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Title: bummers chop project Post by: blair on November 16, 2007, 08:26:11 PM i though i should put something onto the pages . it all began with my brothers trike and an urge . i bought a gpz 550 that was in a frame and had most of a wiring loom . after lugging it back to my work i set about trying to get it going which i thought would be tricky a it had been sat in a field for 4 or 5 years but after a lot of swearing it did indeed fire up ( sort o ) it would only fire on 2 cylinders and that was as for as i got with it. now my intention was to build my own frame and put the engine into there but as luck would have it a hardtail z 550 came onto ebay and with a quick cheeky call a deal was made and in no time it was back in my work , and as it goes it too had been sat for several years since last running but had no wiring so i used the loom of of the gpz and by some strange twist of fate it too would only fire on 2 cylinders. as it goes it would spark on all 4 but then after a couple of engine turns it would only fire on cylinders 2 and 3 so we change the cd ignitor but nope that did nothing. so i thought long and hard , then tried a few wires in different configurations but still only 2 cylinders. so i had a brain wave the gpz and the z block were the same block so the timing gear would be the same right ? WRONG they were different in the fact the z had a mechanical advance mechanism and the gpz a electric one but with a quick dremel and hack saw blade i cut some of the webs out of the way and fitted the gpz timing pick ups into the z and wayhay it was fired on all 4 cylinders. and bloody hell i was releaved .
below is a couple of photos showing the old timing pick ups and the cut out crank case webs and the new gear form the gpz fitted and good to go (http://) Title: Re: the start of my project Post by: mouse on November 16, 2007, 08:54:38 PM :o brave man ;D im glad it worked out for ya m8
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: Ally on November 16, 2007, 09:42:19 PM OK Bummer boy taking my job as reporter :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: blair on November 16, 2007, 09:53:41 PM wellfrikmeivejustbrokenmyketboardssbacebarandcantfixitsoillbidyoufarewell
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: tazet on November 16, 2007, 10:04:09 PM ::)
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: Ally on November 16, 2007, 10:10:27 PM Ok bummer I've got your photos :) :) :) :)(http://)
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on November 18, 2007, 11:36:14 AM keep it up m8 always someone worse off :)
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: blair on November 18, 2007, 06:32:22 PM keep what up valleysboy are you talking about my chop or my keyboard?
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on November 20, 2007, 03:43:28 AM chop i assumed
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: blair on November 21, 2007, 07:27:06 PM ok id thought id better check cause i was not complaining about my chop although it did almost end up in the skip.
Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: blair on January 20, 2008, 12:10:14 PM thought i should add a little update to my project , since my last post i have built my jig ( plans came from chopper builders hand book) excellent site , set my frame on it and set about loosing the funny bit in the frame
(http://) i cut the section out and with some pipe that was donated from a friend i let in the new bit , the tube had to be turned town as the frame is 25mm pipe and the nearest stock pipe i could get was 26.5 dia . i also tapered the pipe end to allow for as much weld coverage as possible. (http://) Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: blair on January 20, 2008, 12:14:45 PM i had already welded the original engine mounts onto my jig but had to make new ones due to the cross bar being lower, so i made templates from card board and then cut them out and checked them before welding up proper .
(http://) (http://) Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: blair on January 20, 2008, 12:18:26 PM (http://)
(http://) Title: Re: start of my chop project Post by: blair on January 20, 2008, 12:19:52 PM i tried with the block in to make sure that they lined up as i didnt want to have to cut them back of again
(http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on January 20, 2008, 12:35:15 PM Looking good matey. :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 20, 2008, 01:35:21 PM ive also change the rake of the head to 45 deg but i have no photos on this pc to post and started to cut my new yolks
(http://) (http://) not finished yet but as i am doing them during work hours i can only do a little at a time Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on January 20, 2008, 01:58:59 PM nice you can do it in work :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 20, 2008, 02:35:01 PM im the one who does all the work on my gaffers trike so he cant moan too much as he needs me more than i need him . i dont touch it if we are busy but we are generally 2 weeks behind the fabricators as they have to build the clamps we line with rubber and there is always a lull after christmas as they are awaiting weather windows offshore to continue projects or they have ran out of money . i would probably have been further on with it but i have been working in my wife beauty therapists since hogmanay.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on January 20, 2008, 02:50:10 PM beauty therapist,bike builder wot ever next :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 20, 2008, 02:56:58 PM i would actually be called a rubber man but i like to think i can turn my hands to anything , but i was moving walls and pluming more buildering than therapy if you like , not that i couldnt wax a fluff or two but it does kinda change the way you see em . ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on January 20, 2008, 03:01:00 PM PMSL
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 21, 2008, 12:47:50 PM just got back to work and found some photos of my head , i was lucky in the fact i had 2 frames so i cut the original one up completely so i wouldnt wreck the frame and i snipped the other one off then machined it down to get rid of weld ect ( you can see the black marks were the frame was originaly welded ) . used an angle finder to set the jig and then got a freind to TIG weld it , i can do MIG but never tried TIG so it was safer to let him do it .
