Manky Monkey Motors

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: kapri on April 24, 2011, 07:30:05 AM



Title: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: kapri on April 24, 2011, 07:30:05 AM
More proposals for changing regulations , for both restorers and modifiers

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: renegade53 on April 24, 2011, 08:04:07 AM
do they want us all to drive around in shapeless boring euroboxes.


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: poprodder on April 24, 2011, 09:07:09 AM
yes.


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: Daddy Bear on April 24, 2011, 09:52:26 AM
bless them Ay


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: poprodder on April 24, 2011, 03:31:21 PM
this is a real threat, i've printed letters out, just to find local mep's.


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: ByzMax on April 24, 2011, 11:56:15 PM
Who would enforce it and how?  ::)


Even if it becomes law over the channel we will just ignore it anyway  ::)


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: Manky Monkey on April 25, 2011, 08:48:43 AM
So this is about loss of "Historic Vehicle" status, by redefining just what constitutes a historic vehicle. Seems they don't want us to restore or repair them, so presumably Historic would only apply to completely original, untouched vehicles -which would count out Taz's rebuilt 1969 Dodge for a start.
Does the loss of Historic status mean you wouldn't be able to drive your vehicle on the public roads any more, or just that you'd have to pay the full road tax like everyone else?
Tax exempt cars are becoming very sought after now as they can save you several hundred pounds a year, so is this just another revenue raising ruse? Or part of a longer term strategy to remove older cars & bikes from the roads completely? As someone with several older machines, I'm suprised the tax exempt loophole's been allowed to continue so long -all those cars on the roads not paying tax to the Government, must infuriate the men from the ministry.
Maybe a controversial view,  but a "Historic" uses the same road space as any modern car & pumps out more emmissions etc & most of the general tax paying motoring public would probably ask why our old vehicles deserve to be treated differently from their modern ones. I doubt they'd support our cause.
So if it comes to a choice between paying tax or not driving them at all, I'd grudgingly pay up.


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: ByzMax on April 25, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
Someone will have to decide if you car is original or just a car that is matained with whatever is available. Who is going to do that?

The DVLA struggle with a post SVA registration inspection and as it's them that collect and enforce the road tax I think I'll not worry about this one too much yet! Although it's wortyh keeping an eye on


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: Al on April 25, 2011, 09:40:41 PM
poprodder  if you are writing a letter to drop to mps could you send me a copy and i will give my uncle a few for taking into our mp as he is doing campaigning just now for him i know for fact he is into the hill climbing i spoke to him not that long ago something like that he would of mentioned worth a try
al


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: poprodder on April 26, 2011, 09:09:25 PM
al,

its on the ace website. follow kevs link.


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: kapri on April 28, 2011, 08:00:14 AM
So this is about loss of "Historic Vehicle" status, by redefining just what constitutes a historic vehicle. Seems they don't want us to restore or repair them, so presumably Historic would only apply to completely original, untouched vehicles -which would count out Taz's rebuilt 1969 Dodge for a start.
Does the loss of Historic status mean you wouldn't be able to drive your vehicle on the public roads any more, or just that you'd have to pay the full road tax like everyone else?
Tax exempt cars are becoming very sought after now as they can save you several hundred pounds a year, so is this just another revenue raising ruse? Or part of a longer term strategy to remove older cars & bikes from the roads completely? As someone with several older machines, I'm suprised the tax exempt loophole's been allowed to continue so long -all those cars on the roads not paying tax to the Government, must infuriate the men from the ministry.
Maybe a controversial view,  but a "Historic" uses the same road space as any modern car & pumps out more emmissions etc & most of the general tax paying motoring public would probably ask why our old vehicles deserve to be treated differently from their modern ones. I doubt they'd support our cause.
So if it comes to a choice between paying tax or not driving them at all, I'd grudgingly pay up.


When the exemption was granted for Historic vehicles there were approx 220,000 on the road, that has now grown to 330,000 ( without a rolling exemption ) with between 3-5000 'new' being added every year.

The EU do not want Historics to have free access to the roads , most EU country have some form of restriction on their use.

The UK is unique ( virtually) in having an Individual Vehicel Assessment  but only becuse we fought for it back in 1977 whereas the rest of Europe didn't.
We have a long tradition of home grown specials,some of which turned into proper companies . We do not conform therfore are a threat to blandness.


Title: Re: HISTORIC STATUS URGENT
Post by: Cabman77 on April 28, 2011, 11:50:25 AM

We have a long tradition of home grown specials,some of which turned into proper companies . We do not conform therfore are a threat to blandness.
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Hear hear, well said that man