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Title: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 20, 2014, 10:38:54 PM I might as well start a thread, where best than at the beginning, although the actual start of the trike wont start until a couple of months time because I have a couple of things to sort out first.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 20, 2014, 10:48:59 PM another
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 20, 2014, 10:50:07 PM couple more
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: twisted on May 20, 2014, 11:17:10 PM Nice one merv ;) the balls rolling now. Keep the pictures coming ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 21, 2014, 06:53:11 AM No rush on more pics Merv. This evening will do ;D
Seriously though, It's your dream, so take your time. Most folk would never even start to build their own vehicle and most of those that do, will never finish. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 21, 2014, 08:08:21 AM Thank you for the support. A little history about me, although I feel I have the capability's to achieve this project I am under no illusions this is going to be done in six months. I have always had a need to put my mark on some thing, when I was single I used to own several mk2 Cortina 1600Es and was in the owners club with the intention of restoring one. How ever after getting marred and having kids this was no longer possibly money wise. Now I'm still marred, 25 years in august this year, kids all grown up, two left home two still at home, now have 3 granddaughters, I now feel this is the time for me, money still tight but slowly slowly catch a monkey ;D or in the song by Johnny Cash I get it one piece at a time. Either way its durable, so wish me luck.
P S I will be asking for lots of advice as Dave aka Old's as found out, by the way Dave you have been a big help. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on May 21, 2014, 08:39:59 AM bring it on merv well done for coming out
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: spanners on May 21, 2014, 01:13:06 PM aint that a 750cc robin ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: triker_Chewie on May 21, 2014, 01:31:04 PM not any more
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 21, 2014, 02:00:42 PM aint that a 750cc robin ? According to the log book it's 848cc Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 21, 2014, 02:01:16 PM Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 21, 2014, 02:31:37 PM ;D ;D
Might be worth while checking the engine number. For an 850 it should read ##/85/##### The carb fitted suggests it's a 750, but that may been added later. 750 or 850 not a problem either way. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 21, 2014, 02:49:19 PM Ok, just got the V5C out and the engine number quotes 0B/85/59053, knowing you cant trust the log book with what was in the car I went and checked it against the engine and it's a match, so what engine do I have?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: the coppersmith on May 21, 2014, 02:57:37 PM must be a standard colour of rebuild material
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 21, 2014, 03:05:37 PM It's an 850 made in February 1980
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 21, 2014, 03:17:35 PM Thanks for clearing that up , the log book says it was first registered 01/08/1980, it was a W reg so every thing is in keeping
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: triker_Chewie on May 21, 2014, 04:32:28 PM 7 months older then me!
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: ROD on May 21, 2014, 05:59:50 PM Good luck Merv.Take your time but keep it simple.Its a daunting prospect, but you'll get there eventually.Think you said your son plays with cars, so youve got someone to ounce ideas off!
what style will it be? Single,2 or 3 seater? Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 21, 2014, 07:13:38 PM It's going to be a single seater, yes rod my son does get his hands dirty playing with cars he reckons I should put a turbo, a dump valve , a big loud pipe and yes nitrous and I said a big loud NO , kids what do you do with um ;D.
But he is useful for an extra pare of hands. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on May 21, 2014, 07:23:26 PM i got an extra pair of foot to plant up your rear when you slow down xx well when the bruising goes down lol
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on May 21, 2014, 08:44:24 PM Ok, just got the V5C out and the engine number quotes 0B/85/59053, knowing you cant trust the log book with what was in the car I went and checked it against the engine and it's a match, so what engine do I have? I can add to the info given to you by Old Newbie . :) The engine was built by a 34 year old man with a comb over hairstyle and a liking for chips dipped in custard . His wife , whose measurements were 65 . 26 . 80 , worked as a bus shelter window cleaner but always complained that it was a pane . Anyway , I digress , the engine was finished at 3 minutes past 11.00 am on a rainy Thursday morning in February . Apparently it produced the best power output for that week so , if the engine is a stonkingly good one , you will think about the comb over blowing in the wind . ;D ;D ;D ;D . PS ; could you give me the vin number for my database :) https://sites.google.com/site/fifersrelianthintsandtips/engine-numbers Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: gazzagood on May 21, 2014, 09:08:59 PM Ha ha another trike project on the way.
We'll done merv Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 21, 2014, 09:16:57 PM Ok, just got the V5C out and the engine number quotes 0B/85/59053, knowing you cant trust the log book with what was in the car I went and checked it against the engine and it's a match, so what engine do I have? I can add to the info given to you by Old Newbie . :) The engine was built by a 34 year old man with a comb over hairstyle and a liking for chips dipped in custard . [/b][/i][/u][/size] Fifer, I didn't know you worked in the Reliant engine assembly shed. ;D Yep, all Reliant info pirated from fifers site. So if it's wrong.... ;D ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 22, 2014, 03:22:58 PM Ok, just got the V5C out and the engine number quotes 0B/85/59053, knowing you cant trust the log book with what was in the car I went and checked it against the engine and it's a match, so what engine do I have? I can add to the info given to you by Old Newbie . :) The engine was built by a 34 year old man with a comb over hairstyle and a liking for chips dipped in custard . [/b][/i][/u][/size] Fifer, I didn't know you worked in the Reliant engine assembly shed. ;D Yep, all Reliant info pirated from fifers site. So if it's wrong.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 22, 2014, 08:59:31 PM Hi Fifer
Sent pm Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on May 22, 2014, 09:02:53 PM Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2014, 07:16:52 PM what do I do with this ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2014, 07:25:17 PM Joking aside, brought this up from the wood work shed today and put it into the trike shed ready to start work on, off to the pipe centre tomorrow to pick up some pipe, then we see what happens
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hornet6 on May 29, 2014, 07:56:33 PM Good luck with the build. Which style are you building....a hardtail m.m.motors style of frame, or something different.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on May 29, 2014, 08:03:40 PM Ooh, I love this part of a build! So many possibilities -& nothing's gone horribly wrong yet!
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: twisted on May 29, 2014, 08:05:36 PM nice one merv its started now, soon be done ;)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 29, 2014, 08:19:13 PM Lets hope nothing does go horribly wrong. Just be prepared for lots of, slightly wrong, or as I prefer, nearly right. :D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on May 29, 2014, 08:38:25 PM Design deviations.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2014, 08:48:18 PM In answer to hornet6 question I'm going to attempt a manky style frame, I like the simplicity of it ;D. This has been so long in the planning I'm not going to rush at this. I'm a semi skilled cabinet maker and you know what the main saying is, measure twice cut once and I still get that bit wrong, so I don't know what's going to happen in this build but you lot will see the lot, warts 'n' all ;D. I'm getting butterflies thinking about it. So I'm hoping you lot will calm me down and help me hold it all together :).