(http://) (http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 21, 2008, 12:49:57 PM (http://)
(http://) so i ended up at 45 deg rake 8) from 60 , dont know how this will work but its too late now :'( Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on January 21, 2008, 11:17:43 PM Very tidy work matey.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 23, 2008, 09:10:26 PM a quick up date : its all gone a bit pete tong . had finished cutting out the yolks on the bandsaw and smoothing them down to final size so i thought i would set them on the forks and they dont bloody fit , turn out that the vertical drill i used had a dodgey shaft and as a result was wondering off by about 1 mm so the holes for the forks arnt true to one another in any way , so with the last of my material i have bolted the 2 yolks together and a machine shop ( who did my jig cones ) are going to CNC the holes nd leave me to cut the shape out again. cant cock this up as its the last of the material .
dont know if any one cares or even reads this but frik me why does it always happen to me . sorry rant over Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Ally on January 23, 2008, 09:19:50 PM bummer :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on January 23, 2008, 09:24:09 PM Don't worry, it's not just you mate. It's usually me.
When we had the slabs made for Flap's & Simon's trikes a couple of years ago, the machine shop messed up. Instead of producing 2 sets of the same design but different measurements to suit the different forks used, they knocked out 2 identical sets. Oh poo. Another set had to be made, but all was not lost, cos the spares eventually found their way to my new trike build. ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on January 23, 2008, 09:29:12 PM good luck on that set of material :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 23, 2008, 09:49:45 PM i think if i can find the one that took a flyer i may be able to use them as temp yolks whilst i rough up the final lay layout . i would say in your case MM it worked out well as your yolks look well good . i was never going for a radical shape just to know i had made them myself would have been enough. its just the usual thing that goes wrong for me as i am the original JONA .
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on January 23, 2008, 09:59:16 PM Honestly mate, you wouldn't believe the cock ups & wastage I've created over the years.
My yokes started out exactly the same shape as yours. Amazing what a handfile & several months of sweat & cursing can achieve. Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on January 23, 2008, 10:09:24 PM dont get me wrong ive got some ideas in my head if they are any good or possible to acheive is another question, but i started with a chopper as its what i had to hand and i figured what i learn from this i can apply to my trike when i get it started but i do have a z650 chop to do as well before unless i can figure out how to chain drive the rear axel ,maybe using a quad rear end or something . but that will have to wait
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: reliantman on January 23, 2008, 10:24:59 PM Don't worry about it, mate.
When I first started bending bits of frame I did two sides, and then realised that I had bent two right hand sides. I went on to do it properly after some cursing, and as Andy said, the spare bits are never wasted. Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on March 07, 2008, 10:46:03 AM thought as i had stolen hornets thread i should update my progress. since last time i have managed to build my yolks and for something that a machine shop could turn out in a day mine took bloody ages. after cocking up the fisrt set i decided that i would bolt the 2 together before boring any holes and this worked well but i found the holes were to neat and at .9 mm under would need honed out . i used a cheap thre legged one but had to make my own stones as they wore out pretty quickly
(http://) once i got the holes large enough and tried them i had to counterbore the pinch holes his sounds easy but i ended up taking them round my to my mate to do as my pillar drill just vibrated all over the place and at the cost of a pint i was happy (http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on March 07, 2008, 10:54:31 AM i used a bandsaw to cut the basic shape and the pinch slit although this almost went tits up as the guides used in machine were wrong causing a wonky cut on the test peice , once that was fixed i tapped the pinch bolt holes and hey presto
(http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on March 07, 2008, 11:39:50 PM Nice. Very nice.
God there's some annoyingly talented people here. :P Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on March 08, 2008, 12:21:49 PM yeah yer right there im starting to feel my humble existance here is futile :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on March 08, 2008, 02:10:49 PM How do you think I feel -I have to make everything by hand with hammers & files. No power supply in my lock-up, no power tools & no talent. :(
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on March 08, 2008, 02:45:10 PM lets go hide in da shed then :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on March 08, 2008, 02:51:04 PM ;D
Taz & I are off to see FLC later to collect her girder forks. We'll be away for the weekend so I'm trusting you lot not to break anything here while we're gone! ;) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on April 11, 2008, 05:42:22 PM slow progress since last post , didnt like how big the top bolt cap was so i machined it a little deeper and then made a new cap , to keep the cap small i bought a couple of small mill cutters and set them into the bench drill and just moved the cap around. its not a professional job but it'll do .
