EU - in or out. Looking for useful facts and figures

[morrag]

I suppose that our fishing fleets demise would have nothing to do with Iceland declaring a 200 mile fishing limit in our deep sea fleets principle fishing areas then?...just a thought! and calling those of opposing sentiments crude names does little to any ones case, don't you think ..Morrag

[stinkey]

I had Mr geldof in my taxi twice, and I can honestly tell you,the guy is one of the TIGHTEST men iv met,and didn't stop moaning the whole journey 

[JayJay]

I used to like Geldof in the Boomtown Rats but after Live Aid he seemed to think that everything he spouted should be listened to. Like Bono, I think their egos are just too big and they aren't liked as much as they think they are. I think he will be surprised how many people think this stunt he pulled today showed both his ignorance and his disrespect for the plight of the fisherman. Obviously it was all done because of Farage but I think Geldof and his mates will not like the feedback they will get.

Geldof is on the next 'Question Time'. If Eddie Izzard wasn't bad enough the other week. I really don't know why they encourage these Champagne Socialists and politically correct Liberals. They are not really representative of the Common Man.

[stinkey]

Well Mr Izard seemed to keep going on about Mr farages immigrant background ?  I'm of Irish decent ( dad ) my mum has welsh in her family ? But I consider myself ENGLISH ..I'm sure most of us don't mind people who move to the UK who work and mix among us and integrate into our society ..but when is enough enough ?
And looking at Mr Izard I see a person who isn't in the REAL world ??

[Baychimp]

The Icelandic 200 mile fishing zone did have an impact upon our fishing fleet after the last Cod war. But! that was 40 Bl--dy years ago long before the E U commissioners got there grubby little fingers on legislation. Now,if you catch the wrong sort of fish you have to throw it back.even if it is dead, smaller quotas, days that you have to stay in port tied up. And a Government that rigidly follows the rules. I have seen in France, in the Med the fishing boats come in and everything they have caught is landed from the biggest right down to the smallest tiddler,and then sold on the quayside and prepared and eaten in the local restaurants.Nobody is enforcing the rules in France.Imagine if you can, you have a job in a factory on piece work making goods, and the Management come along and say too you, you are making to many items so we are going to throw some of them away even though they are perfect, and you won't get paid for them. And also because of legislation from Brussels we don't want you to come to work for 4 months every year, this will seriously impact on your yearly income but so what, I'm doing all right Jack.

[morrag]

And that's exactly why quotas were introduced, while there were still some fish left. Regarding the enforcement of the rules, well that's for the government, in this case our government! to manage, and your manufacturing analogy is unrepresentative of the fishing situation, so yet another of the "that's a fact" brigade arguments! sorry, you need to try again, and the Icelandic situation may be old, but its still with us, and the damage to the Arctic and North Sea  fleets long done....Morrag

[Baychimp]

The manufacturing analogy is indicative of the crass laws that are forced upon people who have no recourse to change them. True the Icelandic situation is still with us, but as the fleet in relative terms is small by comparison to the 70's, and that they have diversified to catch more than just fish. Being allowed to make a decent living should be a basic right. As most of the catch is sold to one buyer Iceland Seafood International, an Icelandic company with bases in various European countries and North America it would be in their interest to let our lads fish more. While remaining in EEA and the EFTA Iceland have dropped their bid for EU membership because they want a referendum too.
As for the "that's a fact" brigade, You do seem to be one of those supercilious types. If its not my facts then you are wrong!
Another fact by a Pro Europe MEP this time. In an article, he wrote that he was sitting on a sub committee and they spent the whole day discussing whether a Twix is one portion or two, and what the minimum font size on a packet of chewing gum should be. This is a multi billion Euro swallowing Leviathan. You couldn't make this up, people wouldn't believe you.

[Olds]

I am starting to believe that this subject is getting a little too serious for this forum.
There is enough of it in the media.

[merv]

I am starting to believe that this subject is getting a little too serious for this forum.
There is enough of it in the media.

I agree

[stinkey]

Typical forum then ? Agree to differ,one mans opinion doesn't make him/her right ? Why bother getting heated up over something you cannot change ? 
Has anybody seen a bag full of holes ? Iv put it somewhere safe but can't find it now ?

[digger06]

and calling those of opposing sentiments crude names does little to any ones case, don't you think ..Morrag

I think him (and bono) are pricks for a different reason, I am friends with a guy who set up lighting equipment for both bands, for their shows, I have seen videos on his phone of both hissy fitting because of the lighting being wrong, (despite it being to  the bands specifications), bono in particular delayed a charity do over 24 hours and cost thousands of pounds, Geldof smashed a sound deck in temper, it was nothing much to do with politics,( despite mr Geldof seen on camera calling the out crowd "w*nkers and throwing a few hand gestures which was pretty uncalled for, )


on a side note kylie Minogue is apparently the best person he has worked with, (better arse too)

[Manky Monkey]

Evenin' people.
I've had a couple of complaints about the language, (no, I don't read every single thread, so rely on you lot to self-police yourselves to a certain extent & on the whole, you do a good job ). I know it's an emotive subject & not the kind of stuff we normally discuss here, but just remember we're a family friendly site please.  

That is all. Continue about your business.
-your glorious & magnanimous leader. 

[stinkey]

Fight,fight?  Bundle,bundle ?

[morrag]

You are of course right Mr M, I shall away and await the decision of the electorate on the 23rd, and like Xmas, may you all get what you wish for ..Morrag

[JayJay]

Well I'll repeat what I said nearly two weeks ago,

... I don't want any of us to fall out over it and I hope everyone will still be 'MMM mates' afterwards.

As for your comment Digger:

... kylie Minogue is apparently the best person he has worked with, (better arse too)

I think a lot of men and women agree with you about her derrière!
JJ