiffening beads causes less distortion at the ends than using a bead roller would (and I don't have a bead roller).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 12, 2015, 10:20:47 AM
Yeah, that's why I don't TIG weld -because I don't have one.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on November 12, 2015, 11:49:25 AM
;D
Luckily my neighbours are mostly in the late 70s or older and a bit deaf (well they are now) and everone seems to have got used to the constant noise emanating from the garage.
Hammer forming the stiffening beads causes less distortion at the ends than using a bead roller would (and I don't have a bead roller).
Iv got one and doesn't distort ? :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 12, 2015, 12:41:32 PM
Hmm. All the ones I've tried for large beads (these are 20mm) have distorted the ends of the panel where the  bead doesn't go due to it pulling the panel into shape rather than stretching the steel to form the bead. With  multiple parallel  beads, the panel ends up a lot shorter where the beads are, than down the sides where the panel is flat causing all sorts of twisting.
 Perhaps I was doing it wrong. :-\
Stunk the garage out applying a couple of coats of celly primer. Put on using a roller, but the finish is good enough for an area that won't be seen.   :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on November 12, 2015, 07:16:47 PM
looks real good to me.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 13, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
Looks like I may have found some wire wheels  ;D Only problem is they are in Peterborough  :( Waiting to hear if they can be sent by courier, as long as it's not Yodel.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 13, 2015, 09:34:45 PM
I'm coming home from Holland via Harwich next Monday evening Dave. I'll be in a van. Peterborough's a 2 hour detour from the ferry port if you want them collected.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 14, 2015, 06:14:16 AM
That is a very kind offer Andy but I won't know if I will have won the bid untill that evening, plus I wouldn't want to add to an already long journey.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on November 14, 2015, 08:27:40 AM
Hmm. All the ones I've tried for large beads (these are 20mm) have distorted the ends of the panel where the  bead doesn't go due to it pulling the panel into shape rather than stretching the steel to form the bead. With  multiple parallel  beads, the panel ends up a lot shorter where the beads are, than down the sides where the panel is flat causing all sorts of twisting.
 Perhaps I was doing it wrong. :-\
Stunk the garage out applying a couple of coats of celly primer. Put on using a roller, but the finish is good enough for an area that won't be seen.   :)

it may well be because of the size of the bead ? Iv never had enough shrinkage to notice ( ooh er mrs ! ) looks good though..a good bead is like a good hole..shows you've gone that extra bit ? 
Does this sound smutty ? :o


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on November 14, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
Hmm. All the ones I've tried for large beads (these are 20mm) have distorted the ends of the panel where the  bead doesn't go due to it pulling the panel into shape rather than stretching the steel to form the bead. With  multiple parallel  beads, the panel ends up a lot shorter where the beads are, than down the sides where the panel is flat causing all sorts of twisting.
 Perhaps I was doing it wrong. :-\
Stunk the garage out applying a couple of coats of celly primer. Put on using a roller, but the finish is good enough for an area that won't be seen.   :)

it may well be because of the size of the bead ? Iv never had enough shrinkage to notice ( ooh er mrs ! ) looks good though..a good bead is like a good hole..shows you've gone that extra bit ? 
Does this sound smutty ? :o

yes :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 14, 2015, 11:27:36 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Been starting to get the mid build blues recently. Not helped by the fact that the car looks far less complete than it did in the summer, when all the body panels were tempoarily attached.
So I did a stock take on what has been achieved so far. The chassis has been finished all bar the side covers and some paint. The body frame, panels and bonnet sections are all done and aside from using parts of a Minor bonnet, it's all been hand made. Suspension all round and front axle completely rebuilt. Engine and gearbox conversion finished (still don't know if it will run  :D). Still a lot to do but I think I may be on schedule for a two year build (not that there is a deadline).
 Might even take a week off (only kidding) ;D
What I'm trying to say is, during a long build there will be times when progress is slow and it seems that it will never get done. Instead of thinking about how much there is still to do, look back a see what has been achieved. A glass half full mentality can really help.

How it was August last year.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 15, 2015, 12:13:45 AM
That's very true Dave. I keep thinking my Pop isn't getting anywhere, but although I've taken a couple of weeks off from it to work on my bike, it's changed dramatically since it was last on the road.
Other people see the changes to our projects, but when you see them every day, sometimes we don't.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 16, 2015, 07:38:40 AM
Very true MM.
 I had the bright idea of giving myself, a little extra foot space by narrowing the cover where possible.
The result of this small aberration of the mind, was four hours of panel beating and I'm still not entirely happy with it. :-\
I have however manage to get an extra 20mm of foot space width. May not seem a lot but with a footwell this narrow every mm counts.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 16, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Looks fine to me! One of the few bits I'd change in the Pop -plenty of leg length, but no width at all. I have to drive with both feet on the pedals all the time because the footwell's so narrow.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on November 16, 2015, 05:01:40 PM
Dave, that looks spiffin' as per, and Mr. M, if the Pop is tight on foot room, you should try this bloody 3 wheeler of mine, you can only drive in the equivalent of Ballet pumps! really, and you don't half get some odd looks when you eventually struggle out, no doors either, in Levi's and pink shoes!! ;D only kidding, but space is zilch, and I take size 6!! so....


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 20, 2015, 09:34:56 PM
Cheers guys.
Made a start on the top seatbelt harness / fuel tank mount. Made from 33mm OD x 3mm wall tube, it fits tight under the boat tail and will be braced back down to the chassis.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 22, 2015, 09:13:36 PM
There are some ideas that should have stayed as just an idea. Agreeing to fit harness type belts was one of them.
The top harness mounting points are going to have to come through the boat tail and I figured that some form of 'aerodynamic' alterations would cover this up.
The rear is not what one could call flat, so it took a bit of flaffing around to get one side done. Now all I have to do is make the exact same thing, only handed, for the other side.
Not sure about the look, so I might also try to make something shorter, wider and rounder. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 23, 2015, 08:54:36 AM
Yay ! Got a set of four wire wheels off ebay that hopefully wont need totally rebuilding.
Now praying to the god of delivery that they actually turn up.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on November 23, 2015, 12:13:30 PM
with reference to your wheels, last week my carbs turned up in a black bin bag ! Seems the courier had gone scat and they had been left in a warehouse somewhere until the receiver allowed release, so, fingers crossed on your wheels.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 23, 2015, 12:41:13 PM
 :o Glad to hear they eventually arrived. :)
Got the other side done this morning.  I though making one side fit was awkward till i tried to make another one the same. Took two hours and much cursing but turned out ok.
Would have been a lot easier in aluminium.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 24, 2015, 09:45:42 PM
Look great Dave -& disguise any last trace of the boat tail's Moggy Minor origins.

Manky parts collection service is available if you need it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
Kind of you to say so MM but I think the shape and size is wrong. will try again but this time try to get the proportions of the cockpit fairing of an SE5A.
Hopefully I shouldn't need the Manky collection service.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: lunatic on November 25, 2015, 10:47:33 AM
Please do a vickers poking through the front cowl too!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 25, 2015, 10:51:48 AM
 :D I thought exactly the same!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
 ;D
Has been thought of, as has a Lewis mounted on a navigator side swivel mount.  :D
Still playing around with shapes as this is really going to alter the looks of the car that I need to get it right (and this isn't right).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on November 25, 2015, 05:41:22 PM
Looking back at the picture taken of the car out side on page 36, what about two cowls similar to what you have already made but that follow the same profiles of the top of the seat backs, in width and height. Out of the two designs you have done I like the latter. Bet your fore arms are a bit sore ;D 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 25, 2015, 06:33:18 PM
I'd love to know how you formed that Dave. I like that one too!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on November 25, 2015, 08:43:22 PM
That would be fine if it was a little longer.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 25, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
what about two cowls similar to what you have already made but that follow the same profiles of the top of the seat backs, in width and height.
Thought about that and mocked it out with card, but without corresponding humps in the scuttle, (like MG TD) it made the scuttle look odd.
Plus I am trying to make this a bit different.

I'd love to know how you formed that Dave.  
I would like to say that it was beaten from sheet but I cheated. It's a much reworked section of spare wheel well.

That would be fine if it was a little longer.
That is the next step to try. Use the front half or so and extend the rear tapering back down to the  lid. I can easily mock this up without cutting what's there.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 26, 2015, 01:28:54 PM
Finally got a shape that I'm happy with. Taller and wider than attempt 1, less weird than attempt 2. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on November 26, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0112.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on November 26, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
That does look better


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 26, 2015, 07:12:37 PM
Agreed.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on November 26, 2015, 07:30:57 PM
looks great.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 26, 2015, 09:42:49 PM
Thanks folks.
Last pic. showing both sides. Will need to weld in the safe edge and modify the lid before welding and riveting these in place.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on November 26, 2015, 11:06:10 PM
Much better.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 07, 2015, 11:46:16 AM
Nothing much has happened recently but  I have a new radiator mascot.  Old, short, hairy and wielding a hammer. Apparently my family think this looks like me !  :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on December 07, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11987086_1640532279538474_1901556509685211641_n.jpg?oh=b7ce047f07ec8f2ae5c7f773df56106e&oe=571A7490)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 07, 2015, 05:13:33 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 07, 2015, 05:39:45 PM
 :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on December 07, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
Well, there is, in certain light, a definite.......................... :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: melosman on December 07, 2015, 06:13:42 PM
Well, there is, in certain light, a definite.......................... :D :D :D :D

Yes there is


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 07, 2015, 06:19:43 PM
 :D
Used to be more so, but the change from full beard to chops was required as I was being mistaken for a 'hipster'.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on December 07, 2015, 06:52:41 PM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11021095_1607160106185613_4616408173587542753_n.jpg?oh=384bb23fdf38a288426703f54a8cf59c&oe=56EB0005)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 10, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
Thanks Chris  :P
After a year and four months searching, I finally have a set of wire wheels. Rims and spokes all look to be useable but I wont really know untill I get the paint stripped off.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on December 10, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
I think that's what you call dogged determination :)  Are you going to use a large tin of Old's Elbow Grease to remove the paint or will you have them blasted?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 10, 2015, 01:44:31 PM
 ;D
Probably a combination of the two. The paint is really thick so I will try to scrape and wire wheel most of the paint off, then finish with blasting. Just need to make a  cabinet big enough to get the wheels in.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 12, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
OK, so forget shot blasting ! The wheels have been blasted before and the thick black paint turns out to be, under body or anti stone chip paint. This is somewhat resistant to blasting ! >:(
So it's a matter of using a blowtorch and scraper, then finishing off with paint stripper. Hate to do this with wire wheels and I will have to be very thorough in fully neutralising the stripper.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 12, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Have fun!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Dslam on December 12, 2015, 05:36:17 PM
can you not have them chemically dipped?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 12, 2015, 07:56:22 PM
I could I suppose, but where would the fun be in that.
After all the aggravation of getting these wheels I am not letting them out of my sight. All work will be done here.
A lot of the spokes look suspect so will need to be replaced, but the rim, although pitted in places looks to be sound.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 14, 2015, 09:36:07 AM
Got the second wheel stripped of paint and It's obvious that all the spokes will need replacing so might as well put all new spokes every wheel.
36 spokes x 5 wheels will add up to a lot of cash if I have them specially made. Will make my own from straight blanks, so it looks like I will be doing a lot of spoke cutting, bending and thread rolling in the new year.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on December 14, 2015, 10:08:10 AM
Thread rolling? I haven't seen that done in years. Used to watch threaded bar coming off a converted capstan lathe. That is a lot of work, but I'm sure it will be good work. Love to see that happening, spoke making.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 14, 2015, 07:00:08 PM
Fed up of stripping paint, and with so many spoke that will need to be bent accurately. thought I'd make a vice mounted bending tool.
Will need to make two stops for this at about 30 and 45 degrees but that will have to wait till I have the spokes so I can gauge the ammount of spring back.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on December 14, 2015, 07:12:56 PM
I have enough trouble making parts, let alone making the tools to make the parts!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 14, 2015, 07:38:37 PM
Fabricated out offcuts and scrap, it didn't take long to make but should save a lot of time and hassle later.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Chevy Rick on December 14, 2015, 08:14:21 PM
At the hub end of the spokes, will they be helmet shaped, if so how will you achieve that. ??? ??? ? 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on December 14, 2015, 08:37:57 PM
Fabricated out offcuts and scrap, it didn't take long to make but should save a lot of time and hassle later.

Tis nice to see work from another member of the  'Bitsa Tool Makers Fellowship'   ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 14, 2015, 09:15:59 PM
At the hub end of the spokes, will they be helmet shaped, if so how will you achieve that. ??? ??? ? 

Going to use straight blanks. These are already headed and only need to be bent to shape, cut to length and then threaded.