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on May 29, 2014, 08:51:39 PM We'll hold your hand all the way Merv. Hope you've got room for all of us in your shed.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 29, 2014, 08:59:01 PM Buy the pipe, cut to length, bend, swear, then go buy more pipe.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2014, 09:18:11 PM Buy the pipe, cut to length, bend, swear, then go buy more pipe. ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on May 29, 2014, 09:25:24 PM MMMotors -the pipe suppliers' friend.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: scannerzer on May 29, 2014, 09:46:43 PM just take a deep breath and dive right in 8)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: saex69 on May 30, 2014, 10:16:19 PM Great start Merv, i find when i need to take a break from the work shop is to take the dog for a walk helps the grey cells work and think things through and planing ahead.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 30, 2014, 10:34:06 PM Started the engine inspection, cant shift the darn head
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 30, 2014, 10:42:44 PM another
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 30, 2014, 10:43:54 PM can you take out the dip stick tube ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 31, 2014, 04:45:15 AM can you take out the dip stick tube ? Yep.Did you get the head off ? If not it might help if you remove the head studs (using two nuts locked together). Makes cleaning the block face easier later anyway. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 31, 2014, 07:45:48 AM Thanks for that Olds, I give that a go on Sunday as I'm not around today
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on May 31, 2014, 03:43:23 PM Who just wrote that then?!
Reliant heads are notoriously difficult to budge. I usually soak them in Plusgas or similar for a couple of days, then spend a couple of hours working around the edge of the head, tapping it with a hide mallet, until it eventually frees off. There should be a prying point somewhere along the side, (an indent in the head casting with a corresponding ledge on the casing), that you can put a large screw driver in & gently ease the head, just to break the gasket seal, but it's all aluminium & easy to damage, so better to take your time than beating the *!"^ out of it. Great to see your project finally underway mate. ;) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: kapri on May 31, 2014, 09:39:36 PM On stuff that stuck you can sometimes use the engine cranking compression itself to blow it off .Obviously you put some longer bolts or studs in place to catch it. I've even seen someone crank ( non Reliant) over with ignition system and carb fitted ...THAT shifted it ! LOL
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 05:11:04 PM Not having any joy, any ideas
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 05:11:46 PM :'(
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hornet6 on June 02, 2014, 05:18:59 PM Careful.....would a bit of heat help....and I mean JUST A BIT. Then gentle taping around the head.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 02, 2014, 05:32:25 PM Merv. Looks like you have broken the gasket seal ok. Should just lift up now. With the studs in place it has to come up dead straight or it can get stuck. I'd knock it back down and remove the studs.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 05:36:22 PM Careful.....would a bit of heat help....and I mean JUST A BIT. Then gentle taping around the head. Tried that, no help Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 05:40:56 PM Hi Olds, don't want to lift up, its being a swine, been on it all day, I've taken a couple of the studs out the others don't want to move, a bit like the head .
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: terry t on June 02, 2014, 06:01:43 PM Merv have you got a stud extractor
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 02, 2014, 06:05:23 PM One other problem can be if the gasket is still stuck to the head at one point but the block at another but I should imagine its corrosion around one or more of the studs.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 06:31:26 PM Merv have you got a stud extractor Hi Terry No I haven't Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: terry t on June 02, 2014, 06:35:52 PM Merv have you got a stud extractor Hi Terry No I haven't A large pair of mole grips Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 06:43:27 PM Merv have you got a stud extractor Hi Terry No I haven't A large pair of mole grips Yep got a pair of them Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: terry t on June 02, 2014, 06:53:41 PM That's good. if you grip the stud about 1/2" above the head refit a nut so its flush with the top of the stud, then get you special tool, a big hammer and hit the stud square on no try and turn the stud with the grips may need some heat on the stud
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: minimutly on June 02, 2014, 06:57:02 PM You almost definitely have corrosion around one or more studs. If you find which ones you need to heat them up, tap, drop the he ad down, lubricate, repeat.
Wooden wedges are good, plus patience. Huw Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 07:08:47 PM Thanks guys for the advice, I have another go tomorrow when I get home from work, I have never known heads like it ::) :(
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: andyrennison on June 02, 2014, 11:26:18 PM Take your time. Plenty of WD40 and give it tome time to penetrate. I would try to persevere working the head up and down the studs a fraction until it loosens. If you do try to remove them try locking 2nuts together on the exposed thread, may help to turn them. To ne honest of the head is corroded to a stud unlikely it will turn, better to work it up and down for a few days and keep adding penetrating oil.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 02, 2014, 11:33:57 PM Take your time. Plenty of WD40 To ne honest of the head is corroded to a stud unlikely it will turn, better to work it up and down for a few days and keep adding penetrating oil. Thanks andyrennison That is what I have been doing Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 02, 2014, 11:37:10 PM :'( Refit the exhaust manifold ; it will give you purchase on that side .Gently remove a wee bit on the exposed parts of the studs with wet n dry . Tap the head back down and try PH CRACKIT Shock Freeze Spray on the studs Next time you prise it up , measure the gap at each of the corners and gently knock the corners till the head is level . Get a helper and use flat pry bars covered in the plastic from washing up liquid bottles etc around them so that you do not damage the head . Just lift , if possible , a 1/4 inch at a time then tap the head back down , then repeat . Actually , I have designed a new tool to supplement the existing flat bar removal tool and the prototype works extremely well . When I get the time and money I intend to get the Mk2 version made and I will provide details and measurements on my site later in the year . . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on June 03, 2014, 09:19:29 AM I have designed a new tool to supplement the existing flat bar removal tool
-is it a sledge hammer? Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 03, 2014, 10:49:27 AM I have designed a new tool to supplement the existing flat bar removal tool -is it a sledge hammer? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 03, 2014, 05:26:37 PM Blimey, that head was stubborn
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 03, 2014, 05:27:40 PM Glad that's out of the way
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 03, 2014, 05:44:34 PM Just another of those 5 minute jobs :)
Be prepared for a lot more of those during the build. :D I have designed a new tool to supplement the existing flat bar removal tool ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D-is it a sledge hammer? Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 03, 2014, 05:55:00 PM Got one more stud out, cant shift the others yet. The job goes from bad to worse. Took the sump off so far so good , went to take what I call the bridges off so I can take out the crank. Three screws came undone, so one bridge off and the other part free ,the last screw chewed up so tried drilling it out. Ended up knackering the bridge
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 03, 2014, 05:59:21 PM Just another of those 5 minute jobs :) Be prepared for a lot more of those during the build. :D Thanks Olds :) Would any body have a spare and the screw, also can any body tell me what the thread is so I can get a tap to redo the thread, Thanks Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 03, 2014, 06:39:45 PM Just another of those 5 minute jobs :) Be prepared for a lot more of those during the build. :D Thanks Olds :) Would any body have a spare and the screw, also can any body tell me what the thread is so I can get a tap to redo the thread, Thanks The bridge side I need is the timing chain side, thanks Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 03, 2014, 06:54:13 PM For the front bridge piece try- http://carwisespares.moonfruit.com/parts-by-area-1/4518247643
Part number 6019. no idea on the size of the screw thread. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 03, 2014, 06:54:40 PM The thread is 5/16 UNC .
