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Title: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 07, 2009, 10:07:02 PM
hi just to say hello. i have just finished building my trike . sorting out problems as i go  along all on my lonesome.then i find you reading through the posts only to find all the answers that i wanted in my build never mind. a brillint site thanks terry


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: rockstar on September 07, 2009, 11:13:01 PM
hi terry welcome loads of info on this yer site :D ;D ;) ;D 8)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 07, 2009, 11:16:09 PM
Hiya Terry. Welcome aboard mate. Better late than never eh.  ;)
That's a bugger ain't it -we've just been killing time, waiting for you to get here.  :D
So now you're done, you gonna show us the fruits of your labour? There's lots of other shed dwellers out there who'd appreciate the help & advice of another builder. If you've managed to keep your sanity through the build process, there's bound to be lots of tips you can pass on to the next guy.  ;)
The site's only as good as the guys who make it tick -you lot. Welcome, fellow Monkey.  ;D  


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Stephen Mac on September 07, 2009, 11:28:06 PM
hi terry welcome must have been hard going it alone lots of friendly and helpful people here you couldnt have joined a better site  :)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 07, 2009, 11:34:29 PM
hi thanks for the welcome. my build was fairly straight forward compared with some i have seen on here. its a honda gl 1000 with a bolt on rear end useing a reliant back axle i will try to sort so photos out terry


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: tbone on September 08, 2009, 07:58:47 AM
Welcome along, tell us who you are,what you`ve built and why, you dont have to but as well as friendly n helpfull, we`re nosey too  ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 08, 2009, 08:28:30 AM
Tis true. We are.  ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: ROD on September 08, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
wot they ^^^^said .............. ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Firery Fred on September 09, 2009, 05:16:54 PM
Yeah, It's great here welcome  :D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 18, 2009, 09:15:27 PM
hi sorry it bin a will since i posted this.work and pc probs. as i work from home it seamed as if i was working 24hrs a day. so i wanted to do some thing different in the evenings just to take my mind of of work.but what.having bike in my younger day.get a bike do up and ride.so i found a honda goldwing gl1000 at a good price.got it home and started to work on it then the BOSS said she was not happy with me going out on the bike and she will not go on it.so what bo i do now.driving to work one day i spotted a trike going the other way.thats it i will trike it.so i spoke to the BOSS a it was fine as she said three wheel are better than 2.thats when the fun started. i will post photos when i can work out how to.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 19, 2009, 06:05:05 PM
Check the "Posting Pics" thread at the top of this forum section Terry.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 19, 2009, 08:01:47 PM
Hi MM i have looked at that.do it work on. ms vista or ms xp. as my lap top runs vista.i cant seem to down load photo bucket.my pc has a is running a bit slow at the moment.and the photos are on my laptop.i will keep trying


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: tazet on September 19, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
I also run on Vista on my laptop so you should have no problems.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on September 20, 2009, 09:16:35 AM
Have had no problems with Vista or now WIndows7. You don't download photobucket though, maybe thats the problem?


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 21, 2009, 07:16:05 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/29bmyv4.jpg)
this picture shows the old swinging arm off the bike
(http://i34.tinypic.com/29xf3pd.jpg)
shows the side view of the bike on the ramp
(http://i38.tinypic.com/jkaql1.jpg)
the new swinging arm
(http://i34.tinypic.com/zls0au.jpg)
the new arm on the bike

more pictures to follow if this works!



Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on September 21, 2009, 07:58:40 PM
That looks like its gonna be a very narrow rear axle. It doesn't look like you can fit a diff in before the axle clamp. You gonna be able to lean that like a solo? ;)

How wide is the rear end gonna be?


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 21, 2009, 09:02:23 PM
yes it's narrow it's 39 inches between back plates and 51 inches overall width
more pictures to follow


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 21, 2009, 09:09:21 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/t9xe2b.jpg)
a view from the back of the swinging arm

(http://i38.tinypic.com/24zdcew.jpg)
rear side view of rear axle

(http://i38.tinypic.com/xc270o.jpg)
view from the other side

(http://i35.tinypic.com/20tikvp.jpg)
the axle and frame view from the rear

pictures of trike on wheels to follow


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on September 22, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Wow, that is a good fit :)

Do you know what model that axle/diff came off as that is the same as mine, well would be if it was black? ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trikerpete on September 23, 2009, 12:59:20 PM
Looking good. I take it that the bike has same propshaft rotation as reliant?


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 23, 2009, 09:27:11 PM
hi nabsin it came of a 1985 reliant robin "b" type axle


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: harley gazz on September 23, 2009, 11:48:22 PM
Looking good. I take it that the bike has same propshaft rotation as reliant?
did an aspencade a few years back and after the first fire up  >:( >:( >:( had to flip the axle as i had accquired 6 reverse gears ,instead of 6 forward ones hope ya got it right  ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 24, 2009, 11:00:41 AM
Same thing on the first trike I ever built, an XS750 Yam. I'd narrowed the axle on one side to line up with the bike engine output, so when I had to flip the axle upside down, it was twice as far out of line. Had to start all over again.
The majority of bike engine props rotate the opposite way to Reliants, so hope you've checked it mate.  ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on September 24, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
I thought I read something by desperate saying you didn't need to flip the reliant axles as you can open the diff and swap the gears over?


