Manky Monkey Motors

Just because i haven`t done much on my trike build for a while don`t mean i`ve been a lazy git, oh ok then, maybe  ;D.
Let me introduce Ellie.
She`a a 1952 Lister D type engine.

thats smart . my dads got a "petter" mounted on a dolly and a lad near us has about six engines steam and deisel that he takes to shows . do you show yours  :P

Very pretty TB does she run?

The Lister D is a fairly common engine on the stationary engine circuit, there are a few reasons for this, firstly, production of this engine ran from 1926 to 1964 and in that time 250,000 units were made in different specs, so there are still plenty around in various conditions. Secondly, they are simple. There is really nothing to them, a single cylinder engine means one piston, 2 valves fitted in a simple head, the most basic carb ever and a magneto to spark the plug, and thats the reason for getting her.

Blair, not yet.....only just finished the rebuild. I plan on getting something for her to run... more on that tomorrow  ;)
Doc, yes she does! starts easier than i thought she would with only one teething issue, a small leak from the fuel line connection. I pinched that up and we are A1.

Kool, something to tow behind the trike then. ;D

Or drive it!!!! :D :D

Clive

i may pinch the design of your trolley and show me dad as his dolly isnt very good and nips your fingers if you catch it wrong , nice engine be good if you had it working something , everyshow ive been to they are running but not actualy doing anything , even if it was a basic windmill it would be good

When I worked on a farm when I was young - oh yes, in the dim and distant past! - we had an electric motor to run the milking machine.  But we also had powercuts.  So when we had powercuts, we just fuelled up the old engine - I spect it was very similar to that - pulled the cord, and away she went!  Not used for months on end, sometimes over a year, and I don't remember it ever letting us down.

I do like that TB, but that's never the motor they put in the Lister Jags. of the 50's is it? only kidding', honest, I know they had more than one cylinder!!! Nadolig Llawen pawb, Morrag( PS. almost had a Coventry Climax Fire pump a couple of years back, but the 'fools' scrapped it before I could get there!! ho hum)

Blair, the trolley design is by R.A. Lister, it was available as an extra. Mine isn`t an original one but made to the same design. There are a lot of exhibitors at shows that run water pumps and occasionaly you`ll spot one running a dynamo to power a lighting board which is different. I`m hoping to be different again by using the engine to run a piece of equipment, something i`ve not seen being done yet  ;).

Cheers Morrag, shame about the pump, it doesn`t bare thinking about, just how much stuff like that ends up being re-cycled!
The Lister-Petter (now owned by Hawker Siddley, yes the airoplane makers) factory was in Dursley, about 5 miles from me, i say was but its still there, just not on the scale it used to be (most of the site is now a housing estate), i used to deliver parts to them many years ago.

Tomorrow has come early! just sealed the deal so this is what i bought for the engine to run.

Once that grinder is fully automated, I see a new profession coming on Mr T, door to door sharpening knives, shears et al............Blwyddyn Newydd Dda, y'all, Morrag

He could get a s*decar chassis and put the grinder on that.  :D

My mate Mouse bought this huge 800cc V twin diesel generator not long ago, and is planning on building a bike with it. Mad as a hatter.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not that mad really. Check the 620cc V twin Kohler generator engined bike in the Motors, 2 wheels section of the site:
Kohler roller (http://mankymonkeymotors.co.uk/Bikespageimages/Kohler/Kohler.htm)
Yeah, I can just see TB riding round the countryside as an itinerant, travelling knife sharpener.  :D

This thing is huge. He collected it with his rat combo, and it got wedged in the chair.
We had to get it out with a hoist.
I will see if I can find the pics. 

But what a neat build Mr M, it could have indeed been a factory build! lovely, where can I get one of those motors to go into the '35 Velocette frame I just happen to have?...mmmmm....Morrag

Have a look here. Loads of info.


http://www.dieselbike.net/

Just one thing, you probably know this already? but that is a whet stone! it runs in a trough of water and turns very slowly so your motor will need a bit of gearing down maybe?