Most of the sizes are in the Genuine Reliant workshop manual at https://sites.google.com/site/fifersrelianthintsandtips/parts-workshop-links-for-mk1-robin/workshop-manuals . In the Section F ...... Engine .... See page 18 section 17 . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 03, 2014, 07:07:10 PM Nice one fifer :D I'd not seen that section before.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 03, 2014, 08:02:19 PM Thank you both
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: andyrennison on June 03, 2014, 08:07:09 PM Start a pile for things you did wrong or rejected. I didn't but i wish i had. I recon iv'e built 2 trikes, the one you see and the one i messed up! All pat of the fun Merv :)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: spanners on June 03, 2014, 08:52:46 PM merv,, do you still need the bit you call a bridge ?
i,v got a 750cc engine for spares and the ,,bridge bit,, should be the same Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 03, 2014, 09:02:01 PM Hi mike
Yes I do, funny thing is Olds just found me the part number and it is actually called a bridge, its the timing chain side I need also the screw Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 05, 2014, 02:38:26 PM Now I got the engine in bits I'm going to need a gasket set, while looking for one I have noticed there is two different ones, one for leaded and one none leaded. What is the difference and is it possible and worth converting mine to unleaded
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 05, 2014, 03:44:26 PM Not sure what the difference is for the gasket set. The engine should have different valve seats and valves also possibly different valve guides.
Engines made after 1990 are okay, prior to that should really be converted. However, as trikes tend not to do big mileages I feel valve seat recession between rebuilds is not likely to pose a big problem. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 05, 2014, 04:57:23 PM Thanks Olds,
I'll leave it as it is then Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 05, 2014, 10:23:59 PM The later unleaded heads were fitted with different valve stem oil seals which fit over the guide { which is parallel OD whereas the earlier guides OD is tapered } und under the valve spring ; as per ;
https://sites.google.com/site/fifersrelianthintsandtips/cylinder-head https://plus.google.com/photos/103091462939236424092/albums/5554044222149616865/5554044396936718338?banner=pwa&pid=5554044396936718338&oid=103091462939236424092 . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: twisted on June 05, 2014, 11:37:10 PM should i do something to mine then as its a 1978 engine? can i just put some of the lead tablet things in the tank to help it run on unleaded? sorry for jumping in merv ;)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: JayJay on June 06, 2014, 12:08:21 AM ...How ever after getting marred and having kids this was no longer possibly money wise. Now I'm still marred, ... Having met your lovely wife we will put this down to bad spelling rather than a Freudian Slip! ::) Good luck Merv. Enjoy the journey. JJ :) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 06, 2014, 05:00:17 AM should i do something to mine then as its a 1978 engine? can i just put some of the lead tablet things in the tank to help it run on unleaded? sorry for jumping in merv ;) In my humble opinion, forget the lead balls/tablets idea. Lead in its metal form will not dissolve in fuel. It wont even oxidise.If you are worried about it, use a fuel additive from a well known manufacturer such as Castrol or Redex. Don't overdose, as I believe this can increase carburettor gumming on vehicles left for long periods. Another option is to have the head converted or fit a later head. Of course it's feasible that this has already been done. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 06, 2014, 06:29:08 AM Regarding mileages in Reliant engines , I have averaged 25,000 a year in mine and had many engines go over the 100,000 mark and a couple over the 200,000 mark .
One of my 200,000+ engines never had the head off it and it ran well enough , although not at peak power and pinking like mad with the carbon built up in the combustion chambers from the old leaded petrol . I run my 3 Reliants on unleaded with no problems , but then again I am a steady driver and rarely exceed 60mph . Super unleaded seems to suit a lot of engines . As for lead balls etc,etc , I used these for 21 days ,20 hours,19 minutes and 18 seconds in my Reliant Rialto . The results were staggering :o The wee pig went from a top speed of just over 90 mph to 196.55 mph and the fuel consumption from an average of 70 mpg to 459 mpg . The Rialto paintwork was transformed overnight from a very dull Cobalt Blue into a Magnificent shade of Brown at the rear end which , strangely enough , matched the colour of the rear end of my trousers due to the increased speed . That was one of the reasons I stopped using it as my laundry bill far outweighed any benefits . Also , as promised on the lead ball packaging , my teeth grew back in , I went from bald to having a full head of hair down past my a*rse { which helped to disguise the brown } and , last but not least , I went from not being able to play any musical instrument to being able to play the piano at concert level . . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: trev on June 06, 2014, 07:47:18 AM Regarding mileages in Reliant engines , I have averaged 25,000 a year in mine and had many engines go over the 100,000 mark and a couple over the 200,000 mark . One of my 200,000+ engines never had the head off it and it ran well enough , although not at peak power and pinking like mad with the carbon built up in the combustion chambers from the old leaded petrol . I run my 3 Reliants on unleaded with no problems , but then again I am a steady driver and rarely exceed 60mph . Super unleaded seems to suit a lot of engines . As for lead balls etc,etc , I used these for 21 days ,20 hours,19 minutes and 18 seconds in my Reliant Rialto . The results were staggering :o The wee pig went from a top speed of just over 90 mph to 196.55 mph and the fuel consumption from an average of 70 mpg to 459 mpg . The Rialto paintwork was transformed overnight from a very dull Cobalt Blue into a Magnificent shade of Brown at the rear end which , strangely enough , matched the colour of the rear end of my trousers due to the increased speed . That was one of the reasons I stopped using it as my laundry bill far outweighed any benefits . Also , as promised on the lead ball packaging , my teeth grew back in , I went from bald to having a full head of hair down past my a*rse { which was a helped to disguise the brown } and , last but not least , I went from not being able to play any musical instrument to being able to play the piano at concert level . . . ;D ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: twisted on June 06, 2014, 09:18:58 AM you nearly had me running out to buy some then fifer :D ::)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 06, 2014, 03:18:15 PM you nearly had me running out to buy some then fifer :D ::) Me to ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 06, 2014, 03:32:13 PM ...How ever after getting marred and having kids this was no longer possibly money wise. Now I'm still marred, ... Having met your lovely wife we will put this down to bad spelling rather than a Freudian Slip! ::) Good luck Merv. Enjoy the journey. JJ :) Thanks jj, what I should have said was I am still happily marred :) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 08, 2014, 07:58:59 AM Good morning boys and girls, I have a problem, I know, I shouldn't have started ;D. But I have so hear goes, my engine had fitted to it the zenith carb which has seen better days, it is all seized up in every which way. I would like to put an SU carb on it, So I have been looking around and I can find several to buy, I cant find an elbow to fit an SU carb to the manifold can anybody help in this department
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on June 08, 2014, 08:18:05 AM Hi Merv. Zeniths were fitted on the 750cc engines. You sure you've got an 850?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 08, 2014, 08:31:43 AM It's an 850. But the manifold is from a 750 (perhaps also the head ?). So you will also need a manifold as well as the swan neck to fit an SU.
