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Title: sump shrink
Post by: v8dodger on February 02, 2014, 10:13:42 PM
iv been playing around  in my head a v8 engine swop  on my bsa trike as its got a gs engine that's to bloody nackerd, but hit a  ground Clarance snag  is it pos to  cut the sump doun, ie were the dip is in the sump for a Axel could it be pos to shift the other half side over if you see my meaning.  will this play havoc  with the running of the oil sys. i no the pick up will need reworking. im a bit stuck , thanks all


Title: Re: sump shrink
Post by: dr big750 on February 03, 2014, 03:01:23 PM
#1. you'll loose valuable oil capacity, unless you add capacity to one of the 4 sides of the remaining sump.
#2. you'll loose the sump effect of this lower area, and could loose oil supply due to surge under cornering, braking or accelerating, you'll need to baffle the remainder of the sump and may not have room to do this to good effect
#3 your oil pump may need this space
you can overcome these problems with enough carefull planing, or even you can go dry sumped, eg oil in a remote tank and an exterior  oil pump driven from a pulley, but dry sump systems can be expensive.
This is only my opinion and experience from the cars I have worked on, but I am not familiar with your exact engine and will stand corrected.
Don't rule out the idea, but gather plenty of information, some knowledgeable V8 chaps on here.
Alan


Title: Re: sump shrink
Post by: v8dodger on February 03, 2014, 03:07:16 PM
thanks allen, my thinking is spot on with what you were saying , ie what i remove from the front will be replased identically at the back ,manly to square of the sump and after going on eBay i found people selling sumps with baffles read up on that and also decided that  will need that as the sump depth is less. how do the dry sump sys work.


Title: Re: sump shrink
Post by: Olds on February 03, 2014, 03:30:39 PM
Same as most old Brit bikes. Dry sump is really just a very shallow sump with a scavenge pump to suck the oil out and into a separate tank. The oil is then returned to the engine usually via the normal oil pump. Very expensive.
 J Eales do a conversion kit. The sump is about £400 and the pump approx. £800 Plus associated mods should imagine total cost to be about £1500 + vat


Title: Re: sump shrink
Post by: dr big750 on February 03, 2014, 03:32:13 PM
A dry sump works by having a sump which as the name says is basically dry, it just clears the crankshaft and has a very small collector for the oil after it has been through the engine.
From this collector it travels by remote pipe to an oil pump which is mounted in a position usually below the alterator,driven by a belt from the crankshaft, this is the scavange side, and is pumped back to the remote tank, which can be positioned any where within reason, in a rally car the engine is in front end and oil tank in the boot.
Oil is then pulled from this same tank back to the same pump, but this time to the pressure side, this is the side that creates oil pressure, and is then fed into an oil gallery close to where the original pump in the sump supplied oil, oil travels in the oil galleries lubricates all engine parts, and then falls by gravity into the dry sump and begins the route round the system again.
Hope you can follow this.
Alan


Title: Re: sump shrink
Post by: v8dodger on February 03, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
thanks guys got it. food for thourt all this. i think just from eyballing were i think it will sit i may only need to remove 2 inch and put that back the other side.