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Title: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 05, 2011, 04:32:23 PM
Just incase any wants to know :-

The OUTER BEARING on halfshaft is a 6305-2RS-C3/SKF (25mm bore x 62mm o/d x 17mm thick)
The OUTER OIL SEAL is an OS20015025R21/U/M (1+1/2" bore x 2" o/d x 1/4" thick)

I bought the above from www.hendersonbearings.com (£10.45 each for bearing & £2.20each for oil seal)

NOTE: "A" axle bearings are different sizes to the "B" axle!!!! Not sure if oil seals sizes differ?



Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 07, 2011, 08:39:48 PM
Thanks Andy. I hope someone finds this usefull.

Has anyone got any info for the bearings/seals on the "A" axle?????????????????


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 07, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
iv just brought a set from reliant world for A axle

well dont forget to tell us dimensions & part numbers !!


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 07, 2011, 09:25:22 PM
if i prod you a bit more you may even tell us prices ::) :)

please feel free to start a new topic for reliant "A" axle info & parts etc  :)


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 23, 2011, 01:27:12 PM
merv
Full Member

Hi Pete
How much did those tubes cost you including having them turned down, also how do the wheel end bits fit onto the new tubes.
What you have done is what i like to do if its not to hard.
Makes the axle look sharp
 
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steve brock
Full Member

When you replace the tubes how's the flange come off ?
  
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trikerpete
Hero Member



First I took photos of various parts of the axle, too make sure it went back together the same way. Then after splitting the axle in half (also remove the 8 studs) and removing the crown wheel & pinon, I drilled out the rivets holding the old tubes to the alloy diff housing then drifted (carefully hammered) the old tubes out of the alloy housing. I was going to heat it in oven, but couldnt get half an axle inside. With the old tubes now parted from the alloy diff housing I made a basic jig, mainly to get the exact overall length when remaking the tubes. The new tubes were 2&1/4" o/d x 1/4" wall thickness seamless mild steel, 1 end of each new tube was machined down to the same as the old one for pattern, for a length of 65mm. After cutting off the hub bearing carrier
from the old tubes, they were then welded (in the jig) onto the non machined end of the appropriate length of new tube. To fit the new tubes into the alloy diff housing I cooked the alloy diff housings in the oven for about 30mins, make sure they are grease/oil free or im pretty sure you will be smoked out of the kitchen. While parts are cooking in oven, get sturdy flat bit of wood and place on solid ground/concrete. After parts are well cooked carefully place, one at a time, on the wood so that it inline with the new tube and using big hammer and another piece of wood proceed to drift new tube into place, this should easily drop into position. Before new tubes are fitted make sure you file/machine a "leading edge" onto the machined end, this will enable the tube to slide into the alloy diff housing easier. Also make sure that the "flat face" around the hub bearing carrier is in alignment with the propshaft coupling, this is important if you are doing a disc brake conversion. When all parts have cooled down you will need to drill & tap through the original rivet holes, I used m8 bolts after checking what length was needed so they dont tighten down onto the halfshafts. Final job was to drill hole and weld on a short length of 10mm o/d tube for a small K & N type breather. The cost of new tube & machining was £20 per side at my local machine shop.

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steve brock
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Ah bum now I'm thinking of doing tha same! ummm how'd I rub the powder coating off?
  
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trikerpete
Hero Member


Just thought I'd give update as i remember things. its an age thing  
The finished length of new axle tube, up too the outer face of the hub bearing carrier is 515mm, this includes the "65mm machined end". One other thing, at the opposite end to the "externally machined end" I also  machined an  "internall" recess of 30mm/+ so the existing hub bearing carrier (which should have about 30mm/- of old axle tube left on it) can be located centrally before welding together.  



  


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on November 23, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
Hi Pete
Hope the brake parts were OK, i did give the wheel cylinders a drowning in wd40 to help getting the old brake line nuts out.
Back to the subject, you wouldn't half a picture of the jig you had the tube in would you and was it a normal but joint weld you use.Would MiG be suitable to do the job

Merv


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 24, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
Hi Merv
          Brake parts were fine, thank you.
All my welds are MIG. The jig was just a length of 2" angle, held by one side in vice, this gave a flat upper surface to lay the old axle tube on with the "flat" of the hub bearing carrier facing downward. With old axle tube now sat on the angle I placed a spacer under the diff end of tube so the tube was level. Next I just welded a short length (3 or 4") of 2" angle at each end with a flat face, squared off & butted upto the old axle tube.  When its done the old axle tube should be a nice tight fit into the jig. It was as simple as that.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on November 24, 2011, 06:33:29 PM
Thank's Pete
I still can't visualise the hub bearing carrier bit
i can be a little dim at times


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 25, 2011, 04:42:48 PM
 :) Maybe its my terminology........
"A" & "B" axles have inner "taper" bearings which are either side of the Diff/Crownwheel which the splined end of halfshaft fits into. At the other/outer end of halfshafts (near the road wheel) the "sealed" bearing, along with an oil seal, sit in the Hub Bearing Carrier. This is situated at the very outer edge of each axle tube, through which the halfshafts pass through on assembly.
Does that make sense?