Tis nice to see work from another member of the  'Bitsa Tool Makers Fellowship'   ;)

 ;D Love making my own tools and anyway, I've no idea where I'd find one to buy even if I wanted to.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 15, 2015, 02:55:38 PM
One step closer to making my own spokes. Just been given a thread rolling machine and a selection heads, by the person who taught me to build wheels over 40 years ago. Who also happens to be my aunt. ;D
Now just waiting on the blanks.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on December 15, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
That is a interesting looking piece of equipment, how large treads can you roll with it?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 15, 2015, 09:14:20 PM
Largest spoke size is 8 swg (just over 4mm), which is what I need. To be honest that really is at the limit of these machines and the manufacturer no longer makes rolling heads in this size (it's at least 40 years old) Luckily I have a couple of 8 gauge heads, one ok and the other perfect, otherwise I would be really stuck.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 16, 2015, 11:29:48 PM
The horrors that can be hidden under a thick coat of paint ! :o One of the rims has had holes in it filled with body filler !!  :o Shame as apart from this small area it's probably the best wheel of the lot. :(
 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on December 17, 2015, 08:09:42 AM
When I have come across rust holes like that I have filled them by brazing, the size of holes you can fill is surprising. Mind you I have only ever repaired axle casings where there is not enough meat to take a weld, never tried it on wheels but cant see why it would not work.  :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 17, 2015, 12:11:25 PM
Same area after welding in 'new' section. Not perfect but has got rid of the rot and has got to be stronger than filler.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on December 17, 2015, 04:07:58 PM
Looking good.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on December 17, 2015, 06:09:59 PM
Makes the case for old fashioned inner tubes Dave ;D ;D.....Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on December 18, 2015, 12:45:55 PM
thought you may find this of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSfTsUoJRDE&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on December 18, 2015, 02:24:56 PM
In similar style, this is a copy of a page from the "EB Special Builders Catalogue" I sent for in 1958! of a similar set up for Ford 8/10 specials. and they also supplied similar parts for Austin 7 specials, I built both, as back then it was the only way an apprentice like me could have a "sports" car! I use the term loosely!!...Morrag, and yes I still have the catalogue :-[


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 18, 2015, 04:06:58 PM
Nice.
23-15s Would have been quite pricey back in 58.
Think I will keep to the std dropped beam axle. Not planning on racing this one.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on December 18, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Thinking back Dave, your right, at least twice a tradesman's weekly wage back then!! expensive, which is why me and my Dad made our own version!... ;)..but for your build of course the standard equipment is far more applicable to the period, the pic was just a little nostalgia trip! Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on December 20, 2015, 02:00:57 PM
 :D
Just ordered the bearings and a 150mm dia. x 5mm thick steel disc, to make the wheel truing stand.
It will be tall enough and with enough clearance, so that it can also to use it to balance the wheels, once the tyres and tubes are fitted.
 Because of this the bearings are steel shielded as the grease will need to be washed out and rubber shielded ones do not run as freely.
I already have spare wheel studs and nuts. Everything else will come from the offcuts bin or my old steel stock, so it should cost less than 10 in total to build.
I will put up a pic of the design as soon as it is finalised (worked out what's in the bin  :D).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on December 20, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
Searching for something entirely unrelated and this link popped up :  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-early-Classic-car-spoked-wheels-X3-barn-find-Riley-suggested-as-fitment-/381494494423?hash=item58d2d804d7:g:htoAAOSwhkRWctHQ


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 08, 2016, 09:04:01 PM
Removed the old pics of the truing stand as it needed some mods.
  Centre added to aid wheel placement but the wheel still centres on the studs as per the car, mating surface machined to ensure it all runs true and rubber feet added so I can use it on the kitchen table. :D
And today, finished an adjustable stop for the spoke bender.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 09, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
That truing stand is almost art ! You could place that on a mantlepiece as a conversation piece, I'm sure it could be worth millions  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 11, 2016, 06:59:11 AM
almost art !  I'm sure it could be worth millions  ;)

;D ;D ;D
Only if I could sell it to some daft organisation like the Tate.
I'd need a sodding great mantlepiece to fit that on.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 21, 2016, 08:55:22 PM
This is the reason why you have to be very suspect of 80 year old spokes. In trying to undo the nipple, the spoke snapped. No twisting, not a lot of force, it just snapped. Think I will just cut the rest out with a thin disc in the angle grinder.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 22, 2016, 09:50:33 AM
Oops. Makes you wonder about all those big engined American rods running on original spoked wheels doesn't it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on January 22, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
Just like updating to discs from drums,radials from crossplies and wires to solid rims, there's always a reason.

Just like mixing and matching suspension components from different eras ;)

http://uk-hotrods.co.uk/?page_id=56


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 22, 2016, 12:37:05 PM
Makes sense.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 22, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Worth reading Kev.
The chassis on this car is very flexible, (and I've kept it that way) being open channel with no cross bracing. Before working on the chassis and making the body, I had to level the chassis on stands as the garage floor is not a flat surface. The new body frame while being quite rigid from front to back and side to side, is also designed to allow it to flex diagonally as the chassis twists.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 23, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
First of the wheels, Spokes cut bent and threaded.
Loosely spoked ready to set the offset and true


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 23, 2016, 08:29:02 PM
Nicely done Sir.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on January 23, 2016, 09:21:55 PM
Bet that gave you a lot of satisfaction :D   have you had it on your truing machine yet?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 23, 2016, 09:52:23 PM
Yep and yep.  ;D
 I nearly have it running true. About 1mm up and down and 2mm side to side run out at the moment which should be ok but think I can get it better than that.
Been a lot of work just for some wheels but I really want wires on this and can't justify the cost of having them built by someone else.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 26, 2016, 04:39:48 PM
some new rims for you: 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 26, 2016, 05:16:22 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on January 26, 2016, 05:17:22 PM
Yep and yep.  ;D
 I nearly have it running true. About 1mm up and down and 2mm side to side run out at the moment which should be ok but think I can get it better than that.
Been a lot of work just for some wheels but I really want wires on this and can't justify the cost of having them built by someone else.

looks great dave, but your a braver man than me in the kitchen!!!!!!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 26, 2016, 06:35:01 PM
 ;D

looks great dave, but your a braver man than me in the kitchen!!!!!!

That's nothing ! Mind you, the wife was in Japan at the time. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on January 26, 2016, 07:46:37 PM
Right, get rid of one of the chairs, you don't need 2! mount it on one lower corner on a small motor driven turn table, with a spot light above, instant "Pop-Art", or what? :D :D :D :D, and then all you have to do is explain your reasoning to the Divorce lawyer......... ??? ??? ??? ???..Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on January 26, 2016, 09:39:40 PM
No.No.No.No.
Flip it over get a nice piece of glass on it,
Lovely coffee table.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 26, 2016, 11:20:06 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Luckily I have a very understanding wife. She must be, as we've known each other for forty seven years and been married for thirty nine.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 30, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
Fancied doing a bit of metal spinning and as I dislike the std. hubcaps (plus they are bloody expensive) thought this would be a good little weekend task.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on January 30, 2016, 09:23:19 PM
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen053.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 30, 2016, 09:51:59 PM
Damn you & your metal sorcery! -or should that be saucery :)
Love the colour, but I still don't quite understand how metal spinning's done -sheet of ali attached to the lathe chuck with a bolt with a wooden mold behind it & you just push it over the wooden buck with a hammer handle or similar? Do you have to heat the metal as you do it? I'd love to see it done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 31, 2016, 07:45:39 AM
It's really quite easy with practice. The sheet is held against the form using the tailstock with running centre, with a spacer, (no bolt) and is slowly worked into shape while it's spinning, using a polished or rotating tool mounted on a long handle. Lots of vids on the internet. I watched a few (ok,more than a few) before trying it.  :D

The wheel colour is the etch primer. Been pondering the colour. Could go safe with black, or whatever the final body colour will be (still not sure- dark green or maroon) but have decided that I want the wheels to stand out visually.  So they will be Old English White. Just so happens that I have a few litres of cellulose in this colour left over from the MG.

Pic shows my spinning setup. Toolpost has been replaced with a tool rest (spanner and socket, :) ought to make a proper one) and tool is a length of tube with a polished brass tip. While actually spinning the work, it's covered in grease to prevent galling. May try to make a rotating tool to get a better finish and it should make spinning easier.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 31, 2016, 10:09:42 AM
You make it look so easy!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 31, 2016, 10:57:46 AM
As a Coppersmith I'm very impressed, did you have to anneal the sheet during operations ?? or do it in one pass.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 31, 2016, 03:10:25 PM
Thanks.
 No just annealed before starting. Once the are spun they are very rigid. With deeper shapes a secondary annealing would be required.
Really got into the swing of it today. With a slight change in technique and using ATF instead of grease, it was much easier with less marking of the surface. The ATF does tend to spray a bit though.
Todays efforts. Just need drilling and the countersink for the mounting screw pressed in then polishing.
Not perfect but OK for home made.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on January 31, 2016, 03:28:11 PM
looks perfect to me dave,

outstanding craftsmanship. well done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 31, 2016, 05:17:11 PM
Yeah, your "not bad" would be my absolutely bloomin' amazing Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on January 31, 2016, 06:12:11 PM
Lovely,
You could eat your dinner of them.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 31, 2016, 07:02:10 PM
 ;D Thanks Guys.
 Expect to see some funky tail and side light housings sometime in the future.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on February 01, 2016, 09:22:54 AM
I was thinking of headlight bowls, but rear lights spun up could be cool, a nice inward taper, sorry nothing to do with me, keep up the good work, I'm elbows deep in a well known V8.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 01, 2016, 10:08:47 AM
I was thinking of headlight bowls,  I'm elbows deep in a well known V8.
Would love to do headlight bowls but my little Myford doesn't have enough swing. These hubcaps are just about as big as I can go. :(  It's not just the diameter but also the depth that dictates the diameter of blank you start with.

Have fun with the V8.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on February 01, 2016, 11:13:09 AM
Ah, I didn't think of that, just been watching some spinning on u tube and some repusse work. Takes me way back  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 03, 2016, 06:50:00 PM
Only have one hubcap screw and can't get new ones in brass, 3/8"BSF with a 19mm diameter, domed countersunk head, so I ordered a length of 20mm bar yesterday and it arrived today. Machined two up this afternoon and will do two more tomorrow.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on February 03, 2016, 07:02:20 PM
now your just showing off!!!!!!

i'm giving up now!!!   :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on February 03, 2016, 08:20:47 PM
now your just showing off!!!!!!

i'm giving up now!!!   :D

I'm not even going to get started  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 03, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
This could be why my builds take way too long. I spend far too much time on making parts.
 But I enjoy doing it this way and after all, there is no deadline.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 07, 2016, 05:38:30 PM
Wheels painted. A special thanks to Lunatic, owner of one eleven customs (plug) for the loan of a detail spray gun.
Will leave them to harden fully before finding somewhere safe to store them.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on February 07, 2016, 06:34:51 PM
they look amazing.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 07, 2016, 07:03:16 PM
Very pretty mate.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on February 07, 2016, 07:29:44 PM
Lovely job Dave! really nice ....... Proper craftsmanship.  It always seems like you have made big leaps ahead when you see large items like the wheels all sitting there ready for fitting.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on February 07, 2016, 09:13:22 PM
Wheelie nice Olds.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on February 07, 2016, 09:21:48 PM
its going to look ,,real spiffin,,


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 07, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
Thanks again guys.
Yep, getting something finished even if it's only wheels is a boost.
While not exactly cheap, at almost 200, I think it's been worth the effort. Just a set of four hubcaps would have cost over 100 to buy new, so all in all I'm well pleased.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on February 09, 2016, 02:08:33 PM
Talking of spray guns, came across these, any good to anyone??


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on February 09, 2016, 02:31:02 PM
Talking of spray guns, came across these, any good to anyone??

i could possibly find them a new home with a mate who is going to help me out ,,


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 09, 2016, 10:38:31 PM
Finally got back to working on the car. Chassis rail side cover made for the drivers side. Runs from in front of the firewall to behind the rear axle. Wish I'd used a car with a straight sided chassis. Made in three sections (it's almost 8 ft long) and beaten into shape, it took almost 8 hours. Hopefully the other side won't take as long


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 10, 2016, 11:56:52 AM
Sections riveted together and fitted. Non structural so doesn't really need this number of rivets. Can't get a better pic. without getting the car out of the garage.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: mouse on February 10, 2016, 04:46:56 PM
very nice  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 10, 2016, 08:08:42 PM
Details make all the difference Dave. Nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on February 10, 2016, 10:57:21 PM
Maybe it doesn't need all the rivets, but it sure looks nice with 'em.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 12, 2016, 08:58:17 PM
Yep. Quite pleased with the result. Got the other side done. Now to store them with all the other panels as I think it's time to look at getting the engine running.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 12, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
jolly naice.  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on February 13, 2016, 09:09:10 AM
Your way to good for me, but it is a joy to see your stuff come together, very good workmanship  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 13, 2016, 12:42:50 PM
 :) It's not as hard as it might look, but thanks. One of the reasons for doing it in three sections is to make it all manageable and, if you mess up, only one bit goes in the scrap pile.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 17, 2016, 07:11:22 PM
The speedster is being put on hold for a bit while I do a small project that I have wanted to do for many years but never got around to. A blacksmithing forge.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 17, 2016, 07:59:05 PM
Ooooh.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on February 17, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
Sounds like fun, keep us up to date as you progress. A new post in the technical section perhaps ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 18, 2016, 06:26:21 AM
Not sure how many folk here would be interested, as it's not something you can drive or ride.
We started to build one at Lunatic's workshop but as he is moving premises, that's been put on hold (he also has a lovely vintage anvil that I covet).
I have a baby anvil on it's way (I need to be able to move it around) but at 55 lb without stand, somehow I don't think the postie will be bringing it. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on February 18, 2016, 10:39:46 AM
Olds there will be plenty of people interested me for one.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 18, 2016, 12:02:06 PM
Ok. General tech.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 18, 2016, 06:31:20 PM
I'm kinda glad I'm not your Postie Dave!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 19, 2016, 02:09:46 PM
  Can't understand why !  :( :'(  I'm keeping our postie fit ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 19, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Hope it's not still Heather cos she won't appreciate it when I tell her she delivered an anvil to you!
A recent survey reckons Posties are the fittest profession in the country, burning an average of 1,500 calories a day. Wonder how many carrying an anvil burns up.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 19, 2016, 08:00:36 PM
Nah, Heather is on a different round now. Anyway think this was too heavy for the Post Office/Parcelforce.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 16, 2016, 10:56:40 PM
Managed to get some enthusiasm and did some work on the car today.
After looking at a Morgan 3 and doing some very careful measurements, I worked out that I could fit seat belts without having to add those humps to the tail.
Upper belt mounts are now in the centre and bolt through the rear wall to a very heavy bracket that will be welded to the hoop. This hoop will also be the tank mount and filler support once suitable brackets are fabricated
All made from 1/4" thick steel plate so should be strong enough.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 27, 2016, 10:33:06 PM
Fuel filler pipe support made and tacked in place. Some what heavy duty because it also forms mounting points for the rear bracing.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 28, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Spent most of a wet and windy bank holiday at the lathe, making the filler cap/hose funnel/mount. I was going to buy one untill I saw the price of one to fit a 2 3/4" Aston cap.
My poor little Myford has never worked so hard.
Waiting for a brass threaded collar, before setting the height (length of top section).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on March 28, 2016, 09:54:20 PM
Lovely work,
An all that in a Myford.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 29, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Thanks. Machining finished just need to braze on the threaded collar. It's made of one piece of steel but I did cheat. It started off life as an MGB splined front wheel hub.
I plan on copper plating it to protect against corrosion.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 29, 2016, 07:56:33 PM
With some trepidation, crossed fingers, and a lots of measuring, I cut the hole in the boat tail for the filler to come through, with enough clearance to allow the rear section to hinge up.
Need to make a neat panel reinforcement, to be riveted around the hole.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 29, 2016, 08:16:23 PM
 :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 30, 2016, 07:12:02 PM
Ok, so the copper plating didn't go quite as I planned. Actually it went far better by accident.
I made my own plating solution by leeching a pile of brass swarf, in a 9.5% solution of Ammonium Hydroxide (household ammonia). This was added to water, then Acetic acid (vinegar) added. With a ring of copper wire around inside of the bucket and using a 6v battery charger all seemed fine. It started to go a nice copper colour then started going yellow. At first I thought the plate was failing but it turns out that the plate is fine just has a colour between brass and nickle.
The inside that has less coating is still copper in colour. Seems you cant extract just the copper from the brass.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on March 30, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
looks great, but everything you wrote just wizzed above me head!!!! lol