i also made the risers from stock bar bored through a 23 mm hole through sideways and then the mounting bolt and pinch bolt holes from underneath so they would be hidden from view , means i have to set the bars up a little differently from normal but i think it looks better then cap screws on top (http://) (http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on April 11, 2008, 11:08:19 PM Very tidy. It's definitely worth making that extra effort isn't it.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: texon on April 11, 2008, 11:40:40 PM Hey Bummer that looks realy good 8) like the the way the nuts are done ;) and if you hadnt made the mistakes it prob wouldnt have looked the way it does now and without the problems you learn nothing so keep after perfection one day we might all be so lucky ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on April 22, 2008, 01:05:32 PM further update
ally has been following the man in back street and said i have to hide my coils in the tank , i was unsure but i gave in and did it , not quite as good a job as his but as the tank is tiny anyways i didnt want to take up to much room or i would only get 10 mile per tank . i also didnt like the strut bar from the down tube to the back tube so i fabricated a cover plate that i can remove . this will allow me to hide the electrical connectors to the head (http://) (http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on April 22, 2008, 01:07:33 PM (http://)
(http://) next on the hitlist is to convert my backwheel from drum to disc ??? Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on April 22, 2008, 05:14:52 PM Some nice metalwork there. Very tidy solution.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 06, 2008, 02:45:00 PM after some more Saturdays i ve got a bit further. since last post i have converted my back wheel to disc and i think it has been a success but i wont know until i fit the caliper and find out how if the run of is noticable through the pedal , I'm going to fit the caliper in between the down tubes not underneath kind'o like the fancy pro jobs but probably not as good. also managed to get hold of new mudguard for the back , its actually a metal trailer mudguard and i had to buy a pair but a 20.00 i thought it was a pretty good deal . i am not sure if to cut it down a lot further which might mean i can get away without a brace bar but get soaked if it rains i might chop the second one down and run a pole on it.
(http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on May 06, 2008, 03:11:15 PM A Pole? A gentleman of Polish descent?
Looking great there matey. Personal opinion? I'd chop the guard down to a point at 90 degrees to the seat rail & use a curving strut on either side. I thought it was a fancy pro job! ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 06, 2008, 04:37:02 PM no not that kind of pole i meant the kind that girls with big b**bs dance around ( not that i would now mutch about that ;) . i was unsure about the struts cause if i cut it down it does stop the flexing but i suppose it depends if i mount the tail light on the guard or on the frame . as for calling it a pro job maybe if a blind man with no fingers was building it. i think shed build is more apt ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on May 06, 2008, 09:54:40 PM good job there mate,all nice and neat. what happens next,has it got to go for test to make sure its safe n legal for the road. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on May 06, 2008, 09:58:21 PM That's a big ol' shed you've got there then -jeez, you've even got room for a forklift in there. :D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 07, 2008, 08:01:30 AM thanks hornet , ive still a fair bit to do , i think ! :'( theres the back brake caliper , pegs and levers , brake lines and switches , front mudguard , rear lights and reg plate mounting , indicators , mirrors , final checks before the frame goes for coating ( and i know what coulor too ) tyres , chain and guard , peice to cover the sharp edge of the battery box , the wring loom to pass through the frame . and then maybe mot. MM ok we will call it an industrial shed build if that helps. i restored a 2.8 capri in a lock up once and it was about the size of your one so this shed is excellent to work in although slighty errie in the middle of winter at night.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 18, 2008, 04:11:06 PM just about finished the rear brake set up , bought a master cylinder for ebay for a tenner and just had to modify a lever i had lying around was originally wanting to use one a newer style one from a bandit or something but due to me being a short arse i had to locate the pegs so as not to loose any leverage for the gear shift . , not tried it yet but it looks good to me ( mind you i am quite blind) also made the rear engine mount i tried to keep it the same angle as the frame for aesthetics , on the other side i set the chain guard in place and next is a chain tensioner
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 18, 2008, 04:11:51 PM (http://)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on May 18, 2008, 04:36:17 PM love the style of the frame mate.Very similar to mine, but mine has a single front down tube and no rear tensioner as im,e gonna use some kind of spring mounted jockey wheel.Im,e just trying to raise a bit of cash to get a big single cylinder engine in it{xt 600 or dr 600 750 800 yes yes yes}.Just bought a sprocket carrier off ebay for a tenner,and am slowly gathering bits n bobs ,just have,nt got the room in the garage with the hornet and the scrot.Got any vaccancies at your place so i can do my project in that nice unclutered workshop ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: madron on May 18, 2008, 07:47:26 PM that is lookin so cool plain n simple everything just flows so well bet ya cant wait to have a blast
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 19, 2008, 08:56:38 AM cheers is good to know that it looks ok from someone other than me ;D . your not wrong madron but once i have built it up i have to strip it all down to get coated and i dont want to feed the wiring loom through untill thats done , so i cant test is out :( but theres a couple of rallies up our way i would like to have it on the road for at least one of them . if you fancy a job then yes i could arrange a little space for you H6 but its a bit of a comute on a 6 am start . i would like to have used a single but the 550 was what i had available for cheap , my freind had a dr650 and he thought it was a frikin ace block untill it seized but they dont seam easy to get hold of ( engines i mean ) . the rear tensioners are not used as the caliper is in a fixed location so i also will have to make a chain tensioner so it will be intersting to see the differance between what you come up with compared to me.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on May 19, 2008, 06:29:42 PM Couldn't you mount the caliper on a slotted bracket to give you the adjustment to use the chain adjusters?