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 24, 2009, 04:01:45 PM
Someone here has mentioned that in the past, but as one side of the casings is much deeper than the other, wouldn't that involve flipping the casings anyway?


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: morrag on September 24, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
Being a Honda Goldwing it's probably similar to my Silverwing final drive output shaft/direction,which was the same as this one, anyway, if not you can flip the internals of these axles as the planet wheels are still contained in the main casting area, Morrag


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 24, 2009, 06:08:53 PM
Problem solved, should it arise then.  ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 24, 2009, 08:05:29 PM
hi reading all comment on the prop shaft rotation. the goldwing is the same as the reliant axle. when i decided to build a trike i had it on the bench for about 3 mts working out how i would do the swinging arm convertion. making templates out of ply to keep it as compacked as possible.checking the prop rotation ect  using string lines levels to keep the axle square to the frame.before cutting the axle and swinging arm.then made a jig for the swinging arm and axle to sit in so i could cut the box section to fit


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 24, 2009, 09:12:27 PM
And made a nice job of it too.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on September 24, 2009, 09:19:47 PM
thanks for that mm.hows your trike coming along. is rent a monkey adoption still open


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on September 24, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
Yup, add your name to the list if you'd like to contribute.
I've been on holiday all this week & hoped to get loads done on various projects. As usual though, the time's just disappeared. Spent most of it driving from one place to another, collecting parts. Hoping to spend some time tomorrow working on the exhaust for my trike. Maybe.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on January 09, 2010, 08:11:14 PM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/x3u0cg.jpg)
side view of trike

(http://i37.tinypic.com/9ulydu.jpg)
another view from the side rear

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2qs1h14.jpg)
another side view

(http://i33.tinypic.com/110etyb.jpg)
front view of the trike

(http://i36.tinypic.com/125lx6x.jpg)
another front view of trike

(http://i46.tinypic.com/296c776.jpg)
trike waiting to go on the road

(http://i48.tinypic.com/50r70k.jpg)
another view of the ready to go trike when postman delivers the tax!


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: brock on January 09, 2010, 08:29:12 PM
  Nice tool box  :)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on January 09, 2010, 08:42:34 PM
Nice chunky little proportions.  :)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 16, 2010, 11:30:01 PM
this is what its all about.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/34ys7bl.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/21eru9y.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/ofmyjd.jpg)


(http://i41.tinypic.com/123xlw1.jpg)

 hopfully i will give it a run tomorrow.to see how it handles and give it a blast down the roads.to clear out the cobwebs. still no v5 back from swansea.phoned today to check and they said they have not had papper work back from inspector yet.they looked at it on the 6/1/10.still i have got the tax disc that states tricycle


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 16, 2010, 11:56:27 PM
Congratulations Terry.  ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: BikerGran on March 17, 2010, 08:13:19 PM
Quote
still no v5 back from swansea.phoned today to check and they said they have not had papper work back from inspector yet.they looked at it on the 6/1/10

They lost mine but only for about a month - think you should start chasing it, contact the inspector?


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: klogan45 on March 17, 2010, 10:24:49 PM
Hello Terry, nice work ;D.
I'm going to trike a gl1100 soon, he said hopefully, when I get time and get the Virago finished.
I've pm'ed you about the swinging arm on your GL.
Regards
K


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 20, 2010, 10:30:10 PM
update. took trike out for a run. just up and down the road at first.gearing seams ok.slight steering wobble.but heavy steering at low speed.back to garage to check tyre pressure. now to have a run up the carridge way. pulls well through the gears.but steering is still to heavy. looking at upgrading forks.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 21, 2010, 07:35:16 AM
By "too heavy", what exactly do you mean Terry?
Bike/trike conversions tend to suffer from steering wobble, especially when slowing down. The forks usually end up more upright than the manufacturers intended as the back end of the trike sits higher with a car axle in place of the bike wheel. That pitches the vehicle's weight forward, which is exagerated under braking. The extra weight & width of the back end don't help either & you can end up with that shopping trolley wheel effect. You may also suffer bump steer -where hitting a bump or pothole with a rear wheel will shake the front end. Most trikes have a certain speed range where it'll happen & be fine either side of that, so at least you know when to expect it. A steering damper will help, but isn't really a cure.
Longer forks might lift the front end enough to reduce the effects, but could lead to greater fork flex.
Personally I go with a low headstock & standard length forks, kicked out at more of an angle. My last few trikes have had roughly 45 degrees of rake. That makes the steering heavy at very low speeds, (manouvering around carparks etc), but much more stable at riding speeds. I also fit wide handlebars, which will give you greater leverage & help reduce the wobble.   