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 30, 2016, 08:14:14 PM
 :)
This part wont be seen so there was no point in polishing before plating. It's just an anti corrosion coating, but I will try to recreate the plating solution as it's a really nice colour. Sort of vintage nickle.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 30, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
The man's an alchemist!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on March 30, 2016, 10:37:04 PM
Nice work  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on March 31, 2016, 02:39:11 PM
 :) Last part of filler arangement sorted. Hole reinforcement. Think I may use brass or copper rivets for contrast.
Hardest part was getting the 4mm thick aluminium to follow the curve of the bodywork.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on March 31, 2016, 03:31:38 PM
Unique, as usual Dave it looks bloody marvelous. 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 05, 2016, 07:56:40 PM
Thanks Paul.
Fed up of estimating the seating position, using bits of foam and old pillows, I decided that it's about time to start making some seats.
Idea is for a one piece backrest and individual squabs, similar to the Morgan 3 set up. Due to the restricted height of the seat belts, the seat squabs are going to be fairly thin and mounted direct to the floor.
Will probably do a temporary upholstery job until the car is nearer completion.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Archie on April 05, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
Have a look at the seat belts we do on the website and if any suit let me know and I'll sort a better price on them.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 05, 2016, 08:11:03 PM
What's the web address Archie?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 05, 2016, 08:13:48 PM
Have ordered a set but always willing to look again (if I knew where to look) :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on April 05, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Something like this then Dave................


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 06, 2016, 04:11:42 AM
 :D Yep. Very similar  ;D
Because the whole rear section is hinged, the belt reels will be hidden behind the seat back, in the centre.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 09, 2016, 08:22:18 AM
Still playing around with seat belts and I think I have sorted out mounting positions.
Also trying a different steering wheel courtesy of our noble leader. Not 100% convinced,as it has quite a deep dish, but it's better than the banjo morris wheel and has shown that a 4 spoke is far better suited.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 09, 2016, 12:44:58 PM
Personally, I think that looks spot on Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 09, 2016, 08:41:32 PM
I think it does now ! :D
Some might not like the wrapped look, but I feel it suits the car perfectly.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 10, 2016, 07:58:35 AM
 :D you couldn't help yourself could you! Nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on April 10, 2016, 09:12:14 AM
yep, like that, very period. Gets my vote  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: twisted on April 11, 2016, 11:57:06 AM
great as ever sir  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 12, 2016, 02:16:54 PM
Thanks guys.
Fitted the speedo and tacho today and being to tight to buy a pair of 80mm holes I used up a whole box of 3mm holes.  :D
Yes I do know the gauges don't match but this is very much a budget build. Hopefully I will come across a more suitable (& cheap) tacho some time.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 12, 2016, 05:35:23 PM
I think their lack of matchiness only adds to the car's quirkiness Dave. Nicely framed by the wheel too.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on April 12, 2016, 06:07:50 PM
Bugger matching, like Mr M said,I feel it adds to "the way things were.." theme ;D...Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 12, 2016, 07:57:32 PM
"quirkiness" ! :o Well I suppose it's not exactly normal. :D
I get what you mean by not matching adding to the way it looks. Just wish the tacho wasn't so obviously from the 1970s. Would prefer 1870s.  :D  Think I can do something about that at some point.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 20, 2016, 09:07:19 PM
Not been feeling great for a while so progress has been slow. Made new pivots for the rear section, in a better location and have at last got around to the fuel tank mounting brackets. These are welded to the hoop that the fuel filler and seat belt mount are bolted to.  


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 20, 2016, 09:51:09 PM
As you've said yourself Dave, no rush -your health's more important.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 21, 2016, 06:26:38 AM
I know. Mentally I want to get on, but at the moment, I have to take it slow. :(
New rear pivot bush/reinforcement, welded in place from the inside to keep it neat. Making sure both sides were aligned while cutting the 30 mm locating holes was great fun, not.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on April 21, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Well you have a knack for doing difficult things well, so no surprises it turned out ok....


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 04, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
 :) Think it was more luck than judgement.
Unable to get on with anything serious but needing something to do, I altered the rad shell a little. It was a bit boring so a new top centre section was beaten out of sheet brass and soldered into place. It's not a lot but it does add some detail to an otherwise, very plain shell.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 04, 2016, 09:27:43 AM
Looks cool Dave. How's your neck/back now?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 04, 2016, 10:30:35 AM
Not great but seems to be slowly getting better. So tired but can't sleep !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 04, 2016, 10:58:04 AM
Hang in there matey.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on May 05, 2016, 07:24:12 AM
Hope you get well soon Dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 23, 2016, 08:21:21 PM
Cheers guys. Feeling a lot better now, well as good as I'm likely to ever get, so it is time to get on with the speedster.
 Realised a while ago, that I am going to have to  put the car through IVA. This means that some (quite a lot) of the work I have done, will have to be re done. The steering column will need much modification, possibly easier to start again. The front drum brakes and master cylinder will have to be scrapped and modern alternatives sourced. All the louvres in the bonnet etc need to be reworked and the aluminium bodywork will need modification. :( I will also have to panel in the inside of the body frame which is a shame, as I really like the look of all that tubing with all those holes.
Work done more recently such as the upper seat belt mounts were done to IVA spec, so at least there should be no problem with these, as long as I get the seat height low enough for the belts but high enough to satisfy the field of view requirements. 10mm high and the belts are wrong, 10mm low and it will fail on forward vision, but there are ways around this. ;)
Pics as soon as I have something worth showing..


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 23, 2016, 09:54:52 PM
Perfectly legal to modify it after the test as long as it still meets the MOT requirements, so any changes you make only have to be temporary don't they?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 24, 2016, 05:20:01 AM
Technically no, but in reality, for the some things like the internal paneling, yes. For lights, brakes, seat belts and steering you can't go back to the 1940's. :( Certain items like the gear lever that took so long to make will not pass scrutiny but then again the original Morris one wouldn't either as it's too small in diameter.
 If you think MSVA for bikes and trikes is tough you should look into IVA. The MSVA manual is 207 pages of which only a third of it applies to any one type of vehicle, whereas the IVA manual is 299 pages and virtually all of it applies to all vehicles.
 The old point system and the IVA are at odds with each other, in that in one you are trying to keep as many parts original as possible and the other says these parts are not allowed. At some point you have to make a choice which way to go. Bearing in mind possible future legislation or changes in how existing rules are applied, I figure that IVA is the safer bet.
 Luckily I am not fitting doors or a roof so that makes things simpler. I also won't be fitting aero screens or a lot of other stuff  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on May 24, 2016, 06:20:39 AM
Mr Coppersmith has put a few cars through IVA, he may be able to give you an insight towards it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 24, 2016, 07:40:52 AM
Yep and I may well pick his brains at some point. Think I know what needs to be done but to get this style of vehicle, based on a pre war designed chassis, through without compromising the look I'm after may take some 'alternative thinking'.
A disc brake conversion is very obvious on an open wheeled car with wire wheels, but suitable covers can be made to make it look like it has huge drums up front.



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Stix on May 24, 2016, 08:44:46 AM
On some hot rods to preserve the old timey look yet have good brakes people used discs and kin huge Buick finned brake drums as a cover,I think you can buy repro drums for this purpose but wouldn't know from where as it has been some time since I was messing with old cars.

Stix


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 24, 2016, 05:01:55 PM
Yep :), have seen kits available in the states to fit Ford axles, at horrendous prices ($2000) but to be honest it's probably easier to make your own. Self adjusting drum brakes are out there, but at the moment I am looking into doing a Manky type rear axle disc conversion but on the front, as it means I can keep the six stud hubs.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Stix on May 24, 2016, 07:37:51 PM
Can you make what you want in wood and then get some cast in ally, I have used a place in Hastings that where happy to do one offs and at that time they where very reasonable with the prices. Bit of bendy ply some glue and your experience you could have just what you need

Stix


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 25, 2016, 07:13:23 AM
Thanks stix. Not sure what I will do about the covers at the moment but that's a long way off. First thing is to sort out calipers, caliper mount plates and discs. This sort of thing was so much easier when I lived near a scrappie who would let you climb among the stacks of cars with a tape measure in hand.
Got the left hand hub dismantled and backplate off so I can sort out dimensions.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 25, 2016, 05:56:53 PM
After about four hours trawling the net looking at discs and calipers ad their relative dimensions, I think I may have a plan.
Peugeot 106/Citroen Saxo discs and drums from the early models with three wheel studs. This means that it will be easier to re drill the discs to suit the six wheel studs
The hubs will need machining to suit the slightly smaller centre bore of the discs but that was expected.
 I can just get the discs in the lathe, will try to bore out the centres to suit the hubs rather than modify the hubs.
I will buy new discs as they are pretty cheap, but cheap second hand calipers to allow me to make the mounting plates and check everything will work before spending hard eaned cash on new ones.

This is the cause of most of the problems.
 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 27, 2016, 08:28:29 PM
Well that didn't go quite to plan. Had to bore out the disc centres AND machine the hubs due to the three, rather large original stud holes in the discs. Was going to do just one side first but bored out the second disc while the lathe was set up for it.
Apart from that it is going OK.  Still need to drill the stud holes and the retaining screw countersunk hole in the other disc.
Taped over the hub bearings as they are new and didn't want to risk damaging them with swarf or by removing them

Not adding quite as many holes as Mr Stinky would. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 27, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Nice work Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on May 27, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
 :) Inspired by your Reliant axle brake conversion. So if it all goes horribly wrong, I know who to blame. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 27, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
Oh, thanks!  :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on May 27, 2016, 10:50:07 PM
Holes,who mentioned holes ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on May 27, 2016, 10:57:08 PM
Holes,who mentioned holes ?

got a couple of spare ones you can have ,,yep they come complete with my socks  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 02, 2016, 08:30:57 PM
Err, no thank spanners.
 Well it all went horribly wrong. Calipers turned up today and I could tell by the weight of the box that I had made a mistake.
They are iron, heavy and huge. Seems I bought ones for the 106 GTI. ::)
I have also realised the back of 106 wheels must be relieved to allow clearance for the calipers. Something that my wheels aren't, so I will need discs with a deeper bell to them.
Ho hum, I now have some great door stops and need to start again.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 02, 2016, 08:37:38 PM
 :P Bugger -but knowing you Dave, I'm pretty sure they'll be recycled into something fabulous by the end of the week!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 02, 2016, 09:09:46 PM
Not sure about 'end of the week' but the discs may end up as lamp bases or perhaps boot scrapers. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on June 03, 2016, 06:07:44 AM
peugeot runs a low offset ,about 15 if i remember rightly so that pushes the rim out


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 03, 2016, 10:59:32 AM
It's not the offset, but the amount the caliper sticks out from the wheel mounting face.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Archie on June 03, 2016, 01:01:08 PM
If any of the beetle ones or van ones would work let me know and I'll get one off the shelf.