Remind me again- what's going on with the tube above the battery box? Looks like it's got the engine mounts on one end, is welded to the vertical seat post in the middle & picks up the mudguard mount at the back? That's unusual. Madron's right -simple & clean lines. Nice. Very nice. ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 20, 2008, 12:19:55 PM thanks MM, yes i could put the caliper onto slotted brackets but am usure how messy it would look but may be worth a couple of tak welds to see . i dont know how they do it on the fancy show harleys as they dont show you in the glossy photos how the chain is tensioned but i have got 2 ideas and one of them is just plain silly http://www.renold.com/Products/TransmissionChainSprockets/Roll_Ring.asp and the other is to use a motocrosser spring loaded one and i dont want to coat the frame untill im sure there is no more welding to do . and i may have to if i go for this idea. the rear engine mount is pretty much as you said it was the only way to do it without looking totaly stupid and it gives an extra mount for the rear guard so i can put on a really short one if i want ( i like to keep my options open )
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on May 20, 2008, 01:56:05 PM I've used 'crosser chain tensioners on hardtail chops before with no problems. The flat rubber blade type seem more rugged than the skateboard wheel variety.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on May 20, 2008, 09:44:01 PM hi m8 its me again.Obviously your way ahead of my build,as all iv'e got is a frame built with no mountings for engine seeing as i have'nt got one,but iv'e got some idea of what the colours gonna be if i get it done.2 variations of a theme. No1,black gloss frame with satin copper tank and mudgaurds. No2,bright silver gloss frame with satin hot rod red tank and mudgaurds.Wanted to get it down here and now cuz if you do something similar and mines done next year u might say im'e copying ya.They say imitations the highest form of flaterry lol ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: brock on May 20, 2008, 11:09:23 PM " I've used 'crosser chain tensioners on hardtail chops before with no problems. The flat rubber blade type seem more rugged than the skateboard wheel variety. "
Does no one use a third sprocket to tension chains ? quite common on industrial and agricultural machines, small spring loaded or screw plunger type arm with a small sprocket engaged in the chain, also helps as a guide on longer runs. Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 21, 2008, 08:18:04 AM well H6 originally i was going for a chrome frame and gune metal tank and guards but i spoke to a chromer and he says he could do it for £300 and moneys not something i have lots of but i do have a freind with his own powder coaters so i am going to get the frame blasted and then clear laquered he recons it will come out a dark gun metal ish colour and my wife says due to the colour of the seat i have to go for a metalic bronze / copper . who am i to argue ??? ;D. but i will tell everyone it was my idea.
ive order a crosser tensioner but found the cam chain tensioner from a grananda or something . i think brock this is kinda what you mean. but i forgot to save it and cant find it now. (http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: brock on May 21, 2008, 10:27:42 PM that's the sort of thing, I've no experience of these things (chain tensioners) but it just seemed a more elegant solution
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on May 21, 2008, 10:36:22 PM that would be perfect if u could find a way of fixing it on a pivot and spring loading tuther end so it will have a bit of bounce in it while keeping the chain in line and tensioned
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on May 22, 2008, 10:34:02 AM yep sounds like a plan but i can find it on ebay so i may have to come up with another idea :P
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Ally on June 05, 2008, 06:27:12 PM Any more up dates on the chop bummer been on the rig for 2 1/2 weeks and no up date :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on June 06, 2008, 08:24:23 AM yep there has been some but not mutch , mostly trying to nock up a chain tensioner its now fitted and im onto the rear light and reg mount , sat the stainless pipes on to it and i dont have much ground clearance max 1.5" . do have some pics but no time to put them on. you must be back tuesday ?
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on June 06, 2008, 12:20:04 PM ok after lots of friking about this is what i came up with as i couldnt find that thing i showed in an earlier post , i think it another fine product from the super squirel design studio , this is the 4th attempt and it seams to work but i wont know until the bike actually moves under its own steam.
(http://) (http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: texon on June 06, 2008, 02:37:30 PM looking good there Bummer ;D another step closer to the maiden voyage in the sunshine if we get any ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on June 06, 2008, 02:48:23 PM Very tidy.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Ally on June 06, 2008, 06:35:42 PM Yep. home on Tuesday for 4 weeks. That chain tensioner looks OK will have a good look when I come around .
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on June 07, 2008, 09:59:54 PM just perfect mate,nowt wrong with that design
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on June 09, 2008, 10:02:18 AM i think Ive already missed the day of sun that was scheduled for this year texon but overcast would do. as for closer i was on holiday so missed a week of tinkering >:( . hornet if it works ill sell you the blue prints at the extremely cheap rate of a + karma rating ;D . i am going to have some ground clearance problems also as i have loosely fitted my pipe and have 1.5" to spare. nut this will only come to issue if i hit a speed bump but hey thats what pavements are for right :P
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: texon on June 09, 2008, 11:59:17 AM I like you style Bummer worth a plus karma ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on June 28, 2008, 08:21:17 PM this wasn't supposed to a polishing job and as much as it looks like i did , i didnt actually do that much . just paint stripper and a wee sup of autosol . the first image shows the fake caisson cover that hides the straight edge of the battery box. further update as of yesterday i got my parts back from the powder coaters , everything coated for a bottle of glava. no photos yet as i have just spent all today cutting up my wiring loom and trying to feed it through the backbone and ive got to say i really hate WIRING mainly as i know im going to get it wrong. photos to follow
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on June 28, 2008, 08:52:01 PM Looking rather splendid there chap. Must say, I do like that fitted battery box. It's one of those simple things that makes such a difference. Suprising how many people spend months creating a swoopy, curvy frame, then stick a boxy, angular leccy box in it that stands out like a sore thumb. That's gonna look great. I've forgotten -what colour are you going for on the frame/tank/guards?