Most folk seem to make their own elbow, otherwise the carb sits very high and fouls the fuel tank. If you make your own elbow, you should be able to use the existing manifold. This also allows you to angle the carb forwards to miss your knee. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on June 08, 2014, 08:54:24 AM I think the manifolds are the same, except for the position of the 2 studs that the carb heated inlet, (the swan neck), bolts to. They're 90 degrees rotated, compared to the 850. If you look at an 850 manifold you can see the original 750 carb mounting position. So a 750 manifold would work with an SU, but the carb would be turned through 90 degrees. On my own trikes I turned the carb to face forwards, which didn't have any effect on air flow, but cleared the tank & looked better.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 08, 2014, 09:02:53 AM Yep, that works well and looks good with a skinny tank and manifold extensions. I take it they were built into the 4 branch exhaust.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 08, 2014, 11:57:58 AM What is the difference between the 750 and 850 engines and is there a difference between the heads and if there is would it matter much
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on June 08, 2014, 01:39:58 PM 750 motor. 850 motor.
Bore 62.50mm. Bore 62.50mm Stroke 60.96mm. Stroke 69.09mm Comp ratio 7.5:1. Comp ratio 9.5:1 The heads are interchangable. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 08, 2014, 01:55:12 PM Thanks for that Hunter, at least I now know I'm alright with the head I got
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: andyrennison on June 08, 2014, 11:11:38 PM Lucky you. Ive struggled with my head most of my life :-\ ??? :o
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on June 08, 2014, 11:21:23 PM Yeah, that particular trike had a 4 into 1 exhaust manifold bought from Ebay. I think it came with integral carb manifold extensions, but on previous trikes I've made my own.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 11, 2014, 03:56:35 PM Would anybody have any suggestions on what would be a good electric fan to buy, also where to position it i.e. in front or behind. I have found one that will push or pull air. these sort of things I need to know so I can work out how to do the frame
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 11, 2014, 04:37:07 PM I would suggest a fan with built in shroud. Are you intending on putting the rad in front of or behind the front down tubes, or somewhere else ? Putting the fan behind the rad (pulling) will mean that road debris such as small stones will not get stuck between the fan and the rad and cause damage.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hornet6 on June 11, 2014, 08:36:50 PM Hi merv. As regards to this problem with the elbow for the carb being dog legged .....its been mentioned before on here. I,me sure if we could get the items together, and make a jig so that the angle of the elbow was perfect and mated up to the su carb, everyones a winner. I,me sure there are some photos on here where someone has made their own.
I,me sure it was just an elbow with a flange either end,turned 90 degrees to each other. To be honest...I would be up for making the jig,and making the item in nice shiny stainless if theres any interested parties out there. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 12, 2014, 06:25:19 AM SU elbow. Not pretty but it's covered in insulation. It's two flanges, a cast iron elbow and a short length of tube. This is about as low as you can go and the tube was needed to clear the tank. The flanges could do with being a bit thicker but it works. (The nuts between adaptor and manifold were just to check clearances )
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 12, 2014, 07:05:57 AM I would suggest a fan with built in shroud. Are you intending on putting the rad in front of or behind the front down tubes, or somewhere else ? Putting the fan behind the rad (pulling) will mean that road debris such as small stones will not get stuck between the fan and the rad and cause damage. I was thinking of hanging the rad out in front manky style, as for the fan would something like this be suitable http://stores.ebay.co.uk/BB-classics/Electric-Cooling-Fans-/_i.html?_fsub=4566833014&_sid=300023934&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 12, 2014, 08:58:52 AM Yep one of those should be fine. I have an 8" slimline one on mine and it seems okay
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: the coppersmith on June 12, 2014, 09:14:26 AM Putting on my kit car builders head a mo', we have great debates about pushing or pulling air through rads. It seems the most tried and trusted method is to pull the air through, so the fan is behind the rad. Ensure that the air is forced into the rad and not escaping around the edges, so a shroud or duct is needed. Now saying all that, my sports kit car pushes air through with a fan as big as the rad, think 12", works fine, and has been held up in some horrid traffic jams this year. My engine runs pretty hot anyway, stat opens 92, closes 88. The fan has a adjustable thermostat with the probe fitted in the top pipe hose, many today think the bottom hose is better, but this works for me, Car Builders Solution has a good web site with many fans and thermostats etc. worth a look.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 12, 2014, 05:32:31 PM OUCH
I have two broken head studs any ideas Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: terry t on June 12, 2014, 05:41:32 PM OUCH Drill down to the bottom of the stud, get length from depth on block ,I have two broken head studs any ideas fill with penetrating oil and leave for a day then ease out with a stud extractor Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 12, 2014, 06:39:42 PM Before spending too much time and effort on the studs, is the rest of the engine ok?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on June 12, 2014, 08:49:45 PM Weld some nuts on,Let them cool turn them out with a spanner.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 12, 2014, 09:04:49 PM Weld some nuts on,Let them cool turn them out with a spanner. I could weld a nut on the longer one, but I not sure of the short one there is only a couple of mill left of the stud. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on June 12, 2014, 10:28:12 PM Weld a washer on first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwbb9Oj7VAg Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 19, 2014, 02:58:10 PM Can any one tell me if this would be alright to convert the reliant clutch to hydraulic and as it is so cheap would the master cylinder be ok to link all the brakes together. If not can any one give me recommendations.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331124615144?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on June 19, 2014, 07:36:30 PM Hi Merv.
I converted the clutch on my last trike to hydraulically operated -as opposed to fully hydraulic, using a slave cylinder from a Mini. Mounted on the frame, it pushed the cluch arm from the back, rather than the normal pedal linkage which pulls it from the front. Gives a nice smooth feeling clutch pedal & is just a bit different. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on June 19, 2014, 07:37:18 PM .
