Manky Monkey Motors

I have just acquired a gpz 1100 motor with loom and carbs etc and an looking at one of those posh frames on the bay see link

 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIVERSAL-HARD-TAIL-FRAME-TO-SUIT-MOST-IN-LINE-4S-AND-TWIN-CHOPPER-CHOP-CUSTOM-/280795035604?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4160b037d4#ht_3450wt_1037

have no paper work so no vin number not sure if its strictly legal just stamping current vin number on new frame anyway so i guess it will need full msva as i dont think the cripples clause will work as with trikes?? where as you say its adapted for disabled use and just need inspection ?

so any imput please any one of you guys done this and how much of an issue was it etc


sure its not to much drama would like to know whats involved before i buy frame if its too much of a pain will sell motor and look into something elce

stump

take a look on brit chopper .co.uk  if iam not mistaken the chap who builds these frames goes on that site  ask him the questions you want info on  or ask member on there for info  or put it through an msva test and do it legaly  the frames seem good quality   andy

If you can show that a trike has been built with adaptions for a disabled person you don't need MSVA - have a look at the NABD site for full details.

http://forum.disabledbiker.co.uk/index.php (http://forum.disabledbiker.co.uk/index.php)

I too have been looking at the exact same frame.
 
Check out the website  http://www.hardupchoppers.com/

They have a forum that might be worth a look as well  http://hardupchoppers.forumotion.co.uk/

isnt that subject to certain rules?

thanks gran i know the trike spec and deff not wanting to build one mearly wanting to find out about the chop but thanks for input
i will check out other forum and have sent some questions to the man on ebay
just read its oil cooled engines only have to look into that as well

i have a  right bracial plexus so will be velcroing my hand to the bar, my reliant trike build has all foot controls,clutch on left,accel on right,and heel brake on right all home made by my own fair hand so does this class as adapted for dissabled? i couldnt find any info on the link and was wondering about msva?? i dont have a dissabled badge or anything would this pass msva ruel apply to me??

if a trike is a bolt on back end and can be turned into its former glory then msva not required only an inspection of engine numbers and to see if its as stated in your application...... but many are misinformed and told to send paper work to wrong department zackboy found out on one of his builds
but i did read some where that if trike was an adapted then even if it was a rigid welded frame the same rules would apply as with a bolt on back end
and you avoid msva this ment people were building trikes for there gran or crippled mates and riding it themselves it was said you can build 3 per year and if you sold it to anyone else msva still not applicable as reg process done this is all a grey area i rand dvla and no one seamed to know what i was on about you probably will get most joy from a trip to your test centre as the inspection is carried out there and you may find it informative where there is a will there is a way gotta hand it to you lol now hop off and sort it good luck
as far as my vin number is concerned been told i can use originals reg and vin as long as i insure it as a modified bike im ok happy days so looks like a wormburner frame is the way i will be going on the chop build loads of grunt in the gpz 1100 and they say it will fit a treat     

Loony's been looking at these frames since we saw them at last year's Alexandra Palace show as he has the running gear from a GPZ tucked away at his workshop. Also featured in last month's 100% Biker magazine.

cheers mm yep it seems like a good buy would struggle to build it for that even with the jig and geometry mapped out time you get head stock and wheel adjusters .... they told me can stamp in original vin and insure as a modified bike mmmmm not sure as thats right but will research it some more but have heard those frames are due to go up in price so think i will get one soon and sit on it till i source the other bits and want to find out what is max back wheel size

Stamping the original frame number on a new frame would basically be building a "ringer". Not legal. No reason why it can't go through the MSVA test though. Speak to Blair -he's recently put his chop through with no major problems.

dead ringer for love cool thanks for that ... thats pretty much what i thought msva no sweat lol whats the worst can happen lol

I've got a hardtail chop to MSVA at some point. I can't see it can be much tougher than a normal MOT -how much can you test on a bike?

 not so much  as what they can test on a bike but knowing how to build it right  ie  if it has seat for pillion  it has to have grab rails or hold ons for pillion  if the sva manual if followed it cant be to bad

I had my truck SVA'd a couple of weeks ago. Very stressful as we were having all sorts of problems with the brakes, but the test itself is pretty common sense stuff really. Once they explain why they want certain things fitted in a certain way it makes sense.