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on June 28, 2008, 09:05:38 PM well can i ask if you have signed the official secrets act ? . nothing to do with me but thought id ask , wll i was going for a chrome frame but the coater said the frame would have to be perfect and £300 would see it done ,but as im skint and i have a mate whos owns a powder coaters we came up with blasted white metal with clear lacquer , it looks bloody good but its very easy to chip and as its the first time he's done it he got carried away with the powder and thinks he could perfect the look in time , the tank and guards are dark metallic aluminum although they are lighter than the frame , i will post pics on monday when i get back to work.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on June 28, 2008, 11:16:34 PM Actually yes, I have signed it. When I started at the Post Office 20 years ago you had to. Nowadays you don't even have to speak English to work there.
When I began work on my current trike frame, sooo long ago now, I thought about doing it in lacquered bare metal, with maybe a hint of green in it, to show there was no filler used & all the smoothed off joints were done in weld & lots & lots of hand filing. In the end I went for straight green powder-coat cos it's tough, easily repaired & above all, cheap. Sounds interesting. Looking forward to seeing it. :) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on June 29, 2008, 11:44:17 AM hurry up and get to work then ;D sounds very interesting colour choices
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on June 30, 2008, 02:31:20 PM sorry VB but sometimes a man needs time for other activities , anyways heres a couple of phots that unfortunately dont really show the colours as they have just come out grey and they aint. so you will have to just use your imagination as i am a crap photographer , and i have found out also a crap solderer after 12 hours of extending my loom i hate wiring
will up date as i go cheers Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on June 30, 2008, 03:11:23 PM Nice. We're gonna use a similar grey to your frame on Taz's trike -if we ever get time to build it. :(
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Ally on June 30, 2008, 04:45:15 PM Yep nice one bummer. Hurry up so you can start my one next ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on June 30, 2008, 06:23:04 PM Nice. We're gonna use a similar grey to your frame on Taz's trike -if we ever get time to build it. :( as i said MM its not grey and if you say it is im gona cry :'( , its metallic alloy and white metal sorry just a bit tetchy due to the bloody wiring dont worry you have the rest of your life to build your trike then get yourself a doctor who regenaration to do taz's one and the car ;D see so simple when you think about it Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: tazet on June 30, 2008, 06:29:56 PM :P
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on June 30, 2008, 07:19:48 PM It's a very nice gre...metallic alloy.
Trike's taken several lifetimes already. Just got in from the shed where I've been filing welds on the exhaust system. Smoothed out the high spots, now I've got to go back & fill in the low spots. It's made from 5 sections of 1 3/4" tube already & I'm only halfway through it. As there's no power in my rented garage in Basingstoke, I have to cut n shut pieces of pipe, mark their positions, bring them the 40 miles back home with me, weld them up, then take them back to see if they still fit. Getting there -very slowly. I've got my wiring to sort out yet -you're not inspiring confidence! Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 01, 2008, 07:38:08 AM can you not get a lock up closer to your abode ? , anyways you must have already done the wiring on flapsters so at least you have some experience . this is my first go and third attempt :P
40 miles is like a day out up here. do you take a packed lunch ? ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 01, 2008, 03:50:00 PM There's usually an emergency cake or two in the car just in case.
I've had that lock-up for quite a few years now. Costs me 8 quid a week to rent. It's in the service yard behind a parade of shops, a chippy & a pub so quite handy for lunch! Touch wood, I've only ever found evidence of someone trying to break in once in the years I've been there & that was probably just kids. They didn't get past the 3 padlocks on the door. If they had the trike's chained to a steel ring concreted into the floor. Haven't got anywhere at home to put the trike yet so I'll keep it on till it's finished then once I've got it safely home I'll hand the keys back to the local housing authority. I didn't wire Flap's trike. Our mate Reg did, then I think various bits were re-wired at various times. Wiring means absolutely nothing to me. The local hotrod shop, Namco, has a murky glass jar on the counter labelled "Replacement smoke for Lucas wiring looms". :D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: BikerGran on July 01, 2008, 06:55:34 PM That reminds me of this treatise someone sent me about auto electrics - reckon it's spot on!