Sut ydych chi heddiw Morrag.  Dymuniadau gorau ar gyfer y Nadolig a'r Flwyddyn Newydd.

JJ  ;)

Your spot on. Although not shown in the pic,there is a pulley already mounted on the left hand side, my plan is to mount a jackshaft on the end of the frame and gear down using different size puleys.
Trouble is, the fella is now not answering his emails and i wanted to pick the stone up yesterday, i get the feeling he`s less than happy with the price i paid!
UPDATE:
Line of communication now re established,PC probs apparently. Was gonna collect today but the fella said they had sleet in Bath and it looked like turning to snow, got work tomorrow so cant afford to get stuck miles from home. Will now have to wait till i`m free next thursday.

hey ,tbone, i,v got rucks of lister and other stationary engine spares i,v been restoring and showing since i was about 8

dads still attenda around 30 shows a year and he,s nearly ,80,
 ther,s over 60 engine,s in verios state,s at home along with around 13/14 tractors

there,s also a couple of ,corn mills, and the odd chaff cutter if you want something larger to drive ???

Sounds like my sort of place!  ;)

t.bone  ther,s just to much stuff been collected here over the years some,s going to have to go so let me know if you need or think you need anything
there,s allsorts much to much to list/describe all crammend in sheds and under plastic sheets etc,etc

from car stuff inc,,bmw 2002,,moggy 1000, upto a 50 ton foden ballast tractor

tractors ,fordson,,fergie,, bmb,, hanomag,, winget,, pattison rct,, david brown,, nuffield,,etc,,etc

stationary engine,s petter,, lister,, wolsley,,ruston,, amanco,, coventrey victor,, national gas,, villiers,, bsa,, etc,

and even some small bike,s,, bas,, franny barnnett,, hew hudson autocycle ,,honda exppress x3,, etc

 :o :o :o :o god when can I move in, sounds like heaven ;D ;D ;D

Makes my collection look a bit pathetic ::) make sure it all goes to a good home!

Any Triumph or Douglas stationary lumps?

Finaly got around to collecting the grinding stone yesterday......ever get the feeling you`ve bitten off more than you can chew?
The frame is a nice size, around 3 feet tall by 4 feet long, all cast iron so it weighs a ton though! I had to dismantle it so i could lift it by myself.

The stone on the other hand is a different story....Think car wheel, complete with tyre, made out of solid stone......thats the size of it! and its dam heavy too! OUCH my poor back started complaining just looking at it.
Thankfully the fella i bought it from had already removed the stone from the frame, with the aid of a tractor.Unfortunatly he could`nt be around when i collected it!

Its this thick!

Now the eagle eyed amongst you will probably have noticed the crack in the frame. This is something that i didnt know was there when i bought it, the whole thing had been stood against a wall for the last 30 years and the crack was wall side apparently, which begs the question how did it happen, cos it`s not got 30 years worth of rust in.

However it happened really isn`t important i suppose, but it does need fixing.
Cast Iron can be welded but its a real bugger to do properly, you have to be very careful not to overheat it and let it cool very very slowly, the iron doesn`t melt as in the steel welding process so in effect, all you are doing is sticking the iron together.
Brazing is a better method, the weld isn`t as brittle and can fill the gap better leading to a better, stronger joint........i`ve never brazed before so this could be interesting.
Anyway, before i do anything, i`ve gotta clean all the ironwork up

Looks like the Flintstone's car being serviced!

ahha, the old water jacket engine. when i were a lad i used to operate an old batching machine (cement mixer) that had one of these engines where i used to boil eggs for lunch :)

T bone, you may well be able to braze that crack, but another method is one we used in industry some years ago called, as far as I remember, Chain-lok, or such like. A series of holes of around 8mm. for a crack such as the one in the grinder casting, were drilled along the length of the crack, and then cast plugs were drven in as linked pairs, worked a treat. You could even plate over the top and drill and tap the face, for the sort of work it will be asked to do in the future, anyway, might be of interest, Morrag