Or alternatively nip up to us here in odiham and you can have a look at some


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 03, 2016, 07:42:15 PM
Thanks for the offer Archie. Don't think there is anything suitable in the Beetle or camper range but I will keep it in mind.
Looks like I will have to find 4 stud discs (4 x 100) and redrill but a lot of them seem to have extra holes other than the stud holes that always seem to be partly where I would need to redrill. Just a matter of going through cross reference charts.
At the moment Toyota Corolla (04-07) rear discs look to be the most likely but this time I'm going to try to find suitable calipers first. It's a lightweight vehicle with cart springs and skinny wire wheels so I don't need (or have room for) massive calipers.
I've even started to look at some bike calipers as they tend to be a lot narrower.
Any suggestions gratefully recieved.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 03, 2016, 11:43:42 PM
Erm, Vauxhall Nova -the same as the Reliant conversion?
Have you tried VW Golf calipers? -same as the Reliant conversion?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 04, 2016, 06:20:11 AM
Not sure that I can redrill Nova discs easily. All the ones I have seen have a pair of extra drillings at what looks like 45 degrees to the wheel studs. I can't redrill without breaking into at least two existing holes.
I was trying to steer clear of calipers with handbrake mechanisms fitted, plus early calipers are getting scarce and have you seen the prices folk want for just the carriers these days. I blame all those trikers !
PS
Just been looking at the disc conversion thread pics and it seems the caliper sits proud of the wheel mounting face so Nova discs are definately out.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: lunatic on June 04, 2016, 10:02:02 AM
Adapting some bike calipers to fit a car disc might be your best bet in terms of clearance.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on June 04, 2016, 06:11:45 PM
BMW K100 discs and Brembo callipers don't take up much room, Dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 05, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
Very nice. Don't think I can afford the mortgage.
The K100 Brembo, rear two piston caliper looks especially usefull. Shame they need such thin discs (5mm).
I suppose that I could machine car discs to become carriers for bike discs but that would mean a lot of flaffing around and potential for error.
I know I can make Kawasaki Z750 calipers from the 80s fit. It's a single 43mm piston design that should be able to take a disc of 8mm so will fit a lot of solid car discs.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on June 05, 2016, 12:26:03 PM
The Kawasaki would seem a good choice then Dave, as would perhaps early Honda 4's I would guess, but disc thickness is a problem, I agree, Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Bus Boy on June 16, 2016, 11:45:25 PM
Early Honda 4's had 3 piece callipers on the fronts ,so you could make the central carrier thick enough to match the discs. Just a thought :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 17, 2016, 07:27:03 AM
Cheers guys. Been rather busy with other stuff and the trike recently so no progress, except a possible rethink on this whole braking problem.
Started to figure while fitting discs mey be fairly easy hiding the calipers wont be. So I'm now looking into fitting self adjusting drum brakes. Either using a self adjusting system on modified Morris brake shoes or use the complete rear brakes from a vehicle with self adjusters. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on June 18, 2016, 07:06:43 PM
Cheers guys. Been rather busy with other stuff and the trike recently so no progress, except a possible rethink on this whole braking problem.
Started to figure while fitting discs mey be fairly easy hiding the calipers wont be. So I'm now looking into fitting self adjusting drum brakes. Either using a self adjusting system on modified Morris brake shoes or use the complete rear brakes from a vehicle with self adjusters. :-\

fiesta,, focus,, KA,, or micra,,


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 30, 2016, 04:37:49 PM
Measured up some Ford brakes (thanks Marcus) and found that MK2 Escort /Capri etc will fit perfectly once the back plates and brake drums are redrilled to suit. So that is the way I plan to go. If anyone has a pair of 8 or 9 inch Ford rear brakes they dont want....
Today I figured I ought to make up a drip tray to fit the fuel filler. Bit of old aluminium sheet, that used to be the old gearbox cover, (so it needed flattening first) and a modified Schraeder valve from an old inner tube to fit the drain tube onto.
Cost nothing but time and a little bit more junk out of the way. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 30, 2016, 05:40:33 PM
How do you form a circular lip without it creasing around the curve, Metal Guru?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 30, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
Secret. ;)
Actually you start by deliberately creasing so it looks like a flan case, then shrink the metal to remove the creases. Easy but takes time. Should have taken pics as I went along but I can do an example if anyone is interested.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 30, 2016, 06:13:50 PM
I yam. I'd love to have a go at metal sculpture once my vehicles are done & I think skinning a piece in ali would be really interesting to do.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 30, 2016, 08:15:51 PM
Okey doke.
This bit of scrap is a bit small and it would have been easier to spin it in the lathe but it shows what I do.
Using blunt end needle nose pliers I work around the edge twisting and pulling up uniform creases. Do it in several passes, annealing if required.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 30, 2016, 08:21:44 PM
Once the sides are more or less at the angle you want them, thoroughly anneal then start to slowly hammer down the raised creases. The idea is to thicken the metal not stretch it so don't hit too hard and slowly work it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 30, 2016, 08:28:36 PM
Because the sides are so high relative to the diameter, it took five reheats to work the sides down. When happy file the top edge smooth and to height.
It's not great (really needs more time)but it shows the process


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on June 30, 2016, 08:31:23 PM
old,,school ,,dave,, it takes me back to being a teenager when i served my time ,,


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 30, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
Nicely done Dave. I'm surprised hammering the edge doesn't just flatten it out again though, rather than absorbing the extra material.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on June 30, 2016, 10:48:15 PM
Are you left handed Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 01, 2016, 05:40:55 AM
surprised hammering the edge doesn't just flatten it out again though, rather than absorbing the extra material.
That's the beauty of aluminium. As long as you keep it soft and don't rush it's easy to work with. Before starting on this car I had virtually no experience of working aluminium and I am still learning.

Are you left handed Dave?
Nope. But I am fairly ambidexterous. My right wrist was smashed in a bike accident and I had to learn to do more with my left. Thats the reason the front brake on the trike is on the left.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on July 01, 2016, 08:40:54 AM
I will have to give this ali working a try, thanks for sharing that.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 01, 2016, 09:10:10 AM
Looks like a big lid off a big bottle of coke ? :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 01, 2016, 02:54:50 PM
 ;D
I've done similar in steel but it had to be hot and by hot I mean glowing so holding it is a bit of a problem !
As I say I'm very much a beginner at this, so if anyone has any helpful suggestions I would love to hear them.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 01, 2016, 06:37:18 PM
Thicker gloves .bigger hammer ? ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on July 01, 2016, 08:34:02 PM
Get the wife to hold it ;)   (was being very restrained there, to avoid the wrath of the lovely ladies on the site ;D)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 01, 2016, 09:35:37 PM
   :D My fault. Should have known better than to ask for unspecific suggestions from a group of monkeys. ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on July 06, 2016, 08:09:15 AM
I have a tool, a bit like an F spanner, but you can adjust the depth instead of the jaws, that way you can form a flange in any thing up to 16swg. We had a flanging machine in the workshop, but it would grab your metal (like Arkwrights till) . You could end up with what you wanted or like me end up with a wavy flange between 10mm and 30mm ! then had to explain how the machine had a mind of its own  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on July 06, 2016, 01:03:24 PM
What's an f spanner then coppersmith?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 06, 2016, 03:22:09 PM
Think Coppersmith is refering to a tucking fork (could be wrong). Also come with a T handle and various length spikes. I've not seen an adjustable one but that could be handy.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on July 06, 2016, 04:43:37 PM
F spanner as used in the armed forces, made by King Dick.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on July 06, 2016, 04:44:45 PM
Forgot the picture  ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 06, 2016, 06:46:52 PM
Or commonly known as a Monkey spanner ? ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 14, 2016, 07:23:35 AM
 ;D
Just purchased a set of 8" rear brakes from a mk2 Escort. The idea is to adapt these to fit the front axle so that the brakes will be self adusting yet still look period. Really wanted 9" ones as fitted to Capri and RS2000 but they now go for silly money. These should still be better than the originals.
They will need a full refurb but I will wait to see how the conversion goes before doing that.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 14, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
I'm so glad I'm not doing these type of mods to cars/trikes etc now,but certainly enjoy your thread good sir :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 14, 2016, 08:14:52 AM
Thanks. :)
Oh it's so much fun trying to get a 80 year old vehicle design, to pass modern regs. not !
Hardest part is trying to keep everything looking like it has come from a pre war car, yet function like a modern one.



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 14, 2016, 10:10:21 AM
I keep looking in the mirror and think the same thing ? :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 15, 2016, 07:37:42 PM
Hey sir. I have a question ..my trike has 3-54 gears in the axle, I'm running 26 tall tyres behind my little reliant engine/box ..do you think it's going to struggle for top end ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 21, 2016, 07:34:48 PM
Sorry sir, I've been away. 26" seems a bit tall for a 3.54 diff. When I was looking into doing a vintage style trike with 19" wheels (26.5" tyres) I figured that I would need the Regal 4.35:1 diff. (3.23:1 is a little high for 22.5" tyres but liveable with.)
Is that a Ford axle you have ?
26"   3.54:1    70 MPH = 3200 RPM.  So fourth would be more like an overdrive gear.

Started on the front brake conversion today. Luckily the existing bolt holes in the back plates are at 30 degrees to the new ones. No point in de rusting and painting anything untill (or if  :-\) it works.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 22, 2016, 04:44:13 PM
Front brakes continued.
Hub machined down to match the centre bore of the Ford drum and the drum redrilled to match the stud pattern of the hub.
As expected I will have to make a 1.6mm spacer to go behind the back plate. All appears to run true, so things seem to be going to plan. :D
The brake drum isn't really as rusty as it looks. Actually it's in very good condition, I just hadn't cleaned all the crud off of the outside when I took the pics.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 22, 2016, 05:19:22 PM
It's a jag axle...and you have a plan ? Don't plans go wrong ? ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 22, 2016, 06:38:26 PM
Don't plans go wrong ? ::)
Frequently. That, coupled with changing my mind on what I am going to do, means a very slow build. But it keeps me busy. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 22, 2016, 09:07:46 PM
Sorry I interrupted you this afternoon Dave, but looks like you still got plenty done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 22, 2016, 09:30:19 PM
You are always welcome around here Andy.
Started to modify the adjuster. Handbrake lever end cut off. Was contemplating having front parking brakes but it's a complication I don't need. Will need to lock the remaining section with a tack weld so I can check the width is correct, before welding it up fully.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on July 23, 2016, 01:15:24 AM
You are always welcome around here Andy.
Started to modify the adjuster. Handbrake lever end cut off. Was contemplating having front parking brakes but it's a complication I don't need. Will need to lock the remaining section with a tack weld so I can check the width is correct, before welding it up fully.

ok but,,, how are you going to adjust as it wears the linings

that type of ford/bendix brake relie,s on h/brake use to adjust it

don,t realy want to throw a,,spanner,, in the works  but an expander from a land rover or dumper truck trans brake , in the place of the fixed shoe anchor point mabe the answer


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 23, 2016, 05:39:54 AM
The reason for changing the brakes is not to increase efficiency (a nice bonus) but to add the self adjusting feature. The original brakes had manual adjusters fitted.

The idea that the hand brake adjusts the brakes is a common misconception with this adjuster Mike. Pulling the HB lever section, increases the distance between the shoe levers, opening up the brake shoes but does nothing as far as the adusting ratchet is concerned. When the slave cylinder pushes out the shoes, it's the shoes themselves, pushing apart the levers, that operates the ratchet increasing the width between the levers when adjustment is needed.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 23, 2016, 10:53:46 AM
Yes it works !  ;D
Not tried it with hydraulics but spreading the shoes as if done by the cylinder operates the adjuster perfectly. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 23, 2016, 08:50:03 PM
Glad that plan works then sir,well done :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on July 23, 2016, 09:58:33 PM
I love it when a plan comes together :D  Must admit that I was also under the misconception about the adjusting principles :o  Tis a true saying that one never stops learning.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 24, 2016, 07:56:43 AM
Not as glad as I am that it works. Second hand parts cost enough, so to have the idea fail would have made a dent in the budget that I really can't afford. Now that I know the idea is sound I don't mind paying out for the new parts required. Will be using the second hand back plates as they are about 120 +VAT each which is a lot to pay out if you are going to cut, drill and weld them. May also use the old drums, as they are well within their wear limits and have cleaned up OK.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 24, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
They do look original and made for the job,well done sir 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on July 24, 2016, 02:42:55 PM
Nicely done Dave, as per, and I agree, they look the part, as well, so, a "result".... ;D Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 25, 2016, 07:17:01 AM
Cheers guys. Yep, was hoping they wouldn't look out of place, as they are a lot bigger.
Great thing about them being Ford based is that the internal parts are so cheap and easy to get hold of.  :D There is also a choice of wheel cylinder bore sizes to chose from.
Modified back plate. There is a little more work in this than it looks. The extra mounting holes are obvious, but there is also an extra shoe wear inspection slot added, the hand brake gaiter retaining plate has been ground off and the hand brake lever slot filled and welded up.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on July 25, 2016, 02:18:32 PM
Looks great Dave and a good addition to BIVA knowledge :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on July 25, 2016, 03:24:31 PM
great work there dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 25, 2016, 04:03:03 PM
Just what I said to Dave yesterday Kev -nice to think you've created something that'll make your own vehicle unique, but info that could prove very useful to a future BIVA builder.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 25, 2016, 04:54:43 PM
D'oh! Should have kept it a secret.  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 25, 2016, 06:56:58 PM
You can't keep HOLES a secret ? ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 27, 2016, 10:01:15 PM
 :D
The other backplate is now done and so is the brake drum. Still need to machine the other hub and I'm waiting for postie to deliver new cylinders, shoes and springs etc. When the new shoes are fitted, I will be able to finalise the minimum distance between the arms on the adjusters.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 29, 2016, 06:29:44 AM
D'oh!
Just noticed that the original wheel cylinders are 7/8" (22.2mm) and I thought they were 3/4" (19mm). The ones I have bought are 13/16" (20.6mm)  ::)
The 36 per cent increase in shoe width and more efficient design might outweigh the reduced piston force but after much searching I have found that the Escort Mk3 RS Turbo used 22.2mm bore cylinders in the same piston end design, so will get a pair of those.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 29, 2016, 04:41:55 PM
Brake shoes arrived !  ;D
However there is a problem. >:(
Anyone see what it is?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: toad on July 29, 2016, 05:51:47 PM
Oversize lining on one shoe  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 29, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
That's all I can see -the lining on the one on the far right extends further round the shoe than the others -& they're all the same. Should they be handed?
I can't find Wallie though.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 29, 2016, 07:16:12 PM
MM has it right. ;D  Yep they should be handed. The friction material is in the same position on all of them and it shouldn't be.
These are all trailing shoes. The leading shoes should have the friction face further down the shoe and the material should also be slightly thinner. As it is, the drum is a very tight fit, even without having the adjuster fitted.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on July 29, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Not enough HOLES ? ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on July 29, 2016, 08:52:20 PM
I'm assuming you could shave the thickness down -I couldn't, but you could. Can you unrivet & reposition the linings? Or simply send them back.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 29, 2016, 09:38:14 PM
Shaving the thickness isn't easy. It would be easier to reduce the length of the centre web slightly.
The shoes have bonded linings so moving them is out.
Easier to just send them back. Luckily I'm in no rush for these bits and it's best to get it right.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 02, 2016, 02:24:07 PM
New shoes and larger wheel cylinders are on their way. Managed to find a pair of new old stock RS Turbo cylinders  for 10  ;D
I have also ordered a pair of mudguards (making one mudguard is difficult, making a full matching set, nigh on impossible) Yes I know I will need four but I thought it best to see how two go first (plus I've spent this months car budget on brake bits :(). After looking at motorcycle ones costing between 70 and 100 each, I figure I'd buy some basic plain steel trailer ones. They will need narrowing and reshaping a bit, but at only 15 each it should be well worth putting in some effort.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on August 02, 2016, 02:27:05 PM
Hi Dave
Have you a site for the steel trailer ones ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 02, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Hi Merv.
I get mine from Banbury trailers. http://www.banburytrailers.co.uk/
They have got plain steel or galv. If you need to weld them get the plain steel. Don't go by their wheel sizing as it assumes a fixed mudguard and sprung wheel.
I think the rears on my trike (15" wheel) are the 12" mudguards, that I widened by about 2" and shortened by about 6".