Quote Auto electrics Electricity isn't caused by cold fusion, that’s nuts, and forget all that nonsense about magnetic fields and the flow of electrons along a conductor, for it is just that; nonsense, a myth put about by auto electricians to support their lavish lifestyle at your expense. The reality is ... smoke! When you think about it, it all becomes startlingly obvious – smoke makes all electrical things function, if smoke escapes, the component stops working. For example, the last time you had to grovel under the car to replace the starter motor, didn’t it start smoking before it ceased working? - of course! The wiring loom on your car carries smoke from one device to another, pumped around the system by the alternator, and when a wire springs a leak it lets all the smoke out and everything stops. Starter motors require lots of smoke to work properly, so they have very thick wires going to them. The battery stores up lots of smoke dissolved in battery acid, which is why they were once called accumulators, until it became apparent that we unwashed home mechanics would twig to the secret. Naturally, if you try to dissolve too much smoke in your battery it will escape through those little holes in the top, which is why those batteries with sealed tops explode when they get too much smoke in them. With regard to Joseph Lucas and his wrongfully sullied reputation, why is he so maligned? Why are Lucas components more likely to leak smoke than, say, Bosch? Because Lucas is British, and all British made things leak. British motorcycles leak oil, British sports cars leak rain, British brakes leak fluid, and British governments leak military secrets. So naturally, British electrical components leak smoke! Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 01, 2008, 07:11:49 PM ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Ally on July 02, 2008, 07:26:59 AM Well thing's must be bad. I'm helping bummer with the wiring ( He need's the help of his big bro ;) ;))
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on July 02, 2008, 07:41:59 AM like the look of the paintwork Bummer ,camera's can sometimes let you down :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Ally on July 04, 2008, 08:33:23 PM Let's get wired. Three days and I think we got there :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 04, 2008, 09:39:07 PM Oh..my..God! :o
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on July 05, 2008, 09:57:02 AM :o im so not looking forward to mine ???
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 07, 2008, 07:39:08 AM dont mean to sound like it was a nightmare but it was or should i say is as i still havent finished yet but the good news is all the wires now run down the backbone and last support and looks as neat as i could get it , i still have to fiddle with the battery box but nothing to serious and then test the loom . it has been checked each time i change bits cause we found a lot o wires were defunct so cut them out ie : park light , oilpressure warning , lights for the clocks stand kill switch . it would have been nice to have know these were not required before pulling 34 wires through and soldering them all back together ( cheers ally ) . hopefully i should be finished with the battery box today leaving the heads up end and i have a plan for that as well.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 11, 2008, 12:01:37 PM ok i think i now have a very good understanding of the smoke / wire system thats now fitted to my machine . have just finished grafting a set of bandit bar controls into the loom and it all seams to work just got to tidy up the cables and once the forks are fitted set the wiring in place. the only thing that doesnt work is the front brake wires , dont know if this is because i accidently cut them so i will have to extened the rear switch wires back up to the head but that should be it . fitted my ignition and was well happy with the placement and that it worked . just been to the powder coaters and picked up my wheels which is handy as my new tyres turned up today as well and just to make it perfect im getting my tank and guards back today as well ;D. only snag is i wont get any tinkering done as i have to work at the wife beauty therapists :( .
will post updates as i go , cheers Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 11, 2008, 12:02:02 PM (http://)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: pie on July 11, 2008, 03:45:08 PM Looking good mate! it looks like it's coming together now, all downhill from now eh? wiring is a nightmare and i'm having trouble getting my head round it at the moment but it sounds like you've cracked it.
I sorted the petrol tap problem on the XS chop now but thanks for the offer. Just out of interest, what is that trike in the background? looks interesting and it seems to have the same wheels as I have on mine but with centre caps, where did you get them and have you got a pair you wanna sell me (centre caps not wheels)? Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 11, 2008, 04:27:43 PM And are we gonna get a write-up on that trike? ;D
Looking very professional there mate. Could be a pro shop built bike -you put our Reliant efforts to shame. Have I missed something somewhere along the line? What's the ally cover that appears to have the ignition switch mounted in it? Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 14, 2008, 07:36:43 PM hi pie, the wheels are from a vitara i8 think they were from the wide body kit one but cannot confirm this , we have just had cones made to finish them off, i wil post a pic for you so you can see em better but no i dont have any spares , sorry .
MM the trike is my gaffers and although we have done some bit to it we didnt actually do the conversion , i can tell you its a virago 750 and its a vitara axel that been used , the lad that made it sellsw them on ebay quite often and he seams to use the same back end on them all so i suppose hes got a way he likes to do em just like yourself. i will ask if he wants to do a rite up or if its ok for me to do . as for the ally cover was cut from sheet and filed to shape to cover the straight edge of the battery box and i used a spare ignition caisson from a gpz into which i thought was a good place to hide the ignition . i have now got everything to finish it off just a case of putting it all together. the smoke machine was a nightmare by the way Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 14, 2008, 07:44:19 PM Ahh, it's the GPZ casing that confused me. Looks good. ;)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 16, 2008, 11:04:47 AM thought it was a bit different than having it on the headstock and was a neater way to hide the awful truth ???