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hornet6 on June 19, 2014, 08:37:13 PM Thats a neat idea
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 20, 2014, 01:31:20 PM Thanks for the pictures Andy, so what would be a good brake master cylinder to buy to link the back and front brakes together ? and what master cylinder and slave cylinder would I need to convert clutch to hydraulic operated ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 21, 2014, 08:28:01 AM Thanks for the pictures Andy, so what would be a good brake master cylinder to buy to link the back and front brakes together ? and what master cylinder and slave cylinder would I need to convert clutch to hydraulic operated ? I have just received a small tax rebate and I need to spend it before her indoors do and these are a couple of parts I need, I know there are different bore sizes and that is why I asked the two questions above. Somebody must be able to put me onto the right ones. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on June 21, 2014, 09:20:39 AM i got one merv was on orange trike yours for a tenner plus post including flexi hose
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on June 21, 2014, 10:40:37 AM come round merv and have every bit reliant 2 gearboxes 2 engines chrome alternator 2 starters master cylinder slave cylinder fly wheels ect ect 250 the whole lot !!! you know you want it go on tax rebate spent wisely
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: goose on June 21, 2014, 01:37:30 PM hiya stumpy ,if you want to sell the slave and master cylinder , if merv doesnt want them , could i buy them please ,,
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on June 21, 2014, 05:23:42 PM I think merv wants it speak up merv come buy the lot I told engine she was going to an new home and its started packing ready for when you come
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on June 21, 2014, 07:57:11 PM sorry goose merv is having it but got a few other bits see items for sale
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: goose on June 22, 2014, 08:35:41 AM Thanks mate will do ..
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 23, 2014, 10:50:07 PM Just to keep you updated, one block knackered due to broken studs, long story sort tried further treatment to remove the studs and ended up making it worse. So a trip down to Somerset to pick up Steve Brocks old engine from the trike Stumpy purchased. Spent an hour or just over with him and his misses looking over his trike and workshop. His misses makes a great cup of tea, thanks again. he told me Craig stripped his head of without any trouble so I was hoping this next one would be easier. Any way got engine on the bench this morning and got started. Got the rocker cover of, undone all the head bolts and lift, nothing, here we go again. Spent all day taking the head studs out or but one and the head is still stuck. Oh well tomorrow is another day
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 24, 2014, 08:06:10 AM Did you make /use a head lifting tool ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 24, 2014, 08:42:48 AM Did you make /use a head lifting tool ? I haven't got any room to get under the head yet Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 24, 2014, 08:57:20 AM Quote Quote from: fifer on Today at 09:06:10 AM Did you make /use a head lifting tool ? Quote Quote from: merv ; I haven't got any room to get under the head yet The tool bolts to the top of the head and lifts the head up . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: twisted on June 24, 2014, 11:35:17 AM hope you get it off soon merv. keep at it mate.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 24, 2014, 12:08:51 PM hope you get it off soon merv. keep at it mate. Thanks mate, Hear is a progress report, are you ready, are you sure, ok hear goes THE HEAD IS OFF and all studs out. I have a stud stuck in the head but that's easy sorted. That's it for now . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: twisted on June 24, 2014, 05:36:06 PM well done merv. ;)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 24, 2014, 05:50:10 PM Thanks Craig,
this other engine I'm using is a yellow top, what is the actual difference between a yellow top and the normal 850, are any of the parts inter changeable ? Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 24, 2014, 06:11:49 PM The yellow top has a skimmed head which raised the comp ratio from 9.5 to 10.5
The yellow top has a different cam to give more torque but has less BHP . The yellow top has a different needle in the carb . The yellow top has different internals in the distributor . https://sites.google.com/site/fifersrelianthintsandtips/engine-stuff/engine-brake-horsepower-outputs . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 24, 2014, 08:17:30 PM Thanks fifer
A few more questions for you 1/ are the crank and pistons interchangeable 2/will a standard SU carb be alright 3/ I bought a electronic distributor for the standard 850 will this still be suitable Thanks Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 24, 2014, 08:39:41 PM Quote 1/ are the crank and pistons interchangeable Yes Quote 2/will a standard SU carb be alright Yes , just change the carb needle AEB is the Yellow top carb needle AAT is the carb needle usual for most other engines Quote 3/ I bought a electronic distributor for the standard 850 will this still be suitable Perfect :) . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 24, 2014, 09:01:51 PM Thank you,
You sir are a fount of knowledge, you have been most helpful Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 25, 2014, 07:01:55 AM Merv , I think my wife called me a Fount a few times ; at least I think that was what she said as her mouth was full at the time :P ;D
. . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 25, 2014, 07:34:32 AM Merv , I think my wife called me a Fount a few times ; at least I think that was what she said as her mouth was full at the time :P ;D . . ::) ;D ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: andyrennison on June 25, 2014, 11:06:32 AM Well done Merv. It's probably the hardest part getting the engine sorted :)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 25, 2014, 08:50:46 PM Well done Merv. It's probably the hardest part getting the engine sorted :) Thanks Andy I could have built a trike around the engine and then come the big day find the engine no good, that would be very disappointing. Then to try and find an engine and at what price. The engine I got from stumpy wasn't looking to good on strip down. The bores were looking good I noticed after getting the head of, there seem to be a lot of end float on the crank, got the crank out then out came the pistons, the first two looked ok then came the third, that one had what looked like a graze on it the fourth was worse it had a scuff looking graze with the rings welded to the piston and blended into the graze. I have all new main and big end shells, thrust washers and rings to do my first engine, fortunately everything is standard on the second engine so I should be able to make one good one out of the two Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on June 26, 2014, 04:41:08 PM good news merv hope it turns out well for you both engines i had had a bit of end float thought that was how they were meant to be
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: kapri on June 26, 2014, 06:16:49 PM Well done Merv. It's probably the hardest part getting the engine sorted :) Thanks Andy I could have built a trike around the engine and then come the big day find the engine no good, that would be very disappointing. Then to try and find an engine and at what price. The engine I got from stumpy wasn't looking to good on strip down. The bores were looking good I noticed after getting the head of, there seem to be a lot of end float on the crank, got the crank out then out came the pistons, the first two looked ok then came the third, that one had what looked like a graze on it the fourth was worse it had a scuff looking graze with the rings welded to the piston and blended into the graze. I have all new main and big end shells, thrust washers and rings to do my first engine, fortunately everything is standard on the second engine so I should be able to make one good one out of the two For interest sake where the worst pistons 3 and 4 from the front ,and for stumpy was the water hose blocked off on the head there ? Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on June 26, 2014, 06:59:47 PM no steve brock ran a stainless tube along rocker box ti feed water to pump