Ahhh bugger, I'll find a picture ;) :D

Its at the right hand side of picture, the "lump" (a technical term) on the end of axle tubes


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 25, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
Note the "FLAT" edge facing forward (to the left)  


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on November 25, 2011, 05:06:06 PM
Hi Pete
there nothing wrong with your terminology  :)
it's me, i know what the Hub Bearing Carrier is . What i meant was i couldn't see how you kept the Hub Bearing Carrier square and straight to the tube for welding.
So it's my terminology ;D


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 25, 2011, 05:21:03 PM
When I cut the hub bearing carrier off of the old axle tube, I did so right by the side of the original spring plate, this is the plate (+/- 150mm x 50mm) that the original leaf spring rests on, thereby leaving about a 20mm "stub" of the old axle tube attached to the hub bearing carrier. The 20mm stub can be "cleaned up" in a lathe right back the the where it joins the hub bearing carrier, when done machine the inside face of new axle tube to suit then slide the two parts together for welding.

I wish I had taken photos of everything now  :( ::)


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on November 25, 2011, 05:40:44 PM
Thanks Pete
I believe i can see the light ;D ;D ;D
So, let's recap, one end of tube turned down on out side of tube to fit inside diff and at the other end turned
down on inside of tube to fit over stub left on hub carrier


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 25, 2011, 05:45:56 PM
By George he's got it  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on November 25, 2011, 06:12:39 PM
I told you i can be a little dim at times, ;D
Thanks for hanging in there with your explanations Pete


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 25, 2011, 06:26:26 PM
No problem. Im a very patient man but Ive just bit the egde of my desk off ;) :D :D
Seriously though, its good that we can help each other :)


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: terry t on November 25, 2011, 06:48:31 PM
No problem. Im a very patient man but Ive just bit the egde of my desk off ;) :D :D
Seriously though, its good that we can help each other :)
Hi Pete. can you just run that past me again. ;D


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on November 25, 2011, 06:53:58 PM
No problem. Im a very patient man but Ive just bit the egde of my desk off ;) :D :D
Seriously though, its good that we can help each other :)
Hi Pete. can you just run that past me again. ;D

First I ........... aagghhhhhhhhh I need whiskey :D :D :D


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on November 25, 2011, 07:00:13 PM

 ;D ;D ;D
That's funny


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Cabman77 on November 25, 2011, 08:15:28 PM
Sorry I`m late, only just got here...............what were we talking about??????????????????????  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on November 25, 2011, 08:23:03 PM

Go and get your coat ;D ;D
this is done and dusted :)


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Al on December 11, 2011, 08:44:56 PM
is this the same BEARING 6305 2RS 25MM X 62MM X 17MM 63052RS
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEARING-6305-2RS-25MM-X-62MM-X-17MM-63052RS-/200499490481?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2eaeb36eb1
need a set for a b axle so have ordered the bearings o fthis company for the a type with no problems jsut wasnt sure if they were the same


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on December 11, 2011, 09:39:12 PM
Hi Al.
Yes, this is the Outer Halfshaft Bearing for the "B" axle, (2RS = 2 rubber seals, so its sealed both sides to keep dirt out and oil in)

I would be interested to know the part number/sizes for the similar bearing on the "A" axle, so we can start making another parts/suppliers/price list.
Cheers
 :)


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Al on December 11, 2011, 11:45:55 PM
hi pete
thanks the ones i use for the a type axle are for the half shaft or wheel bearings
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEARING-LJ1-OPEN-RLS8-LS10-1-X-2-1-4-X-5-8-LJ1-/200480527249?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ead921391
for the pinnion bearings im sure iv got it wrote down somewhere i will try and get as well as the details on the seals


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Al on December 11, 2011, 11:55:38 PM
t bone was kind enough to give me this for the a type axle
You could in a bit of trouble her mate, there are 2 different half shaft seal sizes because at some point Reliant went from imperial to metric, they also did this with the wheel bearings so if you can I.D the bearings you should know which you have.
Anyway the half-shaft seals are: GACO.IND. 49516; 51x39x6 mm. or 2.0x1.5x0.25 imp.(nom.dims.), and the Pinion seal is a GACO.IND. 49517


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on December 12, 2011, 07:11:55 PM
hi pete
thanks the ones i use for the a type axle are for the half shaft or wheel bearings
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEARING-LJ1-OPEN-RLS8-LS10-1-X-2-1-4-X-5-8-LJ1-/200480527249?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ead921391
for the pinnion bearings im sure iv got it wrote down somewhere i will try and get as well as the details on the seals

Al. I think you'll find that the above bearing is "open" and not sealed, therefore I doubt it would be suitable for using as the outer halfshaft / wheel bearing.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Al on December 12, 2011, 10:27:23 PM
SORRY PETE IT IS THE RLS8 RUBBER SEALED
RUBBER http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LJ1-RLS8-2RS-RUBBER-SHIELDED-IMPERIAL-BALL-BEARING-/320316850843?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4a945f429b

HAD TWO IN WATCHING


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trikerpete on December 13, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
Ahha, thats better, it make sense now :)


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on December 16, 2011, 11:38:11 PM
Regarding the 'A' axle
If any body is interested i have just bought all the bearings for the diff from Reliant Partsworld.

