Manky Monkey Motors

does anyone know if id getaway with a black and white number plate on a q plate bike

No.



That's no you wouldn't, not no I don't know.



HTH

Bobbi is correct


Nope!

You used to be able to as Q plated vehicles had an assumed manufacturing date for regualtion purposes of 1971.

Now It's down to the date the vehicle was registered on a Q plate.

The same applies to all vehicles. Registered before 1st of August 1973 you can have one after that Black on Yellow.

i came across that. wanted to put a black n white on a Honda g5 i restored. just missed it cos was a 74. also believe  [[ read it somewhere]]if its not the original plate and you want replace it  it has to be black on yellow..be unlucky for law to suss you on that.

looks like ill have to hang on to a yellow plate mot purposes

The Government knows........


"Display of Registration Marks for Motor Vehicles".

www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/forms/~/media/pdf/​leaflets/V796.ashx


Traditional plates for vehicles constructed before 1 January 1973
Vehicles constructed before 1.1.1973 may display traditional style “black and white”
plates i.e. white, silver or grey characters on a black plate.

amazing thing the internet......................

O.K, another question then, oh knower of all things-
can I put pressed aluminium plates on my Q reg truck? (normal black/white & black/yellow combo).

Possibly you may.

There appears to be no specification for what it should be made from but it must meet strength dimesional and reflectivity requirements As follows.


What's the British Standard for number plates?
The British Standard sets out the physical characteristics of the number plate. This includes visibility, strength and reflectivity.

The British Standard also requires each number plate to be permanently and legibly marked with the following information:

•The British Standard number (currently BS AU 145d)
•The name, trademark or other means of identification of the manufacturer or component supplier (The company that made the plate)
•Name and postcode of the supplying outlet.

BUL-s**t  have you looked at alot of newly made and fitted plate.s  it all boils down to  plod and joe ,bloggs tester  :o

There's a guy at our local Sunday market who makes plates while you wait. Got a tiny notice on his stall that says they're not for road use, but I can't imagine the types who want "Corsa" or "Man Utd" on their number plates worry too much about that somehow. You can buy them & fit them, but that doesn't make 'em legal.

it'll be alright

Mmmm...

Whether we like it or not, there is a British Standard for number plate.

And whether we like it or not, there are legal requirements regarding reg plates, if anyone chooses not to follow the law, then that's what they're doing, not following the law.

If they break the law, will they get caught/prosecuted? -  Who knows.....? Not me, guess its a bit of a gamble, but what are the odds?? Put it like this, is the chance of getting caught greater or smaller than winning the lottery? - bearing in mind you're more likely get struck by lightening than win the lottery - but people play those odds wanting to be the one, and reg plate odds not wanting to be the one   ;D


From memory, a Q plate identifies the vehicle as one of undetermined age/origin/ parts/whatever, and the Q plate is the first official registration date, so I'm guessing that by default its not pre '73, and therefore not eligible for the traditional pressed Ally/Steel plates

If the owner of a Q plate vehicle were able to legally transfer a pre '73 number plate (and I'm not sure if you can can do that with a Q-plate), then having a pressed Al plate would be, in Manky's case, in keeping with the vehicle's apparent age, and therefore wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, but (if it didn't meet the reflective regs etc etc which applies as the vehicle was first registered in 2011) it would be illegal.

I've seen modern Royal Enfield & HD motorcycles with black n silver rear plates to make the bike look 'old' (trouble is when it starts AB57 … it just looks plain wrong to me), I'm guessing the legal plate is put back on at MoT time. Don't know if these machines get stopped by the authorities, but I'm guessing those that do change them, and those that don't carry on??

I don't know the answer to this, but I've seen vehicles with two sets of plates, the standard UK plate and an American plate, so may be worth finding out if you can fit a traditional 'show plate' pressed plate as well as the required reflective effort ??

Food for thought................

I haven't seen anyone selling aluminium plates with the garage/plate manufacturer's name or postcode on, as required now. I assume ali plates aren't deemed reflective either. The woman I spoke to at Wimbledon DVLA last week said you can't transfer an age related plate onto a Q plate vehicle, though I'm sure I've heard the opposite elsewhere.
I'm not bothered about fitting under size plates or trying to hide them, I'd just like something a little more in keeping with the apparent age of the truck than shiny new perspex, that's all. Difficult to make plastic looked aged without making it illegible. I guess you could fit aluminium ones over the top of perspex ones & just whip 'em off at the roadside if you get stopped -Sorry officer, I'm on my way home from a show & forgot to take them off.

Whipping them off when stopped may work, but not if the Officer reads the forum !!

Tis true.At the bottom of my log sheet it says "non transferable registration"

i have a 1960 bsa d7 175 sat in the depot. it has an age related plate which was put on when the previous owner transfered the origional plate. now on the log book it says the new, old plate can not be transfered again.

That sounds about right......

If you get issued an age related plate from DVLA, then you can't transfer it. (so if you were to restore a bike with say a 1945 frame, and similar engine but have no registration, someone like the VMCC can issue a letter confirming the age of the bike, that will/should then let you be issued with an age related plate, but the plate stays with the machine)

If you personally buy a plate of the era of the machine, and transfer it to a machine to replace a plate you don't like, then the plate can be transferred elsewhere at a later date - but with the following clauses - the vehicle its coming from has to have a current MoT, and the vehicles its going to cannot be younger than the reg plate that you're transferring (so you can't, say, put a 2005 plate on 2001 vehicle)

Fun n games............  :D

With most vehicle law enforcement being carried out by camera now the police are quite hot on number plates that don't meet requirements.

Modern vehicles with Black and silver plates are a no no. You will get stopped eventually.

Repeated failure to display the correct plate can and sometimes does lead to the DVLA withdrawing the V5 for the vehicle and therefore you'd be uo the creek without a paddle so to speak!

Q plates are non transferable and are now don't carry an assumed date of 1971. They laws that apply to your vehicle are from the date the Q plate was issued.

going of track a little but still plate related , my mate recons he can transfer a plate from a car to a bike , is this true ?. i cannot se how thats possible ,unless its a private plate

As best as I know.......

If the donor vehicle is registered to you, has current MoT (if applicable) and it doesn't have non-transferable plate (ie a Q plate, or an age-related plate issued by DVLA), you can carry out a transfer (the only thing you can't do is put a 'newer' plate onto an 'older' vehicle, so you can't give your 1995 vehicle a 1998 plate).

The type of vehicle doesn't matter.

The AA books from the 60's & maybe 70's used to show where registrations originally came from as the second two letters APC *** *  defined the area/county.

Just out of interest, quite a few age-related plates (those issued from DVLA to a vehicle where the date of first registration or date of manufacture can be formally determined) read *SU ***.


http://www.theplatemarket.com/how_to_retain_a_number_plate.php

When your application to retain the registration number is approved, the DVLA will allocate a replacement registration number that reflects the age of the vehicle. If possible, the DVLA will try to reissue the vehicle's previous registration number.

Replacement registration numbers are issued on a non-transferable basis. That means you will not be able to sell the replacement registration. You can, however, replace it with another private registration number at a later date.

'Private plate' can mean more than one thing, could be one you have 'on retention' ??, as in its yours but not on a vehicle, but kinda ready to be used or it could mean one that you've had a while and move between your own vehicles

 ;)

I think it's only one-off personal plates that can be transferred between different types of vehicle.