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« Reply #4020 on: October 29, 2011, 09:12:21 PM »

Been  emptying the garage today ready for moving,too late now but found the starter motor..........all 3 of them lol.
Neil have you got an alternator in your garage Andy could borrow. so we can test the wirering

alternator test is  easy peasy

heavy live from  batt + to large term on alt

small feed from batt+ to 12v bulb holder (with bulb lol)other side of bulb holder to alt warnig term small spade

start engine and light should go out at fast idle ....
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« Reply #4021 on: October 29, 2011, 09:20:24 PM »

Been  emptying the garage today ready for moving,too late now but found the starter motor..........all 3 of them lol.
Neil have you got an alternator in your garage Andy could borrow. so we can test the wirering

alternator test is  easy peasy

heavy live from  batt + to large term on alt

small feed from batt+ to 12v bulb holder (with bulb lol)other side of bulb holder to alt warnig term small spade

start engine and light should go out at fast idle ....
Hi Mike we have it wired like that but with the bulb on the dash it stays on all the time. we think the alternator has blown a diode as it has been run before with out being connected to any thing
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« Reply #4022 on: October 29, 2011, 09:28:45 PM »

it maybe worth a try temp wiring it independantly

it,ll rule out anything else and it only take,s a few mins



what alt is it Huh
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« Reply #4023 on: October 29, 2011, 09:50:09 PM »

Cant you just take a voltage reading?
Generaly speaking, if the light is on, the thing aint charging.

The fan fault is probably the switch, disconnect thw wires and join them together.
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« Reply #4024 on: October 29, 2011, 10:05:04 PM »

Cant you just take a voltage reading?
Generaly speaking, if the light is on, the thing aint charging.

The fan fault is probably the switch, disconnect thw wires and join them together.
done that with a muti meter no change in reading
the fan lost the power from the wiring module taken a 12v supply and bye passed the switch so it runs all the time for now
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« Reply #4025 on: October 29, 2011, 10:06:56 PM »

The multi meter's showing no charge going into the battery at all, so time to rebuild or replace the alternator. We took it off late this afternoon, but then realised we need it as the fan belt also powers the water pump, so without it we can't run the engine.
I'm happy to admit I'm no mechanic. I know what goes on inside an engine, but I'm rubbish at fault diagnosis & cure. So I'm finding myself standing by, watching Terry & Kev & awaiting instructions to start the engine, rev the engine, stop the engine etc, as required.
Between them, they've managed to get the motor starting reliably & ticking over. We, (they), had a problem with the engine overheating. The water system was becoming highly pressurised & we could hear popping from the mouth of the carb, followed by hissing from the inlet/water distribution manifold when we switched off. Turned out, as terry said, that the cooling fan wasn't cutting in &, with the radiator a couple of inches below full, the water in the system was turning to steam. Eventually it blew out of the expansion tank overflow pipe, as it's designed to do, in spectacular fashion. The pops we could hear were fuel detonating as it hit the bottom of the hot inlet manifold.
The fan fuse had blown  -I think the pre-wired fuseboard was fitted with a 10amp fuse when it needed a 20. Terry replaced the fuse & put a bridging wire across the fan switch terminals so that it runs all the time when the ignition's on. After Kev had left for home, Terry & I refilled the radiator & ran the engine for 20 minutes or so with no problems at all. Over the next few days, I'll run it again & if all's well, will remove the bridging wire & see if the thermostatic switch cuts the fan back in when it gets up to temperature.
The tick-over hunts a bit -it rises a falls in a rythmic fashion & the fuel pump ticks in a similar way. Not humming, but ticking quite loudly as it does when the pump's dry -any ideas?
Having removed the baffles from the ends of the exhausts so that the SVA testers can push their emmissions testing probe into them, it's now reading 106 decibels. So I think I'll have to replace the baffles & extend the tail pipes a little.
Kev needs his vacuum gauge to fine tune the carb, but according to his gas analyser, the emmissions are reasonable.
Once the engine's hot, the hydraulic tappets get very noisy. First course of action is to change the oil & filter -it's still using the same lubricant that was in it when I bought it about 3 years ago.
So I need to buy or borrow a Rover SD1 alternator & change the oil. That's my instructions for now.
As always, many, many thanks to Kev & Terry. Really appreciate your continuing help guys.  Kiss   
   
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« Reply #4026 on: October 29, 2011, 10:17:43 PM »

what doe,s the little ally tag on the alt say

should be something like 17ACR 
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« Reply #4027 on: October 29, 2011, 10:22:31 PM »

Don't remember seeing one Mike. It's an '84 SD1 engine, so even if it's got a non standard alternator fitted, the standard one will do nicely.
I've used a bolt-on bracket, made by Chris at Pop Browns, to move the alternator from top right of the engine, to bottom left.
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« Reply #4028 on: October 29, 2011, 10:27:09 PM »

it should be this one Mike.....65amp with stud terminals.
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« Reply #4029 on: October 29, 2011, 10:34:15 PM »

picture would be good

if you go askin for an alt for an SD1 they will say££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££,s

the same one fitted 1000,s of things  but sometime,s you had to ,,swing,, the end plate to change them from right to left hand fitting or the other way round

cheap replacement or exchange is more economical than repair as to buy the diode pack is about£17  the brush gear another £10 or £15

then if the windings are ,poorly ,,

 not long since i was getting exchange units for £38 gaurenteed

also if you change the pulley over ,,DONT,, use the air wrench when doing up the nut ,,,,,as this can spin the armature a f++k the alt up
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« Reply #4030 on: October 29, 2011, 10:35:28 PM »

it should be this one Mike.....65amp with stud terminals.

mk3 or 4 escort diesel van will fit then  Wink Wink
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« Reply #4031 on: October 29, 2011, 10:38:19 PM »

i,ve got to go debt collecting tommozz  but send me a reminder and i,ll look in the old workshop there,s about 30 or 40 lying on the shelf

i,ll see whats what and ,bench, test any good uns  Smiley
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« Reply #4032 on: October 29, 2011, 10:40:31 PM »

30 or 40?!
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« Reply #4033 on: October 29, 2011, 10:43:53 PM »

yep maybe more there,s also around 60 starter motors going in the skip Shocked

and i havnt got in through the door of the small workshop yet and there,s even a biggish lathe in there somewhere
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« Reply #4034 on: October 29, 2011, 10:45:06 PM »

Any left handed unit can be fitted, as long as its complete with pulley. The wiring connectors can soon be changed.
The trouble would be in getting a good second hand one, to test it correctly would need an oscilloscope.


The hunting could be a direct result of the fuel pump not supplying enough petrol. In my limited experiance of electric pumps, they hum steadily.
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