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 03, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
New shoes, fitting kit and the larger slave cylinders have arrived ! Thank you Mrs Postie ;D
Hopefully I can get this front brake conversion all finished by the weekend. Just need to machine the other hub and assemble it all. I will need new flexible hoses sometime as the new original ones won't fit, but that can wait till I am ready to do all the brake lines.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 03, 2016, 02:28:40 PM
You'd never know that wasn't factory original Dave. Nicely done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on August 03, 2016, 02:53:02 PM
You'd never know that wasn't factory original Dave. Nicely done.


I agree with Andy


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on August 03, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
This is one of my front mudguards made from a pair of 20 trailer guards, Merv. and I have used them a number of times previously, widening or, as in this case, narrowing, as required. a far cheaper route than after market motorcycle items, and tidy gauge/quality steel, Morrag.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 03, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
 ;D
Slight problem with the rear mudguards. :(
Ordered yesterday afternoon, arrived this morning, but only one and its the wrong size. 32" instead of 30"
Had a call from Banbury trailers and we talked at length about what the mudguards were to be used for and about vintage cars (he has a 1930s Rover plus other projects) and he has promised that they would send out suitable ones ( 28" or 30") as soon as he can get them and to keep the one they sent.
Fronts only need to be an 80 degree arc (30 before and 50 after the wheel centre line) so with some work I might be able to make both front mudguards from this one. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 03, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
Try sorting out that problem online ? Can't beat a phone call to speak to a real person


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 03, 2016, 08:21:27 PM
Nice to know there are still companies out there who know what customer service means. Everyone makes mistakes. It's how you deal with them that counts.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 04, 2016, 11:09:53 AM
Very true for both previous comments.
You certainly can't fault Banbury Trailers for their customer service.
 After having a nice chat to them yesterday, someone must have gone out of their way to find a pair of suitable mudguards which arrived this morning. :o
OK, so one has some small spots of very light surface rust in a couple of places and the end of the other has a small ding on the edge, but they know that I am going to be cutting, welding and reshaping them so neither is a problem.
Happy bunny I am. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 04, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
 :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 05, 2016, 08:11:39 PM
Couldn't resist cutting up a mudguard. ;D
I know this is basic but some may never have done this.
Some folk use tape to mark cutting edges, but I've generally found the tape will just catch fire if cutting with an angle grinder, so I mark out with a thick permanent marker and cut up to the line not along it. Just seems easier to see what you are doing. As the mudguard has a lot of internal stresses due to the way it's made, I leave the ends and centre of the cuts till last. The two halves will twist slightly when fully cut, making putting back together straight a bit of a pain.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 05, 2016, 08:22:51 PM
I tacked the two sides together keeping a small gap (about the width of the mig wire) and now all it needs is some very tedious welding, welding the centre between each tack with very short runs (long tacks) till it's fully welded (except I plan on flaring the back end so I won't weld the last four inches or so).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 08, 2016, 03:49:14 PM
One mudguard roughly finished. Had to stretch it a bit as the internal radius was slightly too small for the tyre size. The tail end was flared by welding in three tapered 15-0 wide x 125 long sections then beating the hell out of it before a steel rod, safe edge was welded on.
Now to do the other one to match.
Instead of using filler (the welding / hammering isn't perfect) I'm going to have a go at lead loading them.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 08, 2016, 07:07:36 PM
Nice job sir


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on August 08, 2016, 07:17:54 PM
Lead loading? tallow cloth and lots of flux standing by !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 09, 2016, 07:44:03 AM
 ;D
Don't like using bondo on things like mudguards that tend to flex and vibrate.  I'm not after a show finish, but a bit better than I have at the moment. Not done a lot of this before, a couple of bike tanks and the rad surround for this car, so should be fun. :-\
Re-read the regs and the safe edge at the back, needs to be a bigger radius. Poo !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on August 09, 2016, 12:27:29 PM
Please take some pics or get someone to take some pics when you use the lead. Because that is one of the things I could be interested in learning how to do :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 09, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
Easier said than done as the pic shows. I work alone and working with molten lead is a is a two handed job. Will put up progress pics but there must be tutorials on u tube that would show the process better than I can.
Started tinning the surface but ran out of gas about 3/4 of the way along.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 09, 2016, 09:35:24 PM
With more gas, managed to get the tinning almost finished. Pic also shows the new 5mm diameter safe edge welded in place.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on August 10, 2016, 07:41:18 AM
Lead being a rather heavy substance, will the amount of lead you will be putting on the mudguard add a significant amount of weight? 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 10, 2016, 11:00:38 AM
Shouldn't add much weight as surprisingly I didn't actually use that much lead and half of what went on, probably got filed off again. My stick of lead weighs 1.5 oz an inch and I used about two inches
Think I can say that I'm unlikely to totally master this, especially on tightly curved areas  :( and a thick coat of primer filler may be needed. :D
 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on August 10, 2016, 01:10:57 PM
Have just watched a youtube video of a chap pushing Eastwood products,  showing how to leadload. He makes it look so easy, but I bet he's been doing it for 100 years ;D  Fascinating to watch, I love all things metalwork. 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 10, 2016, 01:46:53 PM
Have just watched a youtube video of a chap showing how to leadload. He makes it look so easy,
Don't they always !
Think it's something you have to do, in order to learn. But I wouldn't suggest trying it on something big or very shaped like a mudguard to start with.
 The mudguard ended up far from perfect but at least now it's not obvious that it has been cut and narrowed.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on August 10, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
If I understand it right, you flux it before you add a layer of tinning (pewter?) and then you use lead... But what kind of flux do you use?
Btw it looks great :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on August 10, 2016, 09:31:47 PM
i used ,FLUXOVITE, paste in a tin,,or,BAKERS, solering fluid . when i used to do it years back


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 11, 2016, 06:53:24 AM
With more gas, managed to get the tinning almost finished. Pic also shows the new 5mm diameter safe edge welded in place.

Safe edge on the rear of the mudguard ?  I'm surprised they don't want a rubber bumper around the complete vehicle ( ala bumper cars ?)
Nice work though Mr P..


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 11, 2016, 07:23:22 AM
God forbid that anything be less than rounded. That gearlever I spent so much time forging is a definite no-no. :(

I used Bakers Fluid flux, capilliary solder for tinning and what I think is 60/40 lead/tin as a filler. Not sure as to the exact makeup as the bar is probably 40 years old and the makers don't use the same numbering system anymore.
I have used standard lead fee solder and this is OK but has a narrow temperature band between solid and liquid. Makes it hard to keep at the butter stage, but is healthier for you to work with.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on August 11, 2016, 08:38:35 AM
another dying art, I spent three months as an apprentice in the lead work depot. Spent most of it learning to make solder nipples for Arrestor wires on aircraft carriers. I still get the odd call to repair lead pipes, and make roof flashings etc. Lead is now considered bad for you even in small quantities. Along with cadmium brazing, arsenic in copper, I'm surprised I'm still kicking or have I built up an immunity  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on August 11, 2016, 09:41:52 AM
In the video I watched yesterday, he was using Tinning Butter, which is a paste with acid and lead particals mixed in. The surface is heated and the paste rubbed over with a copper dish scourer held in mole grips, the effect was instant tinning. This is the vid, if anyone is interested ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87fuTnBS2bE


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 12, 2016, 01:56:33 PM
Not going to go through it all with the second mudguard except to show that, to try to get the rear flare to match the first (well nearly), after slitting the mudguard I bent the 5mm safe edge hoop, welded it at the ends then beat the mudguard out to meet it. Just need to make and weld in the infill sections.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 17, 2016, 02:35:07 PM
Due to difficulties in ensuring that all those bonnet louvers meet iva requirements I will probably have to cover them or make new bonnet tops.
Prototype hammered out of aluminium sheet. Think I need to simplify the design.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 17, 2016, 06:02:42 PM
I think you're way too clever.  :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on August 17, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
Blimey Dave!!!  Thats a work of art.  Mr IVA man may not notice anything else when he see's those ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 24, 2016, 01:35:03 PM
I wish, but thank you. :D
If I go ahead with this, I have to make twelve of these.  :( Six pairs graduated in width, from 4" to 8" so to have any chance of them looking remotely similar, even if simplified, I figured that a hammer form would be required to shape the metal over.
Pic shows it being roughed out from a slab of 20mm thick steel. Not sure how well this will work. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 24, 2016, 06:46:59 PM
I think you shouldn't worry to much about being perfect..let people see the slight difference it gives it lif/soul/character sir..bloody great work


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 24, 2016, 08:30:01 PM
Lots of scope for what you call life/soul/character in making these even with the hammer form. All it does, is allow me to form the corners with some degree of repeatability. Making relatively tight radius compound curves in sheet aluminium is awkward.
Tester


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 24, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
Not sure how well this will work.

We all know how it'll work Dave -bloomin' annoyingly perfectly, as always. I suspect you've done a deal with the Devil for your skills Sir.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 25, 2016, 07:16:06 AM
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 31, 2016, 09:53:12 PM
Trying to get my head around sizing the dual circuit master cylinder.
If I go for two seperate master cylinders with an adjustable balance bar I would just half the cross sectional area of the existing master but with a dual circuit cylinder with it's equalising ports etc. it's not making sense.
Perhaps I'm just tired.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on September 01, 2016, 09:18:56 AM
I can help you on that one Dave having had some hands on experience .What more slave cylinders are you running front and rear ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 01, 2016, 02:27:06 PM
 :) More experience than you would've liked on the Pop Kev!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 01, 2016, 09:05:18 PM
7/8" bore (22.2mm) front and rear Kev. Ford RS Escort rears on the front and original Morris 8 on the back end.
Not thought any more about this as I have the wifes Volvo in bits at the moment.
If anyone decides to change the water pump and VVT pulley on a Volvo, DON'T. Send it to a garage to get it done or scrap the car. There is no sodding room around the engine. I hate modern cars, >:(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on September 02, 2016, 05:18:03 PM
On a single twin circuit ( or single circuit) I would recommend a 7/8 mc WITH servo with a 4-5:1 pedal ratio.

On a normal car fitted with no servo , twin master cylinders and  6:1 pedal ratio I would recommend   both m/cs  be 5/8ths.

My concern is that the lighweight nature of yours that the 5/8 would be TOO efficient and whilst passing BIVA easily would give over sensitive breaking on the road causing premature lock up.

I had the same problem on the POS and had to increase m/c bore to decrease line pressure to get it to stop.

I'd recommend twin 3/4 mc which will still give 1300-1400 line pressure which is equivalent to roughly a servoed single 3/4.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: kapri on September 02, 2016, 05:18:57 PM
Almost forgot Rally Design have the best price and variable cylinders ie fixed reservoir or remote etc.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 02, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Thanks Kev. :)
I have a pair of nos 5/8" Girling masters and my existing pedal ratio is 6:1 so will probably try this to start with, unless I find a cheap 3/4" dual master.
 Non servo naturally. Trying to keep this as primative as possible and with very skinny crossplys, it would be very easy to have too much braking.
 
The pedal height is almost hip height, so low pedal pressure should not be a problem. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 09, 2016, 10:18:55 AM
I am missing a load of wheel nuts so here are the new stainless steel ones. Well, will be once I get around to machining them. :D
They are a peculiar size, being 3/8"BSF and the only ones I could find were from an Austin Seven specialist  at nearly 7 EACH !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on September 09, 2016, 10:45:41 AM
You are missing the parting tool and the 8.2 tapping drill, plus the load of coolant,tapping fluid required for blinking Stainless  ;D good luck with 16 of them or is it 20? :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on September 09, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
Isn't it six nuts on each wheel?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 09, 2016, 01:25:13 PM
Yep. 24 studs in all but at the moment I'm only planning on making 12, as I have 12 good original ones plus a few not so great.
 18mm AF 303 stainless hex bar. Near enough the same size as the original nuts 45/64" AF (13/16" Whitworth   ??? ) and being 303 it should be reasonable to machine.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 11, 2016, 03:37:52 PM
Been busy but got around to setting up the lathe and make the first nut as a tester.
As it's stainless I upped the tapping drill to 8.4mm and this seems to have worked fine.
Had a slight problem with the first tap. Just couldn't get it to cut at all. Closer examination revealed that I had been sent a LH thread one !
One down, lots to go. I can leave everthing set up and do them one at a time, as and when.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on September 11, 2016, 05:29:51 PM
You will have a nice set of nuts when you're done ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 12, 2016, 03:37:39 PM
 ;D But they won't be on public view (unless a hubcap falls off). :D
As if I don't have enough to do, I sort of backed myself into a corner regarding making a 1930s mg style, racing radiator cap IVA compliant like I did the Aston fuel cap. Seeing as how bad reproductions are $375 and are a bit big, I am going to try to make the complete thing. This may end in total disaster but it's worth trying.
Pic of an original.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 12, 2016, 06:11:26 PM
Pattern made for casting the body.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on September 12, 2016, 06:58:42 PM
Failure will not be tolerated young man.  You always set a high bar and us mere mortals have come to expect nothing less  ;D ;D ;D  Am looking forward to this 8) 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 12, 2016, 07:36:27 PM
Err,  thanks I think. No pressure then. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 14, 2016, 11:57:58 AM
Had a go at making 'green sand' and a sand mold but wasn't happy. The only sand I have is really too coarse .
Thinking out of the (sand)box a little I figured that perhaps as this part flat bottomed I might be able to make a three piece steel mold.
I have absolutely no idea if this will work, but there is nothing to loose in trying.
If anyone knows of a reason why this won't work please shout.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on September 14, 2016, 02:06:57 PM
Steel is used for pressure casting aluminum, I presume that you will have to get the mold good and hot before casting and then let it cool down slowly.
Good fun :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 14, 2016, 07:28:01 PM
I'm just impressed you made such a perfectly formed mould.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on September 14, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
From what I've learned about casting (mostly from other forums and youtube), the only problem I can see is that the middle core should not have straight walls to make it easier to remove from the casting. I would use a smaller diameter on the side you press the core out from the casting. And maybe use some powder of some sort to make the mould more slippery to release the cast.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 14, 2016, 10:29:31 PM
I will heat the mold to prevent chilling of the aluminium on pouring but it shouldn't need to be too hot. I figure around 200 C should be fine.