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: BikerGran on March 21, 2010, 10:21:01 PM
More air in the front tyre helped with mine but what made even more difference was having a new front tyre, one that wasn't worn in as a bike tyre.  I've heard tell that a sidecar tyre is good but I just use a cheapo bike tyre now.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 21, 2010, 11:29:44 PM
Thanks B G. tried more air in tyre steering was lighter. but steering wobble was worse. will check tyre.looking at leading link forks. my old Kawasaki 550 was fine i just put more air in the forks.the trike only weighed 250kilo. were as the goldwing weighs


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trikerpete on March 23, 2010, 02:06:19 PM
Thanks B G. tried more air in tyre steering was lighter. but steering wobble was worse. will check tyre.looking at leading link forks. my old Kawasaki 550 was fine i just put more air in the forks.the trike only weighed 250kilo. were as the goldwing weighs

well, what does the goldwing weigh terry? :)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: morrag on March 23, 2010, 05:04:09 PM
A guy I know triked a Goldwing last year and had the same probs. that you are getting, so his solution was Earls forks, an expensive cure in his case, but worked really well,  Morrag


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 23, 2010, 09:53:34 PM
hi pete. it weighs 360 kilos with out the panier's  and top box


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trikerpete on March 23, 2010, 10:00:04 PM
thanks terry

heavy steering.... have you heard of "easy steer"

http://www.wackeystrikes.co.uk/vir11.htm


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 23, 2010, 10:22:10 PM
Hi morrag. thanks for your reply.yes i know that these type of forks are expensive.so  i am looking at fitting external springs to the forks [as in photo] and fitting a car type tyre to the front wheel



(http://i43.tinypic.com/103yhwi.jpg)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: morrag on March 23, 2010, 11:41:21 PM
I have my doubts as regards the effectiveness, or value, of that type of auxiliary spring. I tend to agree with Mr M, that if the most effective route of Earles type fork is not persued, then the rake and trail must be adjusted, along with shorter,stiffer,but not necessarily overly stiffly sprung, larger stanchion forks, are required, cheers, Morrag


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on March 24, 2010, 01:57:21 PM
I am going to make leading links for my trike. I had them on an outfit and the difference it made was unbelievable. Would buy a nice shiney new set but seeing as the run at around a grand it isn't an option


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trikerpete on March 24, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
I am going to make leading links for my trike. I had them on an outfit and the difference it made was unbelievable. Would buy a nice shiney new set but seeing as the run at around a grand it isn't an option

when you make them, dont forget to post details/dimensions etc :)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on March 25, 2010, 01:36:19 PM
Shall make sure they work and stay straight before I post anything ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trikerpete on March 25, 2010, 05:50:26 PM
Shall make sure they work and stay straight before I post anything ;)


said the wise man ;) :)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 25, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
Hi all. tyre came today. going to take a day off work tomorrow so will try a fit it then. with a bit of luck the springs will be here tomorrow so i can sort them out as well

(http://i39.tinypic.com/96ykqe.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2rwrw5w.jpg)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 25, 2010, 10:35:37 PM
Nice slippers Terry.  :-*


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 25, 2010, 10:37:43 PM
Thanks andy. they belong to the boss ;D ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: VmaxTriker on March 26, 2010, 01:06:06 AM
Does the flat face tyre make the steering seem any more heavier (for those that already use them)

If only someone would produce affordable leading link forks, cos I need em too  ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trev on March 26, 2010, 09:24:59 AM
how much was the tyre terry? might try one myself.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
Hi trev. £59 free p/p.ebay  item no 260563494614
advertised as side car tyre .going to fit today

 


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on March 26, 2010, 01:24:21 PM
Is that an Avon Tourist vintage car tyre? It looks like the ones I had on the front of my outfits.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
Hi yes it is an avon. triple duty 350/19 trye. suitable for sidecar and the older light cars ie Austin 7


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trikerpete on March 26, 2010, 08:04:02 PM
Thanks andy. they belong to the boss ;D ;D


What you doing wearing her slippers.... you'll be wearing her dresses next ;) ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: hunter on March 26, 2010, 09:39:11 PM
Then it will be undies.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: klogan45 on March 28, 2010, 03:41:24 PM
Ooooooooooer missus, then the stockings,,,,,,,,,


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on April 09, 2010, 10:06:27 PM
v5c arrived today 13 weeks afther being inspected. fitted new tyre steering a bit better.but you can fill it pulling trying to pull straight when you power up on bends or going around round abouts. still looking at altering forks


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: TwistedPatience on April 10, 2010, 06:05:07 AM
v5c arrived today 13 weeks afther being inspected. fitted new tyre steering a bit better.but you can fill it pulling trying to pull straight when you power up on bends or going around round abouts. still looking at altering forks

The effects you describe are perfectly normal for a trike ie ploughing when powering around corners you won't get rid of that ever.

Just use the biggest tyre you can find to get the biggest amount of rubber on the road.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trev on April 10, 2010, 08:30:43 AM
yeh what TP said is right,youve got to learn to ride it,changing forks could make it worse.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: BikerGran on April 10, 2010, 09:23:10 PM
Once you get used to it you don't even notice it!  And it will be much less marked at higher speeds.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on April 10, 2010, 10:37:56 PM
thanks for all you comments.i know i will get use to it in time.but it don't fill right compared to my old 550. witch you could ride one handed in to bends. i have checked the trail and its about 5 1/2".when checking other sites they say.alter the head stock by about 5degrees. or alter the forks by making them longer ie springer/girder or fit leading link.some say alter the triple trees.to give about a 2" trail. i will still ride it but will be looking at different alterations. terry 


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on June 03, 2010, 07:09:02 PM
Heavy steering update. got a local engineer to make these. hopefully to reduce the steering trail down from about 5" to 1 1/2"
will be fitting them this weekend.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/x43u6r.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/1zwyxb4.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2sajg1z.jpg)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Mr_G on June 03, 2010, 07:57:12 PM
How have I missed this thread so far? Loving the build Terry.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: BikerGran on June 04, 2010, 09:39:54 AM
That looks like it works on the same principle as the 'Easysteer' produced by a somerset trike builders.....



Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Cabman77 on June 04, 2010, 02:22:05 PM
It all becomes clear to me now  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: cunningplan on June 04, 2010, 05:08:13 PM
It all becomes clear to me now  ;D ;D ;D ;D

and me :o


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on June 09, 2010, 09:33:49 PM
Hi BikerGran. yes they are  based on that system. i phoned them up and had a chat with with the boss.told me they don't make them for goldwings. i think they only will make if they built the trike.so i went else were to get these made

(http://i48.tinypic.com/xgi21.jpg)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on June 09, 2010, 09:43:21 PM
Which will look like this

(http://i50.tinypic.com/opwjyt.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/e8nwhu.jpg)

and reduce the steering trail down from 5 1/2" to 2" and make the steering lighter


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: bitzman5 on June 09, 2010, 11:44:27 PM
Biker Gran for a lady Triker you have so much knowledge about your love of motor cycles and Terry T thy look the dogs dangles


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: BikerGran on June 11, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
Been thinking of getting some myself.  I didn't know the Somerset people only made them for trikes they build but anyway I know a man who can!  I reckon a combination of those and getting the bars changed would make a lot of difference to how tired I get when riding.

Bitzman I've always been interested in the mechanical side of things, prolly not a lot of lady (!) trikers have a Physics O Level either!  Years ago when I was a fairly new biker my family bought me an old Supoerdream from someone's back garden for a project and I rebuilt that very slowly gaining a lot of knowledge in the process, and always used to my own maintenance, I really miss the spannering but just can't do it now - anno domini and arthritis!

Just sold the Superdream to a lad in our club, he's had several 250s but this will be his first 400, nice to see a youngster getting into biking properly and doing his own work.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: bitzman5 on June 11, 2010, 09:02:20 PM
HI BG know the feeling well falling to bits 7 heart attacks cancer right total hip replacement and diabetes but I'm still riding bikes now trikes going out with a bang ME


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on June 15, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
Hi fitted these at the weekend

ezi steer slabs i had made
(http://i46.tinypic.com/5luryv.jpg)

to lighten the steering
(http://i45.tinypic.com/x3er7k.jpg)

they reduced the trail down from 51/2" to 13/4"
no 1 steering neck line
no2 new steering trail
no3 old  steering trail
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2dtu7o2.jpg)

went fer a trip around the block to see how they performed.  ;D ;D well pleased no shaking or pulling and no trying to pull straight on bends or round abouts.in all they WORK 8) 8)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: BikerGran on June 16, 2010, 12:00:30 AM
Excellent news!


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: voodoo on June 16, 2010, 03:47:14 PM
Those look the bollox..(excuse my expression but I am common as muck lol)..very nice set up...Voodoo....


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Clive on June 16, 2010, 06:22:20 PM
Go on then (resident thicky has arrived), how, in SIMPLE terms, do they do what they do (whatever that is)?

Clive


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: TwistedPatience on June 16, 2010, 06:25:46 PM
They change the angle of dangle Clive  ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on June 16, 2010, 07:08:23 PM
Hi Clive in SIMPLE terms. they alter the front wheel position by moving it nearer to the steering neck line to make the steering lighter.for us old gits with bad backs ect terry

 no1  steering neck line
 
 no2 new steering trail with ezi steer slabs fitted 1 3/4"

 no3 old steering trail take was used for bike setup 5 1/2"

in theory the smaller the trail the lighter the steering

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2hhd66f.jpg)



Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on June 21, 2010, 07:05:29 PM
Hi all update.as i said in a earlier thread.i had these slab yokes made.your not to sure what will work.i know the steering was heavy and pulled straight when you powered up.and you all said that was the norm.you will get use to it.but i did not like it. it did not fill right or safe.afther searching the net looking at different idears. leading link girder and having the rake on the steering stem altered i went for these and got a local engineer to make them for me. so i fitted them on.thinking take forks off put on slabs put forks back away you go.No brake hoses to short head light ears dont fit ect ect. new brake hoses afther mart head light ears fitted. then the big day starts trike let it warm up for a bit.s**t petrol dripping out of exhaust.as these are not the best of carbs to remove i shut the fuel off to drain some out of the carbs then turned the tap back on seams ok.out onto the road no shaking on take off.no the big round about at the end of our estate round once both hands on bars nice and light no pulling straight try again just to make sure all ok. now once more iam getting dizzy.this time hold the bars with one hand again nice and light with no shakes then the carbs started to play up so off home. i all they where good investment and look better and a lot cheaper then link forks. i have just got to find some one that knows how to set up a honda goldwing now. ;D ;D
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2f0f2tg.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/30kc7t4.jpg)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on June 21, 2010, 08:29:09 PM
Glad it worked out O.K Terry. I'm not personally a fan of leading link forks, simply cos I think they look kinda messy. These look much more subtle. Nice.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: blair on June 22, 2010, 07:49:30 AM
does it handle ok at say around 60 to 70 , i only ask as you havent mentioned higher speed handling yet and although my bros trike has heavy stearing at low speed at the higher end it razor sharp almost go cart like and switching from one lane to another is very quick infact to the point that if you sneezed and twitched you would be across the carriageway , so with your really light stearing front end i wondered if you considered the higher speed that you would possibly cruise at .