im sure it will be straight forward once i get on track as long as i get on the right track but the ringer comment is spot on so i will not be cutting corners when the time comes msva it will be but dont much fancy Q plate hope i can use plate or get an age related one

that frame is cheaper than anything i can get here in aust. even with shipping!

it will be a Q plate, unless you have full receipts and its obviously built from new parts, then you can go for a new reg.

blair got a brand new reg plate no Q plate for him not sure why not as he used second hand parts ?? curious

as far as i can tell its cause the only major used part was the engine , the wheels ,tyres and forks were not classed as major parts   

loads of info hear stump, keep scroling down to motorcycles

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf

cool i know age of engine every thing elce will be new you done well blair hat off to ya mate hope mine goes half as well ... nice one kev every little helps will have to call it the tescos chop

you'll soon foget about a Q on the reg plate when you stand back and look at what youve created, ;) are you building it around the adaptions you need to make it your own?

i dont think i would be bothered really if it did get a Q ,    had the insurance on the other day wanting me to fill out a modified vehicle form , they couldnt seam to understand that it wasnt a modified bike but a one off . the lassie jsut kept repeating that if i didnt declair any non standard parts that my insurance wouldnt pay out , even thought i kept saying it was all standard parts on a super squirrel cause it was build by me --- the manufacturer !

good luck and keep at it and youll easy get through the msva , remember EU marking on everything

and sent back to the manufacturer for any and all repairs!

exactely chewie 

dont worry about eu markings, only thing that it helps to have EC or whatever markings is the mirrors, lights etc do not need the markings

its more about position etc

MSVA really is a walk in the park once you actually look at it.

and congrats Blair on your build, watched it for a long time, but confused as hell at that 12 plate?? never achieved it in 11 builds :( all Q, but I like Q plates

saw this on my travels and thought it may be of interest to some of you i did not write it its a QUOTE ..........................................................


"For starters i used a GSXR 750 WN 1992 K REG as a doner bike. Has only failed mot on a noisy can and picked it up for 700 quid, steal!

I knew from the start i was going to sva the bike as the police in Poole can be some tight bastards, so didn't want to take any risks, so i download the msva test guide book which tells everything think you can and can't have. Basically if you go and look at a new bike, it need all of thoose things, convex mirrors, silencers that will bring the noise under 99 deciebells, indicators, all working lights, steering lock and all thoose kind of jassey things. Now at this point i will be honest, as soon i passed the sva and the built up vehcile inspection test(bull s**t test by the dvla to check it is the frame number and chassis number you say it is, didnt even take it out of the van) i took most of the s**tty stuff of, silencers etc.

The sva test itself is long but when they do fail you on somethings its for good reason, i had some gromits missing round the edge of my wires into the eltrics box that could casued the wire to cut and not enough play in my back brake. Their brake strength test is a bit heavy duty(dont ask) as they do it on a rolling road upto about 130 pounds of pressure. And with your lights, if its e marked its good.

they never to pictures of your bike some mine is now completely diffrent to the bike they tested. I put a sissy bar on it for a start so i didnt have to work round their side mount number plate bo****ks. It now has a side mount plate.

In short, if its unsafe or dodgey they will fail it, they paperwork isnt to hard, just phone the dvla, get a frame number and then sva it on the frame number, because i used a new frame and kept the recipet for it, I DONT HAVE A Q PLATE!!! And as its registered as a new biek i dont have to mot it for 3 years aswell, so im on a winer."     

 all spelling is not mine but rekon you will get the gist of it

In regards to MSVA i read on another forum, A guy rang an insurance company for a quote for his Trike,
One of the questions asked had it past an MSVA test,So it looks like insuranc is now going to be a problem.

looks like someone was trying to tell him he didnt go though the proper method and ill bet its cause he didnt get a Q plate , i ve lost count of how many people tell me i must have filled out a form incorrectly or i just didnt do the process correct , and ive only done 2 miles on the bike since it was registared

seams to echo my experiance of the system 

Oi Stumpy - your profile says you're in Somerset so what's this about Poole?   Looks like we need to meet up!

think you should read my post again gran ... spec savers lol

 :-[   :P

As said elsewhere, I blame the excitement and the red wine!


Wonder who that was then...............?