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 26, 2014, 09:47:28 PM I got a friend who happens to be an old boy he's 73 and got all his marbles, he used to have his own garage until he gave it all up and retired, he still likes getting his hands dirty so he's been advising me and also giving me a hand. He went over the block and head with a straight edge, he said both looked good and the head didn't need skimming. The two bad pistons was the back two, I try and remember to put pictures of the pistons on tomorrow Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: morrag on June 26, 2014, 10:50:04 PM 73! marbles? what are you implying Sir!! ??? ??? ???........cheeky sod!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 07:57:17 AM 73! marbles? what are you implying Sir!! ??? ??? ???........cheeky sod!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D If the cap fits..... or don't ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: kapri on June 27, 2014, 10:41:11 AM 73! marbles? what are you implying Sir!! ??? ??? ???........cheeky sod!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D If the cap fits..... or don't ;D ;D ;D If he can still find the cap ? LOL Sorry mate, had to be said:) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: kapri on June 27, 2014, 10:41:54 AM no steve brock ran a stainless tube along rocker box ti feed water to pump Just a thought :) Must do that on mine soon.Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 01:23:57 PM no steve brock ran a stainless tube along rocker box ti feed water to pump Just a thought :) Must do that on mine soon.I was thinking of doing it, but having seen that brock had cut all the head bolts down on that side of the engine to get the stainless tube to fit along there I don't think I will. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: morrag on June 27, 2014, 02:24:41 PM I am now extremely hurt, and shall retire to sulk for a while, but in the meantime............... >:( >:( >:( >:(may all your cylinders be...well, oily!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 04:10:09 PM I am now extremely hurt, and shall retire to sulk for a while, but in the meantime............... >:( >:( >:( >:(may all your cylinders be...well, oily!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm sorry, am I forgiven :-* Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 04:12:52 PM Ok just a couple of pictures, this ones just for fun
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 04:14:03 PM my engine block
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 04:17:49 PM Now for the pistons, number 3 wasn't as bad as I thought so hear is number 4, or the rear one
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: minimutly on June 27, 2014, 04:20:59 PM Semi seized, due to overheating and or lack of oil. The overheating may be due to weak fuel mixture, or incorrect ign timing, but normally the crown would have pockmarks on the exhaust side
Huw Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 04:21:10 PM I'm not sure if you can tell from the photo but the rings are clearly embedded and becomes part of the piston
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 06:03:33 PM Can I get the bores honed without effecting the size also is there any way of telling if the oil pump is good or bad ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: fifer on June 27, 2014, 06:36:55 PM New Oil pumps are available from Mini places ;
Following info from my site ; https://sites.google.com/site/fifersrelianthintsandtips/oil Quote This is sourced from the EARLY MINIS and is the 3 BOLT fixing type . .THE PUMP is either described as a PIN or PEG DRIVE type and is available from MiniSpares; http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?ty=pb&pid=35993&title= Part Number ; GLP142 { Described as a PIN drive } { But confirm that it is a 3 bolt fixing before purchasing } MiniSport ; http://www.minisport.com/12g793-mini-sport-oil-pump-peg-drive-850-1000-1100cc.html Part Number ; 12G793 { Described as a PEG drive } { But confirm that it is a 3 bolt fixing before purchasing } Minisport ; http://www.minisport.com/kenop1-kent-oil-pump-peg-drive-850-1000-1100cc.html Kent Oil Pump ; Part Number ; KENOP1 { Described as a PEG drive } { But confirm that it is a 3 bolt fixing before purchasing } GASKET for 3 bolt PIN DRIVE OIL PUMP ; Minispares Part Number ; GLP142 ; is available from ; Minispares ; GASKET Part Number ; GUG705560GM http://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/Engine/GUG705560GM.aspx?10&ReturnUrl=/product/Classic/Engine/Block/Oil_pumps/GLP142.aspx|Back%20to . To add to above , I have found that oil problems are sometimes caused by a weak spring in the pressure relief valve in the side of the block or a bit of the "O " ring seal sheared off or a score in the land where the " O " ring sits . unfortunately , as far as I am aware , the later cartridge type pressure relief valves have not been available new for a long while . . . Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 08:25:36 PM Thanks for that fifer
What about getting the bores honed ? Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: terry t on June 27, 2014, 08:46:52 PM Thanks for that fifer you can get a cylinder honing tool an do it your self mervWhat about getting the bores honed ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-LARGE-BRAKE-PISTON-CYLINDER-BORE-HONE-RANGE-51mm-to-177mm-HONING-TOOL-/131209249056?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item1e8cae4120 Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 09:08:35 PM Thanks terry
I wouldn't know how to use one Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: terry t on June 27, 2014, 09:13:25 PM Thanks terry just put it in a drill slid the honer in the cylinder start the drill then slowly move it up and down or in and out :o I wouldn't know how to use one you got an old block have a test with that 1st Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: minimutly on June 27, 2014, 09:16:08 PM The home honing tool is a glaze breaker rather than a honer. However it may be all you need. if there are deep marks the only answer is a rebore or new sleeve.
Ideally you want someone with engine building experience to look at it and measure any wear. Correctly sized bores are critical for low oil consumption, blow by and making power. I'm not a reliant expert but I suspect these engines were built with fairly big clearances to start with, any extra is not going to make a nicer engine. On the other hand, since this is just a fun runabout, and easy enough to strip again, and it's yours not a customers, why not try it? Huw Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on June 27, 2014, 10:35:52 PM If there is no heavy scoring then the glazebuster is fine, Mix some oil and parafin together to lube,Put your drill on slow speed And with a slow in and out motion let's say six strokes take a look, There's no rush,I've done dozens of them it's easy, One word of warning if you do it,Before you switch on the drill Slide the tool in and out of the block a few times so that you have an idea how much travel you need, What you don't want to do is push or pull the stones out of the block when in motion. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 27, 2014, 11:13:11 PM Thanks hunter
I'm still chewing it over about what I'm going to do Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: andyrennison on August 17, 2014, 10:38:01 PM Hows it going Merv?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on August 17, 2014, 10:57:16 PM Come on Merv we need pics.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on August 18, 2014, 12:21:55 AM I'm sorry there really isn't any thing to report at the moment, been refurbishing my trailer because I need it for my holiday in September because the wife invited another couple along with us so with there luggage there wouldn't be enough room in the car for all my carp fishing gear and bait .My dad and I are having a weeks fishing in Norfolk then I'll get back to it. As far as the engine goes I have had a second opinion on the bores of the second engine and been told nothing to worry about. So it be a case of cleaning the block and start rebuilding it. I'll shall use the first engine as empty casings to build my frame around. Don't worry I shall keep you all inform as things move along I wont keep you out of the loop so to speak.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on August 19, 2014, 04:57:22 PM Seeing Hunter asked for pictures, I now can share my new wheels with you, I just had new tyres fitted to them today.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: minimutly on August 19, 2014, 05:27:05 PM Oo yes, and 4 inch pcd too?