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on June 22, 2010, 12:34:51 PM
If the ned result of this type of fork is that same as a leading link fork Blair it will be good at all speeds. Thats the way it worked on my oputfits anyway, light and one hand stable


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on October 10, 2010, 07:08:01 PM
hi all latest update.afther toad sorted out the running. i got it mot.then sorted out the over charging.it was ready for the big test on the dual carriage way to see how it handled with these forks

(http://i54.tinypic.com/i4o3yr.jpg)

started of slow in 20 mph zone no shakes or pulling increased speed slowly alls fine onto roundabout. not fighting with the bars likebefore
now on the carriage way 40mph ok 60 mph ok 70 mph ok no pulling can hold one handed drives in a straight line even when backing of the throttle.
went for a run it handled fine at all speeds and road conditions i could trow at it .o/a iam pleased with the out come of the  build and looks of the trike not sure what colour to have it painted. now sorting out my next project
 terry


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on October 10, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
Congratulations Terry. Glad you've managed to salvage a previously unrideable machine. Maybe we could run a tech piece on your forks -& your trike, when we get the main site back online?


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 14, 2011, 10:59:26 PM
hi all latest update.afther toad sorted out the running. i got it mot.then sorted out the over charging.it was ready for the big test on the dual carriage way to see how it handled with these forks

(http://i54.tinypic.com/i4o3yr.jpg)

started of slow in 20 mph zone no shakes or pulling increased speed slowly alls fine onto roundabout. not fighting with the bars likebefore
now on the carriage way 40mph ok 60 mph ok 70 mph ok no pulling can hold one handed drives in a straight line even when backing of the throttle.
went for a run it handled fine at all speeds and road conditions i could trow at it .o/a iam pleased with the out come of the  build and looks of the trike not sure what colour to have it painted. now sorting out my next project
 terry
Those of you that read my post about heavy steering and wheel shake.well i had these easy steer yoke extenders made and the out come was better than i expected.no wheel shake drives straight and handle well into bends and round abouts.i set a video camera up o the handle bars and filmed it through the town and part carriagway look at the link on you tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1fCHway9Bs


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: gnasher 6 on March 14, 2011, 11:46:56 PM
Bet your well impressed terry t, I'm well jealous, Can't wait to get mine done now i've seen yours on the road, Looks to handle really good to me. A big thumbs up to ya terry g6 ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 15, 2011, 12:02:49 AM
Thanks g6.the trikes been on the road since jan 09. it only when you ride then you find the problems.mine had heavy steering and steering shake.when you went into a bend or a round about you had to hold on tight other wise it would pull straight.so i had these alloy fork extenders made.can only say one thing.they work ;D
the camera was set low to try and show the speedo and a view just as back ground to show how the steering reacted at different speeds


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 15, 2011, 12:06:45 AM
well sorted terry,i could almost feel the wind in my hair waching that film cant wait to be back on the road again.all the best zak


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 15, 2011, 12:11:18 AM
thanks zak.it was good to get out on it.shades on wind in my hair. yes it was good  8) 8).


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 25, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
A or B diff
As it was a nice day i took the trike out for a good run. 8) 8)
it ran and handled fine but
now no matter how had i tried i could not get it to go past 65mph
the question is what diff  ???
the originale bikes final drive was 3.400 ratio on a 25" o/a wheel
its running now on a reliant b diff with 2.78/1 ratio on a205/55/15/ 24"o/a wheel
i have got an a diff with 3.23/1 and 205/60/15/25"o/a wheel
question is what would be the best combination i don't want the speed but would be nice for over taking etc


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: cunningplan on March 26, 2011, 02:14:53 AM
A or B diff
As it was a nice day i took the trike out for a good run. 8) 8)
it ran and handled fine but
now no matter how had i tried i could not get it to go past 65mph
the question is what diff  ???
the originale bikes final drive was 3.400 ratio on a 25" o/a wheel
its running now on a reliant b diff with 2.78/1 ratio on a205/55/15/ 24"o/a wheel
i have got an a diff with 3.23/1 and 205/60/15/25"o/a wheel
question is what would be the best combination i don't want the speed but would be nice for over taking etc

Theres not much difference in final drive (Bigger tyre/lower ratio, smaller tyre/higher ratio) if anything the combination you have now should be the slightly the best. Where is the speedo drive? front or rear?
get someone in a car to follow you at a given speed (Say 50) and see if thats out.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2011, 10:02:50 AM
Hi cunningplan.the speedo is drive is on the front wheel.the speedo seems to to be ok as when in traffic in the town 20-30and 40 it about right.it just seems that its got a speed governor on it stopping it from going past 65


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 26, 2011, 10:48:45 AM
i would see what the rev counter is saying at 65 terry