It's really not that perfect Andy. It's a little oversize on the lugs to allow them to be machined to size.

The taper on molds (mould) or patterns is called the draught angle. On patterns it's so you can get it out of the sand and as you say on hard molds its to allow removal of the casting.
With this mold it all comes apart. The central core is a wrap of sheet steel with a washer tacked on top, so should be fairly easy to remove. We will see.
It will all be dusted in graphite but I wouldnt expect much sticking anyway.

Melted down some scrap tonight using the propane torch. As expected, can't get it hot enough to pour this way but it was mainly done, because estimating scrap volume is difficult. If I get a chance I will fire up the forge tomorrow. That should certainly provide enough heat.




Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on September 15, 2016, 11:10:15 AM
It's absolutely fascinating seeing all the things that clever people on here can do!

Mike and I (being rather old) were just having a discussion about how cars (even his 23 old Jag) and particularly my VW T5, are so complicated now, and even the stuff that's not complicated you can't DIY any more, you just have to buy replacements.  New brushes for your starter motor - buy them off the shelf and fit them yourself, likewise the starter dog, and if the winding failed you could take it to a man along the road and he'd rewind it.   I even had the generator for little RXS100 rewound in the next village by a bloke in a shed in his back garden in about 1999 - but when he got too old the business closed.

Brake cylinders - buy a seal kit and DIY.  Windscreen wipers - just buy the rubber and DIY.  And so on.

I know youi can still get this stuff but only if you know where or who - you can't even nip down to the local garage for a ... whatever ...  cos it's not a garage any more it's a filling station and the workshop's a Spar shop now.

Sometimes I wish I still had a Morris 1000 - only problem I had with that was the carb and I could take it off, clean it and replace it at the side of the road!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 15, 2016, 11:25:54 AM
 :) I'm not so clever, rather I've been around and done a bit of this and that. I too hanker for times when things were simpler.

Well that went well. fired up the forge at 11.00 finished by noon. But damn that was hot in hat, big boots, gloves and overalls. I know it wasn't a lot of aluminium but I knew a guy who had half his scalp burnt off by molten metal, so I'm very cautious.
Aluminium melted well with not too much dross and once that was scooped off it poured fine. Not many pics as I was sort of busy. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Sid_Vicious on September 15, 2016, 11:28:04 AM
That came out nicely.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 15, 2016, 11:40:21 AM
Very pleased with it.  ;D Came out far better than I could have got it with a sand mold. A fair bit of effort but it was well worth it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on September 15, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
wow, truly amazed at everything your
doing on this.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 15, 2016, 06:23:46 PM
 :-[ Thanks Chris.
Just about got as far as I want to go with this, until I get the other parts made. No porous areas or cavities discovered during machining.  ;D
Figured as this was probably the bit most likely to go wrong, I'd attempt it first.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 18, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
Milled the outside diameter of the base to size, using the pillar drill and made the cap section. This was made from 3mm thick aluminium, hammered over a steel former, then tidied up on the lathe.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 19, 2016, 08:14:07 AM
Not used to making things this size. Pivot clevis made from brass prior to parting off from bar.
While it possibly doesn't need to be rounded due to it's position, I figured it's easier to do so now while making it, than to modify it later (plus I like the shape  :) ).


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 21, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
Clevis finished and cap arm roughed out. A mis-measurement means that the arm is couple of mm short but should be OK.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 21, 2016, 10:31:52 PM
You never cease to astound me Sir.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 22, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
 :D
The sheet of 4mm thick silicon rubber arrived this morning. Took three attempts to get a clean cut. Ended up using a scalpel clamped to the tool post of the lathe. Not sure why I chose 'red oxide' colour, but seems right.
Hinge pin is temporary as I have to keep taking it apart.
Going to try to cast the locking lever in brass and have made a mold for this. The pouring temperature is higher than aluminium so not sure how it will turn out.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 22, 2016, 07:57:49 PM
 :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: hunter on September 22, 2016, 09:42:55 PM
Brilliant.Just Brilliant.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 23, 2016, 05:46:34 AM
Thanks.
To be honest it's a hell of a lot of work just for a radiator cap. It would be easier to make a one off mascot but that's not allowed. The calorimeter that I was originally going to fit, is too tall. This is probably pushing the boundaries of what I can get away with, but I feel that something special that stands out, is needed on top of the rad shell.
Mold for locking lever. Was originally going to try using cuttlefish bones but I couldn't find any locally so this is compressed calcium. Never tried it before and it may just shatter.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 23, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Humpf ! That was a total disaster.
As the brass was heating, the zinc in it started to fume off, so decided that perhaps this wasn't such a great idea.
Never mind thinks I, putting the brass a long way away to cool, there is a crucible of aluminium I can use instead.
Fifteen minutes later, while pouring the metal, I'm thinking, this mold should be well full by now.
 Lo and behold, it's all running out the bottom.
To make matters worse when it had all cooled down, I dropped the mold and broke it.
Ho- hum. Time to try something different.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 23, 2016, 04:12:05 PM
Thank God -he is human after all! :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Dslam on September 23, 2016, 05:22:01 PM
That will file out ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 23, 2016, 07:21:17 PM
Yes, things do occasionaly go wrong for me too.

That will file out ;D
Exactly what I thought. :D

Cut and filed from a bit of 10mm thick aluminium. Still needs work but getting there.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Dslam on September 24, 2016, 08:04:11 AM
I love this thread.
I consider myself an OK engineer but this takes it to another level.
It never ceases to amaze me how many 'garagista' engineers are still active out there and the incredible work and design skills that exist amongst us.
Keep it up as stuff like this helps to teach and inspire others. 8)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on September 24, 2016, 02:58:19 PM
Nice work dave


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on September 24, 2016, 07:17:40 PM
Well, it reminds me of one of my old Dad's favourite homilies...."Tradesmans Bill, son, 1 for use of 'ammer, and another 1 for knowing where to hit it!", that about sums up Dave, I think... 8) 8)..Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 24, 2016, 09:11:27 PM
Thnks guys. Your comments are much appreciated.
 So far this has turned out better than i hoped. Just need to sort out the locking lever link and the mounting thread. Ensuring the radius edges on the link will meet regs is proving to be awkward.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 26, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
Biggest deviation from the original design. The locking lever link, roughed out. Not a hope in hell of getting the original style through IVA. I was going to make two links one each side but came up with a one piece link that should be OK and also covers the end of the cap arm.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on September 26, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Very nice work, Andy


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 26, 2016, 07:51:07 PM
 ;D
Nearly finished and at last I can be sure that it will work. Some radiusing and polishing, proper pins/rivets and the mounting thread adaptor to sort out. The cam locking works a treat.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 26, 2016, 07:55:31 PM
Isn't that a lovely thing.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: trev on September 27, 2016, 10:25:21 AM
thats amazing.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 27, 2016, 11:01:13 AM
Thanks.
Just mocked it up on the rad shell. Think it will do.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 27, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
Perfect. So that'll pass BIVA? Just shows you don't have to build a bland & boring car to stay within the regs.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on September 27, 2016, 01:48:29 PM
Outstanding, absolutely outstanding sir. 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: twisted on September 27, 2016, 03:09:26 PM
stunning  ;) ;D seething with envy as ever  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 27, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
Cheers.
So that'll pass BIVA?
As far as we can tell it should do, but it's probably pushing the limits a bit. There are specific regulations covering fuel filler caps which is why the Aston cap had to be modified and recessed slightly into the rear bodywork and other regs concerning bonnet mascots, trim, hubcaps and doorhandles etc. but nothing about radiator caps.
Reading the regs carefully, as long as the rad cap meets all the contactable edge radius requirements and doesn't come above the 4 degree sight line, then it should not fail. Saying that it might be prudent for me to make a plain screw on cap just in case.
Naturally this has to be a fully functioning cap connected to the rad otherwise it would be deemed to be just a decorative object and fail.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 27, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
Really? Even if it has all the same dimensions as a working one? Why would a fake one be deemed unsafe when a real one isn't?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 27, 2016, 04:23:17 PM
As far as I can understand the IVA inspection rules, if it's a fake one, it would be considered to be a bonnet/radiator mascot. You could fit one but it would have to comply with the different regs for these, including being easily detachable or folding away if struck.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 27, 2016, 06:33:11 PM
Aah, O.K, carry on  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: spanners on September 27, 2016, 11:56:26 PM
if ,,BIVA,  continues tightening as it is doing  ,,monopoly,, cars will be out of the radius,,specs,,


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 01, 2016, 08:15:36 AM
Monopoly car ?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 01, 2016, 05:24:45 PM
.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 08, 2016, 08:57:51 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Some days you have good ideas, sometimes not so good.
The rear boat tail needs a safe edge/return where it meets the body sides. This could be done by simply welding a shaped strip of sheet metal in place or a length of round bar.
 But no, I decide to make it out of some 20 x 15 steel angle and solid rivet it in place to match the look of the car. ::)
Reshaping angle to a set radius is a pain. Reshaping it to exactly match a compound curved panel, so it has to curve in two directions at the same time and altering the angle to suit along it's length is something totally different.
Only 12 inches long, it took over six hours of gentle and some not so gentle hammering, to shape both sides to fit.
Just hope when riveted in place, it was worth the effort


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 08, 2016, 09:11:20 AM
Trouble is, if it works, no-one will notice it!  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 08, 2016, 04:19:05 PM
Think they might. I know it's not much in the grand scheme of things but it had to be done so why not make it show.
Just pop riveted on at the moment.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 08, 2016, 08:35:07 PM
Details make all the difference don't they. Nice.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 11, 2016, 04:50:55 PM
Waiting on brass to make the radiator header tank. The general idea is, a non pressurised expansion recovery tank, shaped to fit, up inside the top of the radiator surround. It's not going to have a huge capacity, about a litre but remembering the small size of expansion tank on my V8 Landy,  it should be ample.
I did ponder using the surround itself but decided that trying to solder new brass to 85 year old plated brass and getting it water tight wasn't really feasible.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 12, 2016, 02:42:22 PM
Still waiting on the brass :( but I did manage to spin a filler neck and internal reinforcement from copper, plus machine a brass 32 x 1.5 threaded collar to fit. The 7mm wide flange and the flanged insert should make soldering the neck to the tank easy and secure
Cutting the neck to length and soldering the collar in place will have to wait till the tank is made and trial fitted.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on October 12, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
Great to see all these wonderful skills!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 13, 2016, 06:01:44 PM
Thanks Bobbi.
 It does tend to make a build take a long time, but for me it's the making where I get most enjoyment.

STILL waiting on the brass ! >:( Seems it's been posted today. ::)
I know that there are lots of other bits that I should be getting on with, but at the moment, I can only do light bench or lathe work and then only for short periods.
Adapted a M40-M32 adaptor and machined/threaded the filler cap base and because the rad surround curves so much I made a prototype plinth out of aluminium. Will try to make something like this (perhaps not so bulky) in brass (if it ever arrives) so it can be soldered to the surround.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 13, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
That sits really nicely doesn't it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: No Sound on October 15, 2016, 11:21:03 PM
;D ;D ;D
Some days you have good ideas, sometimes not so good. I could not agree more.