Huw Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: scannerzer on August 19, 2014, 05:56:30 PM very nice love the colour of the centre
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on August 19, 2014, 07:28:01 PM They are ford stud pattern of 108 pcd, I had wheel adapters made ordered through the same company that I bought the wheels from.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: ROD on August 19, 2014, 07:48:26 PM At least youre doing something Merv.Just keep plodding along with it mate.whats the frame set up going to be?
Rod Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on August 19, 2014, 08:10:24 PM "Minilites"?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on August 19, 2014, 08:19:42 PM Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Baychimp on August 19, 2014, 08:20:26 PM "Minilites"? Bless you!Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on August 19, 2014, 08:22:44 PM Hi Rod
Frames going to be a solo hardtail Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on August 19, 2014, 10:29:00 PM They look nice Merv,
Wish i was going fishing with you. :( Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: saex69 on August 19, 2014, 11:50:56 PM I like them wheels Merv what are they off and a cracking job on engine block.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on August 20, 2014, 11:31:18 AM Thanks saex69
The wheels are bran new from R&R Alloys from of eBay. They ford stud pattern of 108pcd, I also bought wheel adapters from the same company, the package wasn't what I would call cheap but I liked them then of course you need tyres, by the time I finished shopping around for tyres I found some for £55 fitted so when I work it all out I got £400 sat in two wheels, it hurts my pocket a good bit, but there you go at least it wasn't the wife who had it . :) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: minimutly on August 20, 2014, 04:38:13 PM Don't they do 4 inch pcd?
Huw Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on August 20, 2014, 08:21:11 PM Don't they do 4 inch pcd? Huw Not in the size I had which are 15x7j otherwise I would of had them, it would of saved me the cost of the wheel adapters Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: gazzagood on August 20, 2014, 09:06:22 PM They look nice thou merv. Keep up the good. Work
Gaz Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: andyrennison on August 24, 2014, 08:02:56 PM Cracking wheels Merv, green eyed here
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 10, 2016, 09:54:38 AM Just so you lot don't think this is dead, I am still doing little bits,
First stage of converting my petrol tank to take a fuel sender unit was to salvage the bits I need Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 10, 2016, 09:56:17 AM I found it scary cutting into the old tank for the bits I needed
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 10, 2016, 10:06:34 AM Now all I need to do is cut a hole in the tank I am using which is a moto guzzi California petrol tank for the fuel sender to go through then weld, braze or solder the fitting to the tank for the sender unit to bolt to, hope this makes sense,
What could go wrong, I can ether make a right mess of it or it will go BOOM in which case I probably wont be hear to worry. Now to get up the courage to tackle it Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on January 11, 2016, 07:21:30 AM Surprised that there is somewhere flat enough to mount this on a Cali tank, or is it the early, squarer type ?
Not heard a big boom. :D Not an easy thing to do, and I hope all goes well with this Merv. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 11, 2016, 09:18:13 AM Hi Olds
No it's not the square tank, I suppose it looks more like a Yamaha drag stars tank, I'm not to sure of the fitting at the moment I'm going to play around with it and see how it sits on the tank before I do any welding of any sorts Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on January 11, 2016, 11:35:58 AM You should be able to do this without any welding or soldering, if you can find a flat section of tunnel large enough for the mount ring / mounting plate, by making a two piece internal ring (so you can get it through the hole), epoxied into place.
Hard part would be making the central hole. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 11, 2016, 05:16:50 PM Hi Dave
I'm not to sure what you mean, could I be cheeky and ask for a diagram that you are so good at drawing. epoxy, that's a two part glue isn't it ? Won't petrol dissolve it ? Is there a particular brand you use, Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to do this I want to make sure I have thought about every thing after all it is petrol that's involved Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on January 12, 2016, 05:49:05 AM Think any two part epoxy adhesive would do. I tend to use Araldite.
It's only to hold a split (two part) threaded stiffening ring in place inside the tank, when the sender unit is not bolted to the tank. The seal would be between the sender unit plate and the side of the tunnel. Just an idea. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 12, 2016, 07:53:13 PM Thanks Dave
That is a good idea if it works, I'll have another look at it with that idea in mind. Would I have to seal the threads that the bolts go through into the tank, also on the original tank the mounting ring is welded to the outside of the tank with threaded holes that don't go through the tank, the sender unit is bolted to the ring with a seal. So if I cleaned up the original mounting ring and used it on the outside with your idea of a split ring on the inside what would be a good material to use as a seal between the tank and the outside mounting ring. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on January 12, 2016, 08:22:40 PM Merv.
Do you know anyone traveling in my direction, I'll weld it in for you. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 13, 2016, 06:58:00 PM Thanks hunter
I don't know any one traveling your way but PM me your address and if I think its near enough and its alright with you I'll bring it up myself on a Saturday, it would be good to meet Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on January 13, 2016, 09:52:38 PM What time are you thinking Merv.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on January 14, 2016, 07:04:56 AM Would I have to seal the threads that the bolts go through into the tank, also on the original tank the mounting ring is welded to the outside of the tank with threaded holes that don't go through the tank, the sender unit is bolted to the ring with a seal. So if I cleaned up the original mounting ring and used it on the outside with your idea of a split ring on the inside what would be a good material to use as a seal between the tank and the outside mounting ring. Yep, the threads or bolts would have to be sealed. Nitrile rubber gasket material is sold for fuel tanks.Having someone capable like hunter weld it in would be the better way to go if you can. I only put forward possible alternatives as you seemed reluctant to weld the tank. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 14, 2016, 06:35:39 PM You are so right Dave, I am reluctant to set to on my petrol tank with the mig, been speaking to hunter and I'm going to take the tank to him he's going to bronze weld it
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 23, 2016, 09:04:20 PM Well, went on a road trip today down to hunter's with my petrol tank took me just under two hours to get there. Went to his lock up, not what I was expecting, he has an Aladdin's cave. What a nice fella, I reckon there was about an hour to hour and a half of work done and the rest talking. he cut a hole in my tank then welded the fuel sender unit in, now I have a tank with a fuel sender. Part from getting my tank done I met a another monkey. Thanks hunter for a good day it was good meeting you.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: hunter on January 23, 2016, 09:44:37 PM No worries Merv,
We've got to keep the monkeys going. Yep plenty of talking and some welder issues but got there in the end, And yes nice to chat and a great guy. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on January 23, 2016, 09:51:12 PM The MMMotors match making service chalks up another success. :)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on January 23, 2016, 10:50:55 PM The MMMotors match making service chalks up another success. :) Made me smile :) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 28, 2016, 08:28:03 PM Just a little something,
A before picture, Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 28, 2016, 08:29:27 PM the after picture