pie , hope the photos below help with your quest , we made alloy cones to finish them of and i think they look cool enough Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 16, 2008, 11:05:26 AM wheel
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 16, 2008, 11:54:11 AM And are we gonna get a write-up on that trike? ;D Looking very professional there mate. Could be a pro shop built bike -you put our Reliant efforts to shame. Have I missed something somewhere along the line? What's the ally cover that appears to have the ignition switch mounted in it? just spoke to the gaffer and he says that hes ok with a write up for the site but we are arguing as to whom is going to write it , he has a higher grade in english and i cant spell so i figured it was a open and shut case as for pro build if you are refering to the chop then i am pleased you think so but its not anyware near your trike quality , maybe next project though ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 16, 2008, 02:29:58 PM I always say the write ups don't have to be Pulitzer prize winners. Just write it as if you were describing it to a mate who'd never seen it before. Up to a dozen nice quality photos, preferably somewhere reasonably photogenic & including one of the owner with it, plus close ups of any interesting details, especially if you mention them in the text, & we'll do the rest. ;)
Love those wheel spinners ;D I was wondering what the MSVA man would make of them, but as they're inside the line of the tyres you'd probably get away with them. Your build's much more precision engineered than ours. Ours have more of a hand crafted look about them, cos everything's hacksawed & handfiled rather than engineered -mainly cos we don't have access to the necessary tools or the skills to use 'em. Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 17, 2008, 08:41:54 PM got some stuff done today . finished the wiring to the switches got the forks polished up and fitted after finding the air valve thingy. also got the wheels on . the front has to cone back off as i need to go to the brakers and get a speedo cable to fi the drive and get a new set of discs. as for the back end it has to cone off too so i can grind down the mudguard strengthening because i made a bit of a misscalc , when i set it up originally i used a worn tyre which may have been the incorrect thing to use . but hey ho .
also a bit of a bugger though as i just broke a stud of the bottom of my seat so i will have to strip it and fix it . may get it fired up the morn though ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: andbolt0 on July 17, 2008, 08:58:28 PM looking good very nice
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: tazet on July 17, 2008, 09:04:02 PM I really like that Bummer. Very very nice 8)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on July 17, 2008, 09:07:14 PM its looking really good mate.Ive still made no progress at all.The basic frame is done ,but trying to get some money together to get an engine is holding me back.As soon as i start to save it something crops up and i have to dip into the fund.One day,one day
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 17, 2008, 09:20:33 PM many thanks. there will be a big smile on my face when i get it started again , oh and tazet its ok i haven,t nicked your colour scheme its metallic alluminium not grey.
H6 i thought you were away to canada or some ware ? any ways tazet just posted links to heaps of engines on ebay , but my advice would be to get one with full wiring loom . i managed to make a basic ignition loom to get the engine started but to hell with trying to make one that includes lights and stuff. Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on July 18, 2008, 02:53:16 PM hi m8. its not canada,its california ime going to. i dont go out until the 2nd week in august,and will be away for 2 weeks......dirty job but someones gotta do it :D :D.thanks for the advice about the loom. i followed that thread last night about the engines on ebay and i think ive found one. not my original choice,which was a big single,but instead i might be getting a bandit 600 engine.Theres a breakers at walsall thats selling a couple of em in my price range(cheap),so gonna try and contact them to see if i can have a look at em before i purchase one.I know i was trying to hold out for a big single but couldnt find one anywhere locally, and i think to be honest with the size of the frame it may have looked a little lost inside it.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 19, 2008, 08:00:09 AM hi h6 , sorry i knew it was somewhere on that side of the globe but couldnt remember exactly , anyhows nothing wrong with a bandit block ive got a bandit that my bro genorously gave me for doing the brakes on his trike , never let him or me down yet and you should be able to get a loom for it no problem at all. i would put the thumper block into your next built that way you could start with the block and built the frame to suit it .
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 30, 2008, 08:58:36 PM just a wee update. ive just taken my chop for its maiden test run around the works car park. was worried about the steering with the trail on the steering but its fine , only just got to fit the exhausts properly , fit and bled the brake lines and connect the brake light switches and fit mirrors then its mot time . so ill be taking it to the saints and sinners rally , yeh hey ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 30, 2008, 10:57:48 PM You shall go to the ball :D
I'm insanely jealous mate. You've built a tip top show quality bike in the time it's taken me to make half a mudguard for my trike. Git. >:( So a rally report & a bike write-up soon then? ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on July 31, 2008, 10:36:00 AM yep no problem at all MM . as for show quality i think not . The photos make it look better than it is and i think i could say "could do better" , so next one may be show quality , anyways the boys at my work think it looks like the bike in the great escape ???
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on July 31, 2008, 11:18:41 AM You're too modest Sir.
And your workmates are Muppets. :P Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 06, 2008, 09:17:12 PM well its all done know and its mot time on friday , i shall let you know how it gets on. ???