Only 12 inches long, it took over six hours of gentle and some not so gentle hammering, to shape both sides to fit.
Just hope when riveted in place, it was worth the effort. Yes

Outstanding work. Andy



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 16, 2016, 08:52:31 AM
 ::) OMG


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 16, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
 ;D
Still waiting on that damned brass. >:(
Never mind. I got a couple of small things done. A brass hex fitting bored out and soldered to the filler neck, so that when fitting the cap I can put a spanner on the tube, to take the strain rather than risk the joint on the tank.
The rad surround was drilled for the neck and I made a new plinth that is slightly shorter, not so bulky and fits in with the nose capping. Or at least I think it does. Beaten from sheet aluminium and bonded in place.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 16, 2016, 07:52:04 PM
'Tis lovely.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 17, 2016, 08:53:34 PM
Thanks.
The brass I need hasn't turned up again, so I have started by using some I got for another project. Not enough to do the whole thing but at least I could get on with the difficult bit, the top.
Because of the shape needed to fit up inside the rad shell, I made a wood former to beat the 1mm thick brass over. Took multiple annealing sessions as it work hardens quite quickly. A bit of dressing of the flanges still needed but it's pretty much there.
At least I don't have to worry about hammer marks to much, as it wont be seen. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 17, 2016, 09:37:46 PM
Dave are you sure you haven't done some sort of deal with the Devil for your skills. That ain't normal mate.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on October 17, 2016, 10:03:44 PM
WHAT hammer marks?!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 18, 2016, 12:06:04 PM
He-he.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 18, 2016, 12:12:28 PM
At last.  :D Brass has arrived. Some cutting and bending. It's a bit rough at the moment, but that will have to wait. I'm off for a long lay down. :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 18, 2016, 08:11:24 PM
Joints all tidied up and drilled for filler neck. Just need to make the water and vent tubes, cut the neck to length, then I'm ready to solder it all together.
Never sure how much detail to post on these things.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 18, 2016, 08:21:41 PM
Lots. We like lots.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 19, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Had to adjust the angle of the neck slightly.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 19, 2016, 04:04:58 PM
And worked out the neck length.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: mouse on October 19, 2016, 05:17:19 PM
very nice work again Olds



Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 19, 2016, 05:33:51 PM
I got to agree with mouse but i also got to say you have to much talent for one person lol 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 20, 2016, 10:53:34 AM
 ;D
OK. Last pic on this subject.
All soldered up and watertight. Soldering around filler neck doesn't look great, but it's made of four parts and once I got it all lined up and soldered together, I wasn't about to mess it all up by trying to make it look pretty. It won't be  seen anyway.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: TerryFwit on October 20, 2016, 12:06:11 PM
Outstanding.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on October 20, 2016, 03:39:26 PM
excellent work (as always), are you sure you've never been a Coppersmith ?  :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 22, 2016, 09:24:52 AM
Thanks guys.
 I did a bit of tinsmithing at one point and still use the oil jug I made about forty years ago. Quite fancy making a new one in brass, just for the fun of it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on October 22, 2016, 07:11:12 PM
After a dig around in the shed I found mine ! 50 years ago, I hope I've improved a bit since then ;D I still remember trying to develop the patterns and the jug had to hold 1/2 pint. We were only given certain dimension and had to work out the rest. The tin plate has tarnished quite a bit. Time for a polish up.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 29, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
 :) Yep we were shown a pic of a Castrol jug and told to make a 1 pint one. If it didn't measure a pint at the transition point the instructor would simply crush it in a vice.
 Not sure there is any tin plate left to polish. That's why mine ended up being painted.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on October 30, 2016, 07:42:48 PM
Some illusions have been shattered now Dave ....... what with that picture showing the hammers in the background :'( :'(  What sort of engineer has pristine handles like them  ::) ::) ::)     ;D ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on October 30, 2016, 07:59:39 PM
one who looks after his tools!!!! (oerr mrs!!!!  lol)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 30, 2016, 09:40:51 PM
 :)
They are all very old hammers that I have refurbished. Don't think I have ever bought a new hammer. Faces cleaned up and new handles if needed. Still have a few to do. The hammeraxe was an old, rusty, chipping hammer head, that I found and reshaped using the forge.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on October 30, 2016, 10:44:17 PM
Maybe they're just his 'show'ones for hanging on the wall........    ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 31, 2016, 07:00:23 AM
  :D
Part of a hipster 'garage art' installation. Just have to make it all look old and moody now. Perhaps some dim lighting, naff music and some grinding/hammering sounds  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: trev on October 31, 2016, 11:57:21 AM
i can,t make my mind up if this is engineering at its best or magic. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on October 31, 2016, 04:55:47 PM
You may find this hard to believe, particularly in this modern world of "Political Correctness" but my Dad, who was a wizard in all things mechanical, made a pair of similar 'Tomahawks' from two 1/2 Ibs ball pein hammers, as a Xmas present, for me and my younger brother, when I was about 9 years of age!! can you believe that!! but, as far as I can remember, neither me or my Bro. came to any harm, and we are both still around, so..... Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 31, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
I'm old, moody & a bit dim -at last! I'm trendy!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 01, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
Errr, ummm, If you say so Andy.  ;) :D

Postie brought some aluminium brazing/soldering sticks today, so I thought I ought to try them out.
The chassis side covers have some small but annoying gaps in the flanges, where panels are riveted together but can't be overlapped. This is mainly being used as a filler rather than being structural but seems to work OK and appears to be quite strong.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 01, 2016, 09:11:43 PM
What sort of temperature do you braze ali' at Dave? Is it, say, soldering iron heat, or blow lamp?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 01, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
Blow torch. Needs a minimum of 300C The biggest problem is that aluminium conducts the heat away very quickly. The larger the item the more heat you have to pump into it to keep the work area at the right temperature. Easy on small brackets, not so easy on bodywork that has a large surface area.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 02, 2016, 07:29:06 PM
Presumably that much heat also risks warping the ali' you're trying to fill.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 02, 2016, 08:46:37 PM
Yep, so you have to be a little careful. Annealing temp is 300-400 range so if nothing else you are going to soften the aluminium. If it's a small part you risk melting it completely.
Aluminium is an odd material in that the oxidised skin can remain semi stiff while the centre is molten. Especially with old metal, get it too hot while annealing and what looks like a solid sheet of aluminium can very suddenly turn into a big hole as the liquid core breaks through the skin.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 12, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
Had some really nice stainless steel woven mesh delivered. It's pretty heavy duty 1.2mm x 3mm and I was glad of the new big cutters I have and crimping the wire ends after cutting took ages. Think it makes a rather smart rad grill.
Better pic added.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Tony oily bike on November 12, 2016, 02:13:29 PM
Had some really nice stainless steel woven mesh delivered. It's pretty heavy duty 1.2mm x 3mm and I was glad of the new big cutters I have and crimping the wire ends after cutting took ages. Think it makes a rather smart rad grill.
Better pic added.

Agree...........  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 12, 2016, 02:40:43 PM
Ooh, isn't that nice. How will you attach it to the grille shell Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on November 12, 2016, 04:14:11 PM
with some magic wands Andy, he is an alchemist :D  I do agree, that looks rather spiffing olds. I have to make a new grill and may be in contact ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: scannerzer on November 12, 2016, 05:22:43 PM
very nice ,really very nice


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Mendalot on November 12, 2016, 06:56:49 PM
Looks mean and moody, with a definite purpose :D :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 12, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Thanks folks.
It will be secured using bend over tags soldered into the shell, just like the original would have been. It's very stiff so I won't need many. Six should do. Need to find some trim for the aperture edge. Chrome or brass, not sure which yet.
Talking of alchemy. Started on an IVA compliant steering column, using the new, iron steering box casting and didn't want to paint it so..
Really would like to plate the engine block and head like this but that's very unlikely to happen.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 02, 2017, 05:50:38 AM
Almost up to date with other projects so will be getting back on with the speedster after the trikes mot next week. Daughter bought a house so funds are now in very short supply, which means that for a while it's strictly make do and don't buy. Still there is plenty to be getting on with, starting with skinning the body frame. At least that will free up the space where I am storing the panels.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: phunkie hiboy on June 02, 2017, 06:32:53 AM
Cool to see you back on it again.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on June 02, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
glad your starting to feel better again, missed you at Basingstoke


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on June 03, 2017, 07:15:07 AM
Thanks. Wasn't able to stay long at the show but perhaps next year. Don't expect rapid progress on the speedster as I'm still busy trying to teach myself blacksmithing. When I get the chance to light the forge that is. It's good distraction therapy that keeps me moving without the heavy lifting or the lying on a cold garage floor that happens when working on cars.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on June 05, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
I don't have any suggestions for the lifting but lying on a cold garage floor?

A heater and some carpet!  Or better still some thermal window insulation as used in campervans - stuff like this



 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 06, 2017, 11:38:35 AM
I bought a pack of rubber mats from Halfords, (10 for 6). Mainly for something to kneel on, but they definitely help on cold days.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on July 10, 2017, 07:54:32 AM
Thanks guys.
Speedster still on hold at the mo as it's been 'suggested' by swmbo that I should catch up on all the things I promised to do about the house first, "while I'm still able".
 Makes me wonder what she knows that I don't ! ???


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 23, 2017, 07:53:15 AM
Well pretty much caught up on other projects and jobs so yesterday I started back on the speedster. :)
Starting to finish the body panels ready to fit the skin to the frame,. Couple of hours of smoothing out some small areas on the two nearside panels and reshaping an area and that went OK. :)
Knowing that I could fit both panels as a single piece, I had a brain wave .
 Figured I'd bond the two panels with the aluminium brazing sticks instead of riveting them together.
Turns out,my brain wave was in reality a total brain fart.
 All I managed to do was stretch and distort the area on both panels and make a mess of things generally. Nearly took a big hammer to them so walked away instead.
Spent an hour this morning with a blowtorch removing all the mess and now need to try to sort out the distortion.
Ho hum.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 23, 2017, 12:40:00 PM
After much heating, pressing, burning of fingers and cursing, those panels are just about sorted and now riveted together. The pop rivets will be drilled out and replaced with solids one at a time.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 23, 2017, 06:49:30 PM
Thank God -he makes mistakes, like the rest of us! :)
Nice to see you back at it Dave.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: morrag on August 23, 2017, 06:50:12 PM
I quite like the appearance of rivets on this type of vehicle, pop or solid, so maybe its worked out for the best Dave! ;)...well far as I'm concerned anyway :D...Morrag


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 27, 2017, 04:08:56 PM
Yep, think you are right.
Replaced the pop rivets with solids and got the other side finished as well. They are not perfect but not too bad seeing as they were hand beaten. Considering redoing the rear end in aluminium but I will need an English Wheel to have much chance of success.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on August 27, 2017, 06:47:30 PM
Thank God -he makes mistakes, like the rest of us! :)
Nice to see you back at it Dave.
We all make mistakes Andy, but choose not to post em on forums ? ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on August 31, 2017, 08:23:51 AM
Thank God -he makes mistakes, like the rest of us! :)
Nice to see you back at it Dave.
We all make mistakes Andy, but choose not to post em on forums ? ::)

I'm quite happy to post my mistakes. Not so happy at making them though but I post as I go along, even if I don't know if what I'm doing will work. We all learn from making mistakes as well as our successes. :)
Talking of mistakes, the pic reminds me I have to make a new gear lever, as the existing one isn't IVA compliant.


Started to fit the skins to the frame and so far it's going OK. Sorry about pic quality but there's not a lot of room.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on August 31, 2017, 10:04:17 AM
Yup, I always think that by being the stoopid one & making the mistakes, I might be saving someone else a lot of hassle & maybe encouraging them to put a bit more thought into their own project -it's a mutual learning experience :)
Why doesn't the gearshift comply Dave? Edges not rounded enough?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 02, 2017, 08:31:42 AM
Why doesn't the gearshift comply Dave? Edges not rounded enough?

Yep. Exactly that. When I started this project it was just going to be a 'simple' re body but things change and now it's being build to IVA standards.
Shame about the gear stick, as I really like it and it took a lot of effort to make. I could make covers for it but prefer to make something similar that is just in line with the regs. Half the fun is making stuff that wouldn't normally pass, like that rad cap. Can't have a bonnet mascot but can have a very interesting radiator cap, as long as it actually is a working filler cap of course.
Body skins are on and now i'm struggling to form neat, rolled edges on the front and rear of the bonnet tops. Main problem is exactly matching the scuttle and rad surround, as I won't use any filler on this.
Almost there on the first side.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 02, 2017, 01:48:08 PM
Nice :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on September 02, 2017, 04:24:22 PM
Struggling ? I wouldn't know where to start ? ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 12, 2017, 05:15:03 PM
Me neither, so I just keep hitting it till it fits.
Both sides done front and back. Could be better. Also riveted together with aluminium angle underneath to increase rigidity. These top sections will be fixed in place with Dzus fasteners rather than hinged.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 12, 2017, 08:38:50 PM
You do have an impressive front end Dave :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 13, 2017, 03:10:55 AM
Why thank you sir.  :-*
I also have a big curvy arse end. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on September 13, 2017, 07:26:38 AM
So can you drive it from both ends ? That would make the BIVA boys scratch their heads ? ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 14, 2017, 07:06:41 AM
 ;D
At one point I did contemplate making the front end, similar to the rear but narrower, taller and longer. Still think it would work but I like the look of an old fashioned rad up front.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Iceman on September 14, 2017, 11:37:36 AM
Why is it no longer a rebody, Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 14, 2017, 12:11:33 PM
Several reasons. The car had been altered once before in the early 60's and records of this have since been lost, as it's not been on the road since the new computerised system was introduced. While it could possibly have gone through on the 8 point rule (if I could have got a V5c for it) there was little point in pursuing this, as the increase in engine power is greater than 15% with no evidence to show that it was done prior to 1988 (judging buy the poor quality of the original engine conversion I doubt it ever ran). This means that the car would no longer be a VHI anyway. Losing the MOT & tax exemption.
All in all with the changes to the system that are going to be introduced, it seemed prudent to build it to IVA specs.