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
i would see what the rev counter is saying at 65 terry
just checked the video. its about 3500 4000 rpm at 65
i noticed it did touch 70 mph at 4000rpm in the video but that's with the wind behind me hasn't done it since


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 26, 2011, 12:07:23 PM
iv never used a b type axle on a motorcycle engined trike, my gs had the type A  3.23/1axle im not a speedster but could get it up to 80 before i chickened out, but prob would have not done much more than that, the wheels had a over all hight from the ground of 21 inches


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: nabsim on March 26, 2011, 12:27:22 PM
Dont know if this is any help, its a bit from one of Thunderaces post on BTW doesn't mention A's or B's but as you can see there can be a huge difference depending what you have


Old three piece case Regal axle was  4.375 : 1,
750 Robin used 3.545 : 1   
850's Robin & Rialto   3.23 : 1
yellow top Rialto  super tall  2.78 : 1  final.



Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 26, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
if you know what ratio your gears are from first to fifth, if you use this link you should be able to work out what  set up would be best http://www.kabamus.com/garage/gears.html


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
Dont know if this is any help, its a bit from one of Thunderaces post on BTW doesn't mention A's or B's but as you can see there can be a huge difference depending what you have


Old three piece case Regal axle was  4.375 : 1,
750 Robin used 3.545 : 1   
850's Robin & Rialto   3.23 : 1
yellow top Rialto  super tall  2.78 : 1  final.
Hi nabsim.yes i have got that info. my thinking was the goldwing diff was 3.400 with 25"wheel
i am running 2.78 with 24" wheel
if i got hold of 3.545 that a lot closer to the original diff of 3.400
Terry


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2011, 01:52:35 PM
if you know what ratio your gears are from first to fifth, if you use this link you should be able to work out what  set up would be best http://www.kabamus.com/garage/gears.html
Hi zak. according to this with the diff and wheels Ive got
at 3500 rpm in top gear i should be doing 95 mph
at 4000 rpm in top gear i should be doing 108 mph
i will be happy with that  ;D ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 26, 2011, 02:37:46 PM
is that with the axle you have on now i think you said it is a b type, the only other time i have had a prob with not being able to get over ascertain speed believe it or not was to do with the exhaust system not leting the gasses out quick enough,i would get to a certain speed and it would just not go any more


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2011, 02:49:09 PM
is that with the axle you have on now i think you said it is a b type
yes b type diff 2.78 with 205/55/15/wheels


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 26, 2011, 03:01:14 PM
are you using the origanal exhast system terry


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2011, 03:11:39 PM
are you using the origanal exhast system terry
yes
right i have been checking the diffs
on trike is b diff 39/14=2.79
     spare a diff 42/13=3.23
now i have another spare axle i have just taken apart and this is 39 teeth on the crown wheel and 11 on the pinion given me  39/11-3.55
 


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 26, 2011, 03:49:33 PM
yes the last one you mention there 3.55 is 750 robin and 750 kitten van,what is your 5th gear ratio


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 26, 2011, 05:20:52 PM
yes the last one you mention there 3.55 is 750 robin and 750 kitten van,what is your 5th gear ratio
5th gear ratio is 0.939


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 27, 2011, 10:38:43 AM
its a mystery to me terry,i have to test mine yet i will be diapointed if im not crusing at 65 to 70


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: tbone on March 27, 2011, 11:50:45 AM
Hi chaps, have a read of this.......http://www.mankymonkeymotors.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4941.0


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 27, 2011, 12:15:02 PM
Thanks tbone.yes i have read that i think i have been right thought  this forum. looking at related items about wheels and diffs.
i think i have another problem. because according to my calculations and checking outher sites i should get at least 95 in top were i can only get 65 max that giving it stick throughout the gears
i am changing the carbs at the moment then check exhausts it a last resort change diff to from 2.79 to 3.55
the suns out i want to ride it not fix it ??? ???


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 27, 2011, 02:50:07 PM
update. think i have sorted it.
*****CARBS****
i changed the carbs for another set i had.
it started ok took it for a run up the carridge way and f****** it shifted.
i bottled out a 75/80 ;D .still handled well no shakes at low or high speeds  ;D will set up and balance carbs and see what happens
so it looks like the carbs for some reason was holding it back on full throttle poss secondary jets ???
thanks to everyone for all your input on this


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: tbone on March 27, 2011, 02:53:21 PM
Ok, lets start again.

Goldwing 1000 correct?
has a primary reduction of 1.708
      a secondary reduction of 0.825
giving 1.4091 overall reduction of crank to the input shaft.
1st gear = 2.5
2nd gear = 1.708
3rd gear = 1.333
4th gear = 1.097
5th gear = 0.939
Final drive = 3.40

Lets stick to your 4000 rpm
Eng = 4000 divided by overall reduction 1.4091 = 2838 rpm at the input shaft.
Output = 2838 divided by final drive ratio 2.78 = 1020 rpm at the wheel.