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on May 28, 2016, 09:02:30 PM Ooh! Shiny! 8)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on May 28, 2016, 10:33:35 PM Does that look like an aliens face ( screaming ) ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on May 28, 2016, 10:54:28 PM Is this the same tank your using ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 29, 2016, 05:53:45 AM the after picture Very pretty Merv. :) What are you going to do for the timing mark ? MM knows a great engraver in Spain. :D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2016, 08:20:42 AM the after picture Very pretty Merv. :) What are you going to do for the timing mark ? MM knows a great engraver in Spain. :D I have another case, in fact the dirty one is the other case ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on May 29, 2016, 08:31:21 AM Buy a dremmel and have a go I'd say ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2016, 08:36:08 AM Is this the same tank your using ? Mine has recessed fuel cap that sits flush with the top of the tank Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2016, 08:38:09 AM Sorry its not that good a picture, mine now has a fuel gauge sender unit fitted thanks to hunter
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on May 29, 2016, 08:45:55 AM the after picture Very pretty Merv. :) What are you going to do for the timing mark ? MM knows a great engraver in Spain. :D I have another case, in fact the dirty one is the other case ;D That will work, but changing the timing case every time you want to check the ignition timing may get a little tedious. ;) ;D ; Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 29, 2016, 01:07:17 PM the after picture Very pretty Merv. :) What are you going to do for the timing mark ? MM knows a great engraver in Spain. :D I have another case, in fact the dirty one is the other case ;D That will work, but changing the timing case every time you want to check the ignition timing may get a little tedious. ;) ;D ; To be honest i wondered what the lump was for and took it of in ignorance :-[ Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: BikerGran on May 29, 2016, 03:48:14 PM Manky can relate to that! (snigger)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on May 29, 2016, 08:41:49 PM :P I only do stoopid stuff to make the rest of you look good.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on May 29, 2016, 09:54:24 PM That tank in my pic,I used a Model T radiator cap ( modified ) for the petrol cap
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on May 30, 2016, 10:46:45 PM Does that look like an aliens face ( screaming ) ? No it's a reflection stinkTitle: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on May 31, 2016, 09:14:11 AM Dam you sir now you've told everybody my true likeness 8)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on May 31, 2016, 04:26:41 PM Dam you sir now you've told everybody my true likeness 8) ;D Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on June 29, 2016, 11:05:03 AM PM sent.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on June 29, 2016, 06:25:55 PM Thanks Dave
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on July 17, 2016, 07:26:58 AM Any progress Merv ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 18, 2016, 03:26:03 PM Thanks for asking but nothing to talk about at the moment, I'm in the middle of polishing the diff casing once that is done I can get the axle back together after that I can start on making the frame. After all I need the axle in one piece because that determines the flare of the frame at the rear. All this and trying to live life as well, just got back from a long weekend away in the lake district with the wife, a nice time had by the both of us but lost time for other things but that's life. I suppose its getting a balance,
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on July 18, 2016, 04:27:19 PM Think I would've made frame first :-\..fabrication then pretty stuff..by time you've done all the welding/grinding you'll be redoing that diff ? ::) all this balancing life stuff gets in the way of serious building stuff don't ya know? ;)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 18, 2016, 07:57:57 PM all this balancing life stuff gets in the way of serious building stuff don't ya know? ;) you're not wrong :) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 15, 2017, 05:07:38 PM look what the wife caught me doing
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 15, 2017, 05:08:50 PM ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 15, 2017, 05:15:42 PM ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 15, 2017, 05:17:12 PM cost me a chinese to keep her happy ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: the coppersmith on July 15, 2017, 05:58:49 PM I'm not saying nothing about number 69 on the menu ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on July 15, 2017, 07:41:39 PM Very pretty Merv -& so's your axle :)
I assume the flats on the end of the axle tube still line up when it's back together, (alignment points for the brake drum back plates or disc caliper mounts). Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 15, 2017, 08:10:09 PM They are a little out, not enough to make much difference. Tried the caliper mounts, should be okay
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on July 16, 2017, 08:31:42 AM Did my visit spur you on sir ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 16, 2017, 05:11:34 PM Might of :D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on July 16, 2017, 06:29:38 PM He,he..liar liar..!
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 16, 2017, 09:25:38 PM ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: terry t on July 19, 2017, 07:39:37 PM Merv if your building a trike frame why not build one with a swing arm setup ;)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stumpy on July 23, 2017, 01:57:17 PM Go Merv go think you have inspired me to build one as well before Christmas
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on July 23, 2017, 03:19:46 PM :D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: BikerGran on July 23, 2017, 04:06:24 PM Go Merv go think you have inspired me to build one as well before Christmas Which Christmas? ;) Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on July 23, 2017, 09:21:36 PM Ooh you monkey BG :o
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Manky Monkey on July 23, 2017, 11:05:42 PM Knowing how fast Stumpy works, probably last Christmas! :D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 24, 2017, 06:17:43 AM You lot, what are you like lol :D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: morrag on July 24, 2017, 07:44:00 PM Nah, it wont take him that long..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 30, 2017, 08:12:33 AM I'm rebuilding my axle as some of you are aware, i am now at the stage of fitting the new bearings, can somebody tell me how far the races fit into the casings. There are two, one either side of the crown wheel and two for the pinion. Any help would be appreciated as the Haynes manual show a break down of all the components of the axle but don't tell you the fitting of the said bearings.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on July 30, 2017, 09:34:47 AM WHAT ! The Haynes manual doesn't tell you ALL you need to know ? Well I just don't believe that ? ::)
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 30, 2017, 04:04:29 PM :P :P :P
that dont help much Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 30, 2017, 09:06:14 PM Can anybody help with information on fitting the bearings into the diff casings ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: stinkey on July 30, 2017, 11:05:43 PM Have you tried contacting fifer ?
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 30, 2017, 11:18:05 PM Have you tried contacting fifer ? No i haven't, thats a good idea Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: paulywombats on July 31, 2017, 09:25:56 AM The races should go in until they bottom out in the casing.
This is a fixed dimension and provided your races are the same width as the original, job done. Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 31, 2017, 04:06:54 PM The races should go in until they bottom out in the casing. This is a fixed dimension and provided your races are the same width as the original, job done. Thanks mate, i bought all the bearings from reliant parts world so presume they are the same Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 31, 2017, 04:10:39 PM Another thing, any advice on how to knock the races in
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: Olds on July 31, 2017, 04:27:37 PM Warm the housing and cool the outer race and they should tap in quite easily. Just make sure to tap them in squarely.
Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: merv on July 31, 2017, 06:16:07 PM Cheers Olds
The trouble is i got one in but needs knocking down further, any ideas Title: Re: The begining of a dream Post by: paulywombats on July 31, 2017, 06:54:55 PM Good piece of hard timber like oak, cover full diameter of race.
If it has begun wonder from square, tap on high side to square it up again or tap it back out and start again. I use bearing fix liquid or stud lock smeared on race and rebate, lubes as it goes in and excess can simply be wiped off. |