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on August 06, 2008, 09:38:00 PM Fingers well & truly crossed for you. ;)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: willy on August 08, 2008, 10:34:42 AM hope all goes well for ya
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 08, 2008, 11:58:40 AM FAIL >:( >:( >:( >:(
not that bad though :) headlight not showing a patern front brake binding ( wasnt when it went in - was when it came out ) front brake lever has inadequate travel ? exhaust system to loud front disc worn ( advisory ) only bugger is that i have no time now to get these things sorted ??? Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on August 08, 2008, 12:47:11 PM That's a bugger about the time, but not a bad result mate for a complete new build, created from thin air & a pile of parts. ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 08, 2008, 01:43:22 PM thanks manky you lknow how to make people feel better. ;D
ive change the headlight, unseized the offending calliper and got materials to make new baffel ( when i dont know ) that just leaves brake pads and to bleed the system again to infinity and beyond ??? (http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on August 08, 2008, 02:46:36 PM That's a quality bit o' kit! Lovely.
Nothing more rewarding than creating a beautiful sculpture like that, then being able to jump on it & ride off into the sunset! Congratulations! ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: BikerGran on August 08, 2008, 02:49:04 PM That's a bummer, Bummer!
Sorry, just had to! ;) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 08, 2008, 04:36:39 PM lmao ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: hornet6 on August 08, 2008, 09:13:12 PM very nice mr bummer.How did u get the engine so clean? Has it been professionally polished or did u do it yourself?
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: BikerGran on August 08, 2008, 09:17:16 PM That certainly is a thing of beauty! Hope you're keeping the plain paint, what colour is it? That neutral sort of colour really shows off the bike!
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: tbone on August 08, 2008, 09:45:29 PM That certainly is a thing of beauty! Hope you're keeping the plain paint, what colour is it? That neutral sort of colour really shows off the bike! I think we established that its NOT grey ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: texon on August 08, 2008, 10:10:46 PM sweet as a shiny new botton like the ignition placement but watch you don't snap the key with your foot been there done that ;)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on August 08, 2008, 11:20:46 PM Looks grey to me.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: VALLEYSBOY on August 09, 2008, 05:51:07 AM Looks grey to me. PMSL ;DTitle: Re: bummers chop project Post by: BikerGran on August 09, 2008, 10:04:09 AM I think we established that its NOT grey ;D Well whatever it is, it's a colour I'd normally not like on a bike but it looks great on that one! Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: lunatic on August 09, 2008, 01:27:16 PM Thats lookin really nice. Love the finish on it. 8)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Baby Duck on August 09, 2008, 04:20:19 PM I'm no expert :P and being a woman I like pretty shiny things and that sure is pretty and shiny
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 10, 2008, 12:46:47 PM did someone say GREY . ;D . i cleaned the engine but all i used was paint stripper and a wee bit of autosal. baffels no made and working dont know if its quite enough yet but will book it back in on monday and hope the new pads turn up before then .
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 12, 2008, 08:11:24 PM F***********HELL why is it that everything goes to plan and then something stuffs it all up at the last minute , the bike goes back in on friday for a resit and i cannot get the brakes to bleed , after every possible way i know to bleed them they are still spongy . and as per bloody usual i have had to help the wife at her shop this week so have only very limited time to get them done , my mates coming down after work tomorrow with a vacuum bleeder but we only have an hour to get them done . BUGGER BUGGER BUGGER AND F**K .i may have to nick the master cylinder and hoses from allys bandit
sorry but man am i p**** off ok the vain in my head has returned to normal sorry Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on August 12, 2008, 10:24:17 PM Not more brake bleeding problems! We're having enough trouble trying to sort out Donut's brakes!
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: lunatic on August 12, 2008, 10:26:42 PM I think spend the few hours you have nicking the bandit bits, then sort the chop brakes once you have a ticket on it.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 13, 2008, 08:01:08 AM already removed them in preparation lunatic
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 13, 2008, 02:38:05 PM well bugger me backwards . turns out the master cylinder had a bust seal though i got it whent to bleed the sytem after fitting the bandit clinder and one of the callipers had s leek as well , so now i have a single sided braking system that works . ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 13, 2008, 07:00:16 PM after my fizzer and managing to sort the brakes out heres how it finally looks
(http://) Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 13, 2008, 07:03:01 PM from this to to that
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on August 13, 2008, 08:27:10 PM Bet it feels great to have all that work finally paying off. Something to be very proud of Sir.
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: pie on August 13, 2008, 09:26:27 PM Certainly is a tidy looking chop!
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: blair on August 15, 2008, 12:59:10 PM thanks guys
and it now has an mot ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Ally on August 15, 2008, 01:31:10 PM Well done Bummer just in time for the rally . Now you have time to take my trike for it's mot HaHa :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: andbolt0 on August 15, 2008, 06:06:19 PM cool looking chop enjoy as much as poss
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: tazet on August 15, 2008, 10:12:27 PM That's fantastic Bummer and the bike is awesome. Enjoy ;D
Title: Re: bummers chop project Post by: Manky Monkey on August 15, 2008, 10:34:12 PM Enjoy -& send us a write up!
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