To convert to MPH = engine rpm x raduis divided by final drive ratio x 168

4000 (rpm) x 4.43inches (tyre height) plus 7.5inches (half wheel diam) = 4000 x 11.93     = 47720
1.78 (primary reduction) x 0.825 (secondary) x 0.939 (5th gear) x 2.78 (final drive) = 3.83 x 168 = 643
So  477720 divided by 643 should give you 74mph in 5th gear at 4000 rpm using your current diff/wheel setup.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: tbone on March 27, 2011, 02:54:20 PM
update. think i have sorted it.
*****CARBS****
i changed the carbs for another set i had.
it started ok took it for a run up the carridge way and f****** it shifted.
i bottled out a 75/80 ;D .still handled well no shakes at low or high speeds  ;D will set up and balance carbs and see what happens
so it looks like the carbs for some reason was holding it back on full throttle poss secondary jets ???
thanks to everyone for all your input on this

You mean i worked all that out for nothing  >:(   ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Cabman77 on March 27, 2011, 02:57:32 PM
Ok, lets start again.

Goldwing 1000 correct?
has a primary reduction of 1.708
      a secondary reduction of 0.825
giving 1.4091 overall reduction of crank to the input shaft.
1st gear = 2.5
2nd gear = 1.708
3rd gear = 1.333
4th gear = 1.097
5th gear = 0.939
Final drive = 3.40

Lets stick to your 4000 rpm
Eng = 4000 divided by overall reduction 1.4091 = 2838 rpm at the input shaft.
Output = 2838 divided by final drive ratio 2.78 = 1020 rpm at the wheel.

To convert to MPH = engine rpm x raduis divided by final drive ratio x 168

4000 (rpm) x 4.43inches (tyre height) plus 7.5inches (half wheel diam) = 4000 x 11.93     = 47720
1.78 (primary reduction) x 0.825 (secondary) x 0.939 (5th gear) x 2.78 (final drive) = 3.83 x 168 = 643
So  477720 divided by 643 should give you 74mph in 5th gear at 4000 rpm using your current diff/wheel setup.


I`ve got a headache !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on March 27, 2011, 03:00:04 PM
Ok, lets start again.

Goldwing 1000 correct?
has a primary reduction of 1.708
      a secondary reduction of 0.825
giving 1.4091 overall reduction of crank to the input shaft.
1st gear = 2.5
2nd gear = 1.708
3rd gear = 1.333
4th gear = 1.097
5th gear = 0.939
Final drive = 3.40

Lets stick to your 4000 rpm
Eng = 4000 divided by overall reduction 1.4091 = 2838 rpm at the input shaft.
Output = 2838 divided by final drive ratio 2.78 = 1020 rpm at the wheel.

To convert to MPH = engine rpm x raduis divided by final drive ratio x 168

4000 (rpm) x 4.43inches (tyre height) plus 7.5inches (half wheel diam) = 4000 x 11.93     = 47720
1.78 (primary reduction) x 0.825 (secondary) x 0.939 (5th gear) x 2.78 (final drive) = 3.83 x 168 = 643
So  477720 divided by 643 should give you 74mph in 5th gear at 4000 rpm using your current diff/wheel setup.
im impressed tbone can you work mine out


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: hornet6 on March 27, 2011, 03:19:31 PM
To many numbers there for me lads. ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on March 27, 2011, 03:37:49 PM
You lost me after the first line, but very impressive Tim!


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 27, 2011, 04:26:04 PM
Ok, lets start again.

Goldwing 1000 correct?
has a primary reduction of 1.708
      a secondary reduction of 0.825
giving 1.4091 overall reduction of crank to the input shaft.
1st gear = 2.5
2nd gear = 1.708
3rd gear = 1.333
4th gear = 1.097
5th gear = 0.939
Final drive = 3.40

Lets stick to your 4000 rpm
Eng = 4000 divided by overall reduction 1.4091 = 2838 rpm at the input shaft.
Output = 2838 divided by final drive ratio 2.78 = 1020 rpm at the wheel.

To convert to MPH = engine rpm x raduis divided by final drive ratio x 168

4000 (rpm) x 4.43inches (tyre height) plus 7.5inches (half wheel diam) = 4000 x 11.93     = 47720
1.78 (primary reduction) x 0.825 (secondary) x 0.939 (5th gear) x 2.78 (final drive) = 3.83 x 168 = 643
So  477720 divided by 643 should give you 74mph in 5th gear at 4000 rpm using your current diff/wheel setup.
you done this just for me.Thanks tbone :-*
now what would it be if i had a 3.55 diff and 205 60 15 wheels ::) ::)
only joking thanks again


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: tbone on March 27, 2011, 05:06:41 PM
no problem. You just need to remember the reduction from camshaft to crankshaft  ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: trev on March 27, 2011, 07:34:29 PM
wow my brain has melted. ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on March 27, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
Ok, lets start again.

Goldwing 1000 correct?
has a primary reduction of 1.708
      a secondary reduction of 0.825
giving 1.4091 overall reduction of crank to the input shaft.
1st gear = 2.5
2nd gear = 1.708
3rd gear = 1.333
4th gear = 1.097
5th gear = 0.939
Final drive = 3.40

Lets stick to your 4000 rpm
Eng = 4000 divided by overall reduction 1.4091 = 2838 rpm at the input shaft.
Output = 2838 divided by final drive ratio 2.78 = 1020 rpm at the wheel.

