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Title: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 23, 2013, 07:05:47 PM Decided to have a go at making an internal throttle. Partly because I'm to tight to buy one but mainly because I feel, most a too complicated.
The design is based on the old Honda one, (simple but let down by poor material selection) Has only two moving parts, the slide and the twist grip and requires only one screw to hold it al together. Usual disclaimer- This might not work. :P Started with the slide, made from bits of brass scrap. The original Honda ones were a soft alloy casting and wore badly. Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 23, 2013, 07:10:37 PM These have now been blind riveted together using copper pins until I get around to brazing them together. I used copper because one will have to be drilled out later.
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: andbolt0 on October 23, 2013, 10:58:56 PM you cant leave us in susspence like this you know
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 24, 2013, 07:23:34 AM ::)
I post as I go along. That way if I balls it up you will get to see that too and hopefully someone will tell me if I'm going wrong before I make a complete ass of myself. It may not look it but the slide has so far taken a couple of hours to shape. Once brazed it will have a diagonal cam slot cut across the top to match a spiral that will be inside the twist grip tube. Getting it wrong. :P Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: steven brock on October 24, 2013, 01:07:41 PM Starting to look complex...good luck .. Lol
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 24, 2013, 08:45:10 PM Trying to get the pitch correct on the spiral is a pain but first try I even had the helix going in the wrong direction :-[
Worked better second time around and have cut the slide to suit. Should be able to get the slide finished tomorrow by drilling and slotting to take the end of the cable. Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: andyrennison on October 24, 2013, 09:39:57 PM Really looking forward to seeing this done :)
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 25, 2013, 10:40:50 AM Me too ;D
Apart from some smoothing out this is the finished slide. Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 25, 2013, 01:31:27 PM The outer cable stop/guide.
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Manky Monkey on October 25, 2013, 07:48:57 PM A beautiful job as always Dave. I wouldn't know where to start, attempting to make one from scratch.
I picked up a Honda one from an autojumble once, intending to use it on my Reliant trike, but the throttle didn't turn far enough to fully open the Reliant's SU carb. Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 26, 2013, 10:46:56 AM Yep that's always the problem.
Even doing it myself, have decided not to try to get the full travel at the twist grip, as it steepens the angle of the helix. This makes the throttle harder to turn and increases wear. Instead I plan on altering the length of the lever on the carb. Throttle tube made along with the end bearing bush. Forgot to take a pic of the bush but basically a plain bush with two grooves in the OD that the grip tube has been roll crimped into. This will also be soldered into place. The helix has already been soldered into place. Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Manky Monkey on October 26, 2013, 10:53:43 AM So you fitted the screw, (Helix), inside the twist grip tube by drilling through the tube & soldering from the outside?
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on October 26, 2013, 11:07:46 AM Nope. Soldered it in place by standing the tube on end (the spiral is a very tight fit so stayed in its correct position), heating with a gas torch and applying flux then solder to the top of the helix. Gravity and capillary action meant the solder ran all the way down the spiral. Simples ;D
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: andyrennison on October 26, 2013, 12:15:57 PM Nope. Soldered it in place by standing the tube on end (the spiral is a very tight fit so stayed in its correct position), heating with a gas torch and applying flux then solder to the top of the helix. Gravity and capillary action meant the solder ran all the way down the spiral. Simples ;D very smartTitle: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Manky Monkey on October 26, 2013, 05:13:46 PM He's a clever old sausage is Dave.
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on November 03, 2013, 07:44:23 AM Handlebar section/slide guide.
This took a while. Starting with a solid bar 19mm Dia, the spigot was machined first, then the bar was bored out 10mm Dia. to depth. This leaves a 4.5mm wall which should give plenty of bearing area for the slide. Not having a mill meant that the slot had to be done the old fashioned way by drilling holes in a line then grinding and filing then burnishing out the rest. The spigot at the end is drilled and tapped to take the twist grip retaining screw. Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on November 03, 2013, 02:30:50 PM IT WORKS ;D
Temporarily assembled ( but not welded ::) ) on a piece of tube left over from making the new bars. Just over 1/2 turn (190 deg. ) gives about 35mm of pull which should be enough. The grip tube has been scored to ensure good gluing of the rubber grip. Not my prettiest work but you wont see any of it. Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: merv on November 03, 2013, 02:40:16 PM That's good news, when are you going into production ;D
Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: scannerzer on November 03, 2013, 03:45:03 PM That's good news, when are you going into production ;D yep think there'd be a market all right Title: Re: Internal throttle. Post by: Olds on November 03, 2013, 08:32:20 PM No way. Too much effort and I'm supposed to be retired. :)
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