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« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2012, 05:12:51 AM » |
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the 4.2.2 got thrown out thank god(unless some dimwit changes their mind again) was gonna be around 90 quid for a bike, god knows how much for a car, and a lot more to it, |
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« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2012, 05:22:25 AM » |
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I think this really is the thin end of the wedge,even if a lot/all of this stuff gets thrown out. It is also quite shocking to think that this could get passed,and how quickly it will come into force.
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« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2012, 09:59:58 AM » |
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They will introduce a little at a time,And before you know it,It's to late everything will be into place,
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« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2012, 08:31:44 PM » |
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Well I'm determined to stay cautiously optimistic. I don't believe anyone would be required to retrospectively comply. Most of the talk seems to be about vehicles being required to stay as they were "at first date of registration". If you build something & put it through MSVA, BIVA etc, then that's the first registration. So I'll just have to keep the 3 1/2 litre V8 in my truck.  Don't start burning your projects yet guys. |
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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2012, 08:54:29 PM » |
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I am sure whatever we end up being forced in to doing wont be to the benafit of us or anybody else.
One point i thought about today was some kit cars, are wide open to what engines were fitted and even suspension some times.
Marlins for example were the T triumph based The TM mode; triumph front marina rear, and the M had marina front and rear but could be 575 van bassed and have that axle and front hubs, engines were wide open but mounts were available for triumphs 4s and 6s ford kent ford pinto bmc 1275 or bmc 1800 or any of the o series including montego turbo engines alfa nord twin cam from 1300 to 2 litre fiat twin cams and the rover v 8 So they should be able to swap about amongst that lot with no problems.
The rickmans on the other hand were escort based so suspension ford escort mk 1 or 2 and any engine and box combination from the escort range so you are limited to kents and pintos or a bdg bdh if you are a millionaire. so they are a bit restricted.
But then locosts, what are they going to do with them they are anything goes bike car v8s v6s lots of variety.
So these cars that are from kit manufacturers like dutton marlin spartan rickman etc, they are not modifications of known main stream cars but cars in their own right that met the laws of the day just like sierras and marinas and cortinas they were based on,. So if they are dragged in for tests so should every corsa focus or vectra out there.
I cant see the cusstoms getting away with mods though they will have two options revert back to standard as of time produced ie pops get the pintos taken out and an 1172 side valve drooped in. even the wheels i think will have to be the same, or option 2 submit for the test and lose historic status and tax it like before the historic class came in.
Thats how i read it and interpret it, please correct me if i have got it all wrong. But with kits as i mention the marlins and Spartans duttons etc what had a fair few engines recommended at the time should be able to use any of those engines generaly used in that type of car.
I cant make head or tail on what they are going to do with trailers . Whats going to happen there.
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« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2012, 09:09:22 PM » |
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Option 2 looks the better bet I think.
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« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2012, 09:28:43 PM » |
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Well think about it yes its a pain having to shell out the 200+ a year tax unless its a under 1535cc then its like half that i think. But up to it the historic class being dreamed up you would have taxed it anyway, this historic mot , well that's not even in yet and seems a bit of a double edged sward to me anyway what with insurance cheaper with a test etc. so nothing lost yet anyways.
And look at it this way, If you got a modern zerro emission engine that would have no road tax or very little, once you fitted it via a conversion plate or used its own box whatever and you did all the other IVA stuff and anything else they demand, you then have a zero emissopns hot rod so they should if they are fair not charge you anymore than the car it came out of paid for tax.
Not sure if there is a capacity restriction on the free or vertualy free motors, but lower emission 2 litre diesels like my mrs s citeroen are 110 a year for a 2 lirte, so if you look at the likes of the lexus V8 or a v6 mitsubishi or mazda etc it could work out not as bad as first thought if they play fair which they probably wont.
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« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2012, 09:43:00 PM » |
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I've got a 1.4 litre turbo Ford Fiesta. Costs 30 quid a year in road tax.
Whatever they bring in will be a pain to comply with, but we're just gonna have to be more creative to work within the guidelines.
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« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2012, 10:19:32 PM » |
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Well I'm determined to stay cautiously optimistic. I don't believe anyone would be required to retrospectively comply.
That was always the case in the past but - correct me if I'm wrong cos I've seen conflicting opinions about this - although changes in standards for MOT never used to be retrospective, trikes had to have hazard warning lights retro fitted. |
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« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2012, 10:23:02 PM » |
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Too right if they think i am just going to roll over and die they have another thing coming, we are made of stern stuff round here and i am no exception. The laws will be a pain a crippling load of non nonsensical euro garbage, but if that's it then what cab you do, adapt or Die. Talking of adapting A little fiesta diesel at 30 quid a year not sure but knowing ford it will be on the general ford bell housing bolt pattern that's been there for years and years. So should bolt straight up to a type 9 box, a bit of mix and match on the clutch cover maybe a spigot bush turn up in the lathe and you are well on the way to a diesel euro emission friendly ford pop truck power plant.  Perhaps not your original plan but hey we are adapting here not dieing. |
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« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2012, 08:20:09 AM » |
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Well I'm determined to stay cautiously optimistic. I don't believe anyone would be required to retrospectively comply. Most of the talk seems to be about vehicles being required to stay as they were "at first date of registration". If you build something & put it through MSVA, BIVA etc, then that's the first registration. So I'll just have to keep the 3 1/2 litre V8 in my truck. Don't start burning your projects yet guys. I hope you're right there, coz my trike has always looked like it will, ever since it was first registered in 1972 (as it says on the V5). |
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« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2012, 03:44:20 PM » |
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Looks like we have a bit more breathing space. Have a read of the Association of Car Enthusiasts' statement in the link here: http://www.mankymonkeymotors.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11666.0I'm not sticking my head in the sand & pretending nothing will happen, but I'm still hopeful that at least a little common sense might prevail & whatever proposals become law will be workable. There are hundreds of people in the custom bike & car scene running their machines on iffy paperwork -we all know guys riding dirty great V8 trikes on Reliant Robin logbooks when there's not a single Reliant part on them, or brand new show winning 30,000 quid hotrods that are alledgedly 1971 Ford Cortinas or whatever. How many people hardtail bikes without MSVAing them afterwards as they're supposed to? We're our own worst enemies & it's that kinda thing that leaves us without a leg to stand on when the men in Brussels want to legislate against it. Speaking as someone who's in the process of building & registering a rod, I personally think it's better to play by the rules & register your motors properly, than try to sneak around the regs. The more we blatantly flout the rules, the harsher they'll make them, until nobody can modify anything. |
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« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2012, 05:30:02 PM » |
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Just looked at a kit car,Ford based,says its a Volvo on the log book!
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« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2012, 06:03:18 PM » |
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Just looked at a kit car,Ford based,says its a Volvo on the log book!
Walk (no, run) away from it. |
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« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2012, 08:22:44 PM » |
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Just looked at a kit car,Ford based,says its a Volvo on the log book!
Walk (no, run) away from it. I'll second that |
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