There are going to be a lot of upset folk around when they find out that unless they can prove that modifications to their vehicle including engine swaps were done prior to 1988 they will lose the Vehicle of Historic Interest status.
DVLA are likely be swamped with requests for vehicle history and there is no guarantee that they have actually kept this information (if it was ever given to them) or will let the requester have it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 26, 2017, 11:02:01 AM
'New' steering column arrived today. It's from an BL Allegro so has sliding mounts, offset UJ's and a steering lock. Hopefully that should keep Mr IVA happy.
Oh, it also fits an MGB IVA compliant steering wheel I have, as well as a certain 4 spoke steering wheel that has featured on a certain Manky Motor. :D
Just got to make it fit the car.  :-\
D'oh! Doesn't fit the MGB steering wheel. The spline is too big. :'(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 26, 2017, 02:21:23 PM
:) I spent ages fitting a collapsible section from a VW to the Morris Minor steering column in the Pop, only for Kapri to point out it's between 2 fixed mounts so wouldn't work. Fortunately it wasn't tested on the commercial SVA we did.
Is a steering lock required for BIVA Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 26, 2017, 03:36:08 PM
Some sort of anti theft device is needed and I'd rather keep it mechanical than fit an electronic immobiliser. which I believe has to be certified in some way.
Actually the steering lock on this is really awkward, huge and will mess up the dash no end so might get binned for a home made setup.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 26, 2017, 05:23:10 PM
So the same as trikes then. I wonder if bikes need that? (no steering lock on my bike).
It wasn't tested in my Pop, but I have an on/off switch for the 2 electric fuel pumps -would that have been enough? Would it need to be hidden? The switch isn't labelled. Just curious.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on September 26, 2017, 07:18:50 PM
Yep bikes need a steering lock or something "in addition to any switch usually used to start the engine"(section 7 MSVA manual) .  For a car I think an immobiliser needs to cut both the ignition and fuel systems and be automatic in operation, but to be honest I'm not sure. Think Uncle Kev has looked into this a bit.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 21, 2017, 02:31:03 PM
Really like the odd ball looks of the Lucas Owl Eye tail lights from the 30's. One slight problem real ones are astronomical in price and even replica ones are almost 400 each.
 As this is a budget build I am going to try to make my own. Not trying for exactly the same but just as quirky. Waiting on the main lenses at the moment, but this development piece shows how far I've got so far.
Should cost me around 20 each plus a lot of time.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 21, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Damn you & your cleverness!
It's not fair :(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 21, 2017, 03:52:51 PM
If I were clever I'd have enough money, so i didn't to have to make them. No idea if this will work out so they look OK but I think they will.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 21, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
How are you creating those raised rings Dave?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 21, 2017, 08:59:02 PM
Steel tube and sheet rubber.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 22, 2017, 09:55:59 AM
I've heard about those sorts of parties.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 24, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
Been let down on the lenses so have ordered some Butler ones. Needs a slight change to the faceplate but think they will still look mad enough. ;D Once again I will have to wait for the lenses to arrive before cutting the holes.
Making one of something is usually easy, it's making two the same that gets harder.  :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 24, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
I wouldn't be able to make one, let alone two!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 25, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
I cheated and made some very expensive and high tech tooling.
A bit of ply wood and some 2.5 mm welding rod.  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 25, 2017, 08:55:47 AM
 ;D And then heated the ali' & hammered it over the former with a hide mallet?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 26, 2017, 02:31:03 AM
Yup. That's pretty much it, except it's a rubber mallet. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 26, 2017, 12:33:26 PM
Yey ! Lenses have arrived.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 26, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
War of the Worlds! :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: paulywombats on October 26, 2017, 01:43:51 PM
Was think the same.

Looking good.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 26, 2017, 04:33:48 PM
ET phone home !


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 26, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
:D  I was thinking more, "Are you my mummy"  :D
Think they look suitably Dieselpunk.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 26, 2017, 08:20:36 PM
Ooh, a closet Who fan :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Baychimp on October 26, 2017, 11:22:15 PM
I love the The Who, Keith Moon was my favorite.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 27, 2017, 05:09:54 AM
 :D Wasn't sure who would recognise the quote. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 28, 2017, 06:25:07 PM
First housing made in brass. Next one will need a cutout for the number plate lens.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on October 28, 2017, 06:30:55 PM
Rather nice sir?. ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on October 28, 2017, 06:44:52 PM
very nice, amazing work.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on October 28, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
Oh I like them  ;)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on October 29, 2017, 09:14:49 AM
Very nice


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 29, 2017, 02:59:33 PM
Thank folks. We try to be different. Almost tempted to make a set for the trike.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on October 31, 2017, 08:45:40 PM
Getting there. Decided not to make any for the trike as it's takes too long, but if I have to give up on the car, or find anything more suitable, the trike is where these will end up. :D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 31, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
They are pretty aren't they.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 03, 2017, 04:58:01 PM
Yep.  ;D
Bulb holders arrived today so I made the internal divider and soldered them in on one. Looks like this might just work after all.
Tail stop and indicator. Colours are deeper than they look but the camera couldn't cope with the light.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on November 03, 2017, 06:25:16 PM
Lovely.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on November 03, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
Who's a clever boy then


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: twisted on November 03, 2017, 10:39:36 PM
Very very smart sir well done.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on November 04, 2017, 02:44:49 PM
 ;D Cheers guys. Thinking about weird headlights at the moment. Lots of other stuff I should be doing but this was fun.
 


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 22, 2018, 01:10:47 PM
It's been a long time that I posted anything here and that's because it's been ages since I've done anything.
 Lots of other stuff and changes going on that have side tracked things a bit. With the latest legislation that is likely (almost certain) to come our way, the speedster, as it stands will become a dodo.
I am seriously considering losing a wheel from this project. Either modifying the existing chassis and rear bodywork (not easy)or more likely using the body etc. on a new three wheeler chassis. Will see what happens with the vehicle emissions consultation.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on February 22, 2018, 02:46:49 PM
Keep going, 4 wheels, 3 wheels, keep going. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 22, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
3 wheels sounds interesting!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on April 15, 2018, 07:10:26 AM
Still not got back to this project. Other things and changes going on at the moment, plus I wont know the outcome of the new legislation till early May.
It will probably end up being scrapped, or there is the slight possibility that I may keep the bodywork to  use on a re-body.
Should sit on a certain 4x4  chassis I have in mind, but I need to do some more measuring to ensure it will fit without needing to alter the chassis and I'm not sure I can be bothered with the hassle.
 :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on April 15, 2018, 08:18:29 AM
You cant let all that good work go to waste


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 15, 2018, 08:43:48 AM
I can understand your thinking Dave -it's just a hobby & the making's often more fun than the driving/riding, but it would be a shame.
If it came to it, I'm sure there are colleges or community workshops or even museums who'd love something like that to display or practice old school metal working skills.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 22, 2019, 06:37:38 AM
Still not sure what I'm going to do with this but have decided that I might as well carry on with the bodywork at least.
Lower right engine cover panel, mounts and steering column cover finished and riveted together.
The left side lower cover is almost finished, just mounts to rivet on, then to start on the bonnet sides.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 22, 2019, 09:26:32 AM
Nice to see it underway again Dave :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on January 22, 2019, 05:24:46 PM
In agreement with Andy.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 23, 2019, 09:08:58 AM
It's something to do when it's too cold outside. I've also repainted the wire wheels as I wasn't happy with the colour (BL Old English White), one had got scratched in storage and the paint was a bit thin in places. Still an off white but now a touch creamier.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 23, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
I thought you had 8 of them for a minute!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: paulywombats on January 23, 2019, 02:02:33 PM
It's Wizardry Andy, don't look him in the eyes!!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 23, 2019, 02:23:30 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 25, 2019, 11:46:12 AM
 ;D
Started on the nearside bonnet side. The one with the awkward exhaust cutouts. Two days of hand beating and riveting so far and about another day should see it ready to fit the air intakes. Trouble is my left wrist has decided to go on strike.  :(
A little preview. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 25, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
I love those raised beads around the holes.
Lookin' classy.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 25, 2019, 03:26:53 PM
Thanks. Getting them right and lined up with the beads in the lower panel was tedious. Had to get it right first time, or scrap a large bit of aluminium (and time) as the panel is well over a meter long.
Apart from the cutouts the panel looks rather plain, but that is going to change once I can work on it again.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on January 25, 2019, 08:01:19 PM
classic work Olds, good to see you back


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 26, 2019, 02:11:39 PM
Thanks.
Air intakes finished and riveted in place. Only really need the front one but it didn't look strange enough  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 26, 2019, 03:29:57 PM
Ooh, them's nice too!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on January 27, 2019, 08:45:44 AM
Its good to see that you have restarted this, a lot of good workmanship has gone into this already.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: poprodder on January 27, 2019, 09:24:10 AM
Wow, amazing work as always. Glad to see you back on it.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 27, 2019, 12:14:57 PM
Thanks guys.
Debating on adding a third intake scoop to go with the three exhaust pipes. A completely mad idea and totally unnecessary.  ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 27, 2019, 01:13:30 PM
The perfect reason to do it :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on January 28, 2019, 01:18:07 AM
Olds, don't take this as a critisism, I'm in no way quallified, and it may be a trick of the light (I hope), but is the alignment of the second one right? If your work wasn't normally perfect I wouldn't even suggest such a thing....


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 28, 2019, 05:57:19 AM
Not offended in any way. Being hand beaten they aren't quite identical, but are very close and they are in line. There are however some really weird optical illusions (not helped by our camera that can't take  a pic of a straight line) No matter which order I laid them out, the rear one always looked much larger than the front one. ??? I even got someone else to check that I wasn't going nuts. As soon as I fitted the panel to the car it got even stranger, but when viewed from the front or rear they look fine. Think it's to do with the light, shape and position, relative to a horizontal top line and the angled exhaust. Wonder if adding a third would make it look even odder. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 28, 2019, 02:47:32 PM
I see what Mr Mutly means -as if the back end of the 2nd one ought to be lower?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on January 28, 2019, 07:55:06 PM
Phew...


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 28, 2019, 09:44:14 PM
Perhaps I should have just said, it's an optical illusion.   :)
You guys (and my eyes) made me doubt myself. :-\  So I checked and it's right even if it looks wrong. ;D
Perceived perspective can do strange things to the brain. In this pic the rear one looks narrower/smaller than the front, because the tapered panel shape tricks the brain into thinking the front is further away than it is, so must be wider than it really is.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 29, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
Huh?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on January 29, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
I give up. ::)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 29, 2019, 06:47:58 PM
 :P


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on January 31, 2019, 06:46:34 PM
Clear as mud!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 06, 2019, 03:12:04 PM
RH bonnet panel roughed out.
Decided against more louvres, as the lower panel and bonnet tops have enough and I don't need any more scoops, so went for a curved swage line based on the shape of the front chassis covers. At times like this, I could really do with a bead roller.
The kick out at the rear is to give a little more foot/pedal room.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 06, 2019, 05:03:16 PM
That's rather nice David.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 06, 2019, 05:30:40 PM
 I like it but compared to the other side... too subtle perhaps. :-\


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 06, 2019, 08:29:47 PM
You mean not quite so crazy? :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 07, 2019, 12:08:44 PM
 ;D
Panel offered up. Needs a little tweaking to get the fit right, but it will be fine.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 07, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
Really glad you've picked up this project again Dave.
So will you be taking the roadster with you to your new place?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 07, 2019, 06:11:43 PM
Possibly not. At the moment we have seven vehicles so the logistics would be a nightmare. It will be a lot easier if I only have to worry about getting the trike and the Bantam there. Thinking of selling everything except the wife's daily, the trike and the Bantam.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 07, 2019, 10:15:05 PM
That'd be a shame, but understandable.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on February 07, 2019, 11:18:07 PM
Possibly not. At the moment we have seven vehicles so the logistics would be a nightmare. It will be a lot easier if I only have to worry about getting the trike and the Bantam there. Thinking of selling everything except the wife's daily, the trike and the Bantam.
I do remember you saying a bigger garage? Sounds like you need some monkeys to help you with the logistics - I volunteer for the trik....


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 08, 2019, 06:42:35 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on February 08, 2019, 03:16:37 PM
That would be a shame Dave after all the work you put into it but as Andy said understandable


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on February 18, 2019, 08:07:22 AM
Wish I could sell my place? Nothing's moving down here?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 18, 2019, 08:46:44 PM
Sorry to hear that mate. Perhaps things will pick up for you after Brexit (god I hate that word).
 Our present house is in a village where folk tend to move within it. Either looking for a larger family home or downsizing. Rare for people to actually leave except in a box.
 Nearly everyone who viewed/made offers were already living in the village.
Place we are going to (unless all goes horribly wrong) is somewhat remote. No house number and the road doesn't officially have a name, ??? but the garage (man cave) does have an inspection pit and a reasonable size room over, so I think I might be able to manage somehow. ;D


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: stinkey on February 18, 2019, 09:36:12 PM
I'm glad for you Dave, downsizing?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 18, 2019, 10:31:02 PM
Yep.  In the 1841 census it used to be two cottages that housed a family of eight plus two labourers in one of them, a family of four in the other and that was before it was extended. Damn it must have been crowded in there.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 19, 2019, 01:07:41 PM
Rolled the Speedster out today to try to sell it and clear the garage.  :'(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 19, 2019, 01:08:42 PM
 :'(


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 19, 2019, 03:31:53 PM
So much work gone into that. How do you begin to put a price on it?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 19, 2019, 03:54:26 PM
Not by the number of hours that's for sure.
Still a lot of work needs doing but I just want it gone. It can go for what I figure I'd get for the wire wheels and the tyres. 500 if anyone is interested. Radiator cap and ignition switch plate not included .


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: BikerGran on February 19, 2019, 05:43:14 PM
Wish I could sell my place? Nothing's moving down here?

That's probably part of the problem - the never-ending, stopping and starting again bloody roadworks!  I wouldn't buy anything in that area either!


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: merv on February 19, 2019, 06:14:52 PM
The speedster looks great, shame its got to go.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 21, 2019, 01:06:40 PM
Providing the buyer turns up that has to be the fastest ebay sale ever !
Within 2 minutes of the listing going live it was sold. Possibly a time waster but his feedback score is 100 % so we will have to wait and see.

D'oh! buyer can't collect for a month so has cancelled. >:(

Sold again. Being picked up Sat or Sun.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: the coppersmith on February 21, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
oh I could, I really could  :o


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 21, 2019, 08:03:21 PM
Not at all surprised Dave. The quality of the workmanship speaks for itself.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 21, 2019, 08:47:27 PM
Thanks. I suppose I could have tried for a lot more but I just want it gone as soon as possible. Seeing it there knowing I wasn't going to finish it was hard. :'(
I'm sure I'll start a new project once we get fully settled in, but think this time it will be something simpler, much smaller yet possibly sort of similar.  ;)
Planning has already started. :)


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: minimutly on February 21, 2019, 10:33:23 PM
Brave move, must have been hard. I wonder if we'll see it around?


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Olds on February 22, 2019, 07:49:50 PM
Well it's gone to a new home and there is a big empty space in the garage, so that's the end of this thread.
Thanks for all the comments and encouragement over the past few years. It's been fun.


Title: Re: New Olds (boat tail speedster)
Post by: Manky Monkey on February 22, 2019, 11:53:59 PM
As you've said Dave, you've learnt a lot from it, so even as just a static exercise it was worth it. We've all learnt too. I've mainly learnt that such work is completely beyond me!
You've launched somebody else's dream too though -I bet the new owner's already buzzing with plans for it :)