Product code               Description                                       Quantity     unit price     line value       VAT
25955                 oil seal 49517 diff pinion                                     1          9.99          9.99              1
                                                                                                                              
20195                   bearing taper                                                    2          12.02        24.04             1  
                                                                                                      
200209                 bearing taper/1988-1922 pinion head                    1          8.44           8.44             1
                                                                                                              
6411                   bearing F/Hub inner                                            1          4.68           4.68             1

The outer drive shaft bearings are skf 8-RS1
They came as a wheel bearing and oil seal kit - They are made by Premiere Vehicle Bearing Components
The Code for the Bearing kit is BRT959  Cost per side 14 Pound. I bought these of ebay.

Hope this helps somebody




Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: triker_Chewie on December 17, 2011, 03:19:48 AM
bash that onto a new thread for a sticky i'd say!


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: merv on December 17, 2011, 09:03:45 PM

As promised i have added the outer drive shaft Bearings to the list.
These are the ones that usually get changed after the half shafts get pulled.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: mukit on January 03, 2013, 03:24:55 PM
I'm presuming then that the "A" axle wheel bearing is  57mm ?


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Edgytaff on October 29, 2015, 07:15:10 PM
Hi need help with a trike made from a gt 750 kawasaki prop shaft not turning properly has any one done one please


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: terry t on October 29, 2015, 07:36:42 PM
Hi need help with a trike made from a gt 750 kawasaki prop shaft not turning properly has any one done one please
I done a kz550. what wrong with the prop?


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Olds on October 29, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Hi need help with a trike made from a gt 750 kawasaki prop shaft not turning properly has any one done one please
A bit vague. Some more info and folk on here might be able to help.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: BikerGran on October 29, 2015, 08:17:49 PM
Did you fit the axle upside down Edgytaff?   If not, it'll be trying to go backwards.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Edgytaff on October 29, 2015, 09:04:08 PM
Hi everyone thanks for the replies it's not lining up as if the prop is going over to far to the middle of the diff and not turning?  would I have to cut the axle to get the diff off centre or is it the prop has,nt got enough angle on it?  I'm a welder so not sure about it thanks


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: hunter on October 29, 2015, 09:19:21 PM
Propshafts are usually designed to run offset,
That's what UJs are for.
Where abouts in the world are you.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Olds on October 29, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
There is a limit as to how far a UJ will work correctly. Also UJ's should be used in pairs and must be aligned to get the phasing right.
Bikes like the GT750 usualy have a CV joint at the gearbox end so if used with a UJ at the axle end the offset should be minimal. Shortening one side of the axle will help.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: terry t on October 29, 2015, 09:58:14 PM
For us to help can you post a photo of it so we can see the prop shaft angle


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Olds on October 29, 2015, 10:11:42 PM
Looking at a 750 drive shaft it seems to have a hookes joint or UJ so it may be as simple realigning the two joints. All the same if the prop is short then reducing the angle is a good idea.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Edgytaff on October 29, 2015, 10:30:03 PM
I'm in south Wales iv tried a few things think that shorting the axle on 1 side to fetch the diff over so prop in straighter?  That's only thing I can think of now but swing arm all done and have to make new one to move diff in line now?


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: hunter on October 29, 2015, 10:43:56 PM
I'm in south Wales iv tried a few things think that shorting the axle on 1 side to fetch the diff over so prop in straighter?  That's only thing I can think of now but swing arm all done and have to make new one to move diff in line now?
Edgytaff
I thought you were me to,Rhondda born Rhondda bred.
Do you have a sliding propshaft,Telescopic like.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Edgytaff on October 30, 2015, 09:13:10 AM
Hi hunter I'm from Rhondda living in Maesteg now tho no its the shaft off the bike been cut down and a sleeve over with a quad uj, it seems to be the bikes uj is not enough movement to get to the diff on axle?


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: hunter on October 30, 2015, 10:55:38 AM
You should never have left, i could have popped over Penrys hill and had a look ;D, would have taken ten mins to get there not to say i won't come to Maesteg,Anyway i think it would be best if you started a thread of your own,As this has tagged onto the back of an old thread,Try and get some photos up so that we can have a good look with what's going on.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Edgytaff on October 30, 2015, 11:27:48 AM
Il take some later not sure how to open thread or put pics up il try tho cheers mate


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: hunter on October 30, 2015, 11:57:46 AM
If you go into trike tech you will see all existing posts made including this one,
Now look across to the right you will see new topic,click and away you go. ;)


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: trev on October 30, 2015, 12:21:14 PM
it sounds like the prop isn,t up to the job,it sounds like you need one adapting a reliant prop,is it hardtail or got suspension,either way like hunter says it needs to be telescopic,which will you more freedom of movement.


Title: Re: Reliant "B" Axle info
Post by: Edgytaff on October 30, 2015, 12:40:42 PM
Hi hunter 07535899818 would,nt send in messages?