I had thought of plating it on the inside and running a bead on the outside face, now you`ve mentioned the plug method i sort of recall seeing it somewere. I`d like to stay away from welding it and try to repair it in a way that would fit in with its age so maybe your plug method is the way to go.  ;)

i,v repaired very simaler in the past== welding cast is a  dark  art i,v had some succsess  but my dad is/was an expert but even he admits he,s getting past his best

the trick is warming the casting first then welding with the right rods and allowing to cool very slowly and gently
the rods =  nu-tectic supacast,  very expensive and not a long or good ,,shelf, life

i honestly think youre best option is to drill and bolt a neat plate on the inside and leave the bolt heads showing on the outside
try and use old style whitworth bolts with the old fashioned,large, heads  then it will look in keeping

======== a vintage repair

why oh why do you and your dad live soooo far away!  ;D

you could counter bore the hole on the outside,and use a coach bolt,
that way you would have a nice flush head on the outside.

hey ,t bone,  do you know ================================ that grindstone is only half as thick as
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 my ex missis ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

mike you also forgot that grindstone is more intelligent ;D ;D ;D

 :D :D and i bet the grindstone is cheaper to keep    /    maintain in the way that it has become acustomed  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Early pictures are missing from this thread due to the recent hacking of the site......
Just a quick update to prove i do still do stuff  ;D.
The wheel is now fixed, assembled and sporting new colours. Still need to make a new wooden handle to go over the shaft then i can bolt that back on.

I`ve also knocked up a frame to mount my collection of Lister spanner on (thats not bad punctuation, i only have 1 at the moment  ;D)
There would have been 5 whitworth spanners shipped with the engine, so i aim to pick up 2 sets, 1 set to use, whilst the other set will be painted up and mounted in the display frame.

Very artistic Tim!
The oil can says "lester" -a different company?

its not bad punctuation, it would have been bad grammar

Sorry, English is my second language, Grunting being my first according to Mrs T ;D

My own take on the Lister logo  ;)

My latest addition...
A Lister domestic D.E.P waterpump freshly painted and awaiting a top coat of green. Unusualy i managed to get hold of the trolley for this too  ;)

And my Petter A1, slowly makin its way to the workbench for a little overhaul

That's a nice little collection you're getting there Tim. You planning on showing them?

Maybe, one day, right now i`m just enjoying tinkering with it all. Its a good feeling to get hold of something slightly neglected and return it to `as new`, especially in the case of the Lister D, i`m very pleased with that one  ;).
The Lister pumps were a driven by one of two means, either an electric motor for those fortunate enough to have electricity, or a small petrol engine. Both were mounted directly on the top of the pump, hence the bolts at either end of the plate, I`d like to get hold of an original engine.....but the term `rocking horse poo` leaps to mind.
The A1 isn`t highly prized by engine enthusiasts, being at mear youngster at around 55+ years old, it`s not the prettiest of engines either which doesn`t help. Most of the Petter range was the same colour green as the lister`s but I plan on giving her a new coat or two of either blue or a deep maroon tohlp make her stand out  ;D

I am a bit like you when it comes to standing engines, just love them 8)
These are Moteur Bernard engines 200cc very common in France for rotovaters and cement mixers etc.
I am hoping to put one in my baby boardtracker project.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u284/afghanman_photos/10b3_1.jpg)

Them's a nice looking engine are they expensive?

Doc, you read my mind!

Anything from about 60€ to 120€ there are two for sale in my village, when I get some spare cash ::)I will enquire the price.

And probably the same again in shipping?

They are heavy so it would not be cheap.
If you are interested in one I will keep my eyes open and I could always bring it to England when I next come over.

I hear Mr PantherShaun is heading your way for an autojumble soon. Maybe he could bring one back?

I am tempted by that kind offer....but i think i have enough on the go at the moment.....one day though  ;)

Ryanair would love that :D

Quick update on my spanner board.......
I managed to pick up an elusive spanner at last, so thats this display board finished.

That's nice Tim.
I admit I tend to flit back & forth between Metric & Imperial, depending what's closest to whatever I'm measuring, often mixing them up -height in millimetres & length in inches etc, but I've never understood the Whitworth system.