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Title: braking system
Post by: pie on January 10, 2007, 03:30:33 PM
I need to start sorting out the brakes on my trike and haven't got much of a clue, I've got a single front disc and reliant rear drums and need to put them all on a foot pedal, what sort of master cylinder is best to use? any advice would be very handy.


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 10, 2007, 04:13:51 PM
Hiya.
We use cast ally Girling cylinders. They were used on some Reliants. Others used pressed tin ones, (nowhere near as pretty -they look like baked bean cans).
5/8" bore seems to work for us. Ska Man's, Flap's & Simon's use a single line from the cylinder, split via a brass T piece to feed the front & rear brakes. We've had a few problems getting the lines to seal against the T piece though, so when I plumb in my own I'll use a double length banjo bolt in the cylinder with 2 independant lines, one going forward to the single front caliper & the other back to the off-side rear. Then I'll link across from there to the near-side. That's the way the standard Reliant system's done.
We don't use bias or proportioning valves, but the front brakes are old 70s single piston calipers, (mine's a 250 Superdream one). The rear discs are more efficient so pull up quicker than the front, which is the way you need it. If your front brake's too good on a linked system you'll be constantly locking the front up & nose-diving. A locked front wheel also means no steering!
Have a look in the brake section of Merlin Motorsport's catalogue for the cylinders.

http://www.merlinmotorsport.com/index.php


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: pie on January 10, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction again!


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 10, 2007, 05:16:53 PM
No problem. ;)


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: BikerGran on January 10, 2007, 07:22:06 PM
On my trike (which uses a cast reliant master cylinder) the brake pedal only operates the rear brakes, and the front one works off the brake lever on the bars.  Isn't that a lot simpler to sort out?  What are the disadvatages?  I've been riding it a few years now and haven't discovered them yet!


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: pie on January 10, 2007, 09:32:11 PM
BikerGran,
There aren't any disadvantages as I had that setup on my last trike, but I'm now unable to pull a brake lever with any force and also my idea was to keep the bars clean as I have a kliktronic change system which allows me to have a foot clutch and do away with that lever also.


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: BikerGran on January 11, 2007, 01:04:16 AM
Ah, gotcha!

That's the route I'll be going with the next trike.....


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: dracken1 on January 11, 2007, 04:30:42 AM
we buy our cylinders from craddocks in cannock. here is the link to paddocks who do the same thing.
both are landrover specialists
prices are good
http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/SERIES/Clutch/Clutch_master_cylinder-S111.html (http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/SERIES/Clutch/Clutch_master_cylinder-S111.html)


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: pie on January 29, 2007, 10:12:26 PM
Sorted out the master cylinder now, but someone has just pointed out that because i've swapped the backplates round the slave cylinders are now upside down and are going to be impossible to bleed because the bleed nipple is now on the bottom, is this right? and if so how do i get round it?


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: harley gazz on January 31, 2007, 03:53:26 PM
we buy our cylinders from craddocks in cannock. here is the link to paddocks who do the same thing.
both are landrover specialists
prices are good
http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/SERIES/Clutch/Clutch_master_cylinder-S111.html (http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/SERIES/Clutch/Clutch_master_cylinder-S111.html)
im with ya on that one i used a landrover 90 clutch master cylinder plenty of pressure to the rear brakes only cost me about 12 ,14 quid ,an jobs a gud un


Title: Re: braking system
Post by: Borgy on February 06, 2007, 12:45:33 AM
Sorted out the master cylinder now, but someone has just pointed out that because i've swapped the backplates round the slave cylinders are now upside down and are going to be impossible to bleed because the bleed nipple is now on the bottom, is this right? and if so how do i get round it?

Take the back plates off, 4 bolts and swap them around from side to side then set the piston/bleed nipple at the top