To convert to MPH = engine rpm x raduis divided by final drive ratio x 168

4000 (rpm) x 4.43inches (tyre height) plus 7.5inches (half wheel diam) = 4000 x 11.93     = 47720
1.78 (primary reduction) x 0.825 (secondary) x 0.939 (5th gear) x 2.78 (final drive) = 3.83 x 168 = 643
So  477720 divided by 643 should give you 74mph in 5th gear at 4000 rpm using your current diff/wheel setup.

I`ve got a headache !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? ??? ??? ???
So 74mph in 5 gear @4000rpm i will put that to the test when ive set the carbs up :-*


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 02, 2011, 10:18:39 PM
Update.been riding trike trike around the town.and for a while i have notice that the water in the rad has to be topped up after a long run.so i thought i will check it out.done a cylinder leak test and found that it was pressurizing the rad on cylinders 2/4. so it was heads of to have a look and this is what i found
cylinder 2/4
i was told this had an engine decoke just before i got it and i have not done many miles on it  ???
(http://i56.tinypic.com/34o537l.jpg)    (http://i53.tinypic.com/t8t9xl.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/33pdj51.jpg)   

cylinders 1/3
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2ai1wex.jpg)  (http://i54.tinypic.com/35kk3mv.jpg)   (http://i51.tinypic.com/15xsa9y.jpg)
cleaned it all up and put it back together giving a 30 mile run and seams ok  ;D
i am hoping it will be ok for a run to basingstoke on sunday


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 02, 2011, 10:23:47 PM
Looking forward to seeing you there on it Terry.  ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Cabman77 on May 03, 2011, 09:03:19 AM
if that had beened de coked Terry then I could still have done a better job with my tongue  ;) ;) ;) ;) (why do I say these things?????????????? ;D ;D ;D  ;D)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 03, 2011, 09:26:44 AM
if that had beened de coked Terry then I could still have done a better job with my tongue  ;) ;) ;) ;) (why do I say these things?????????????? ;D ;D ;D  ;D)
say no more what ever turns you on :o are you coming ops. going to basingstoke


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Hagar on May 03, 2011, 04:10:32 PM
I could  have done a better job with my tongue  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Whats your tongue like on rust  ? ......

  ..  Hagar  ..   ;D


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Cabman77 on May 03, 2011, 05:44:54 PM
Why? Why?.............I know I`m doing it but I just keep on typing and my brain overtakes my fingers.........................it`s a sort of tactile diarroah  diarheah diarrhoea runny bum I suppose.............doubt I`ll ever learn.............but if it makes you lot smile then that`s fine by me.............if it doesn`t then B****x to you  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sadly I can`t make Basingstoke now, it sort of crept up on me and I`ve got a lot of organizing to do for The East Anglia D-Day Memorial Ride on the 4th of June. Besides that not feeling too good this week. worked on Cuddles trike all day  Saturday and I`m paying the price now with a very stiff neck and can hardly walk. Hey ho life goes on.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 05, 2011, 09:08:27 PM
went for another run on the trike today. no were in pertickler. just a ride to make sure that every thing was OK after doing the heads.well after a ride around the back roads.and sat/nav getting lost no gps. i ended up at hindhead on the A3. well that's about 30 miles from my place one road with only one round about on it. well  8)  8) 70/75 all the way apart from slowing down at the roundabout till i got home.i am very happy with the way it handles no shakes wobbles at any speed just a very enjoyable ride.did about 52 miles in all.got home let it cool down checked water level Al's fine might go for a cruise tomorrow keep speed down to 50 just to see some of the country side. then basingstoke on sunday


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 05, 2011, 10:17:21 PM
A happy triker then. Lucky git.  :)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 10, 2011, 09:06:09 PM
Trikes sick only running on three cylinders use nearly 8 litres fuel on a 10 mile run. i will get more if i put a V8 in it    no. so cant ride it  
so i will be in the van   with the trike behind me   going to basingstoke

Took the carbs of again (ground hog day) to see whats happening. i pinned it down to the carbs on the near side.drained the fuel out of the bowls.took the bowls of all seamed ok.then when i checked the floats no 4 was stiff so wasn't closing properly.on investigation i found the pin that holds it in place was bent.how it bent i dont know.so to the spares box new pin fitted and checked for level and movement.put all back together.then tested by pumping fuel in to check for leaks and that the valves are closing

(http://i55.tinypic.com/30d9mol.jpg)     (http://i51.tinypic.com/efruag.jpg)

will put them back on trike tomorrow be glad when i have sorted this single carb conversion  ???
better change the oil as well probably a bit thin now


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: Manky Monkey on May 10, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
Well spotted Tel.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 30, 2011, 12:12:39 PM
My Baby's.broke again  :'(.
went for a run after giving it a service.ran fine up to speed no problems.then lost drive  >:( prop spins but wheels don't turn.lucky i was only 50yards from home.still f---- from pushing it back.
i just want to ride it not keep repairing it.
in garage now taken back axle of to see whats wrong


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on May 30, 2011, 12:32:08 PM
sorry to hear that terry, is your axle shortned ,the shafts not broke at the joint as it


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 30, 2011, 03:33:24 PM
Hi Zac. Yes it has had the axle shortend.and its weakest point will be the halfshaft


(http://i53.tinypic.com/nn8j6d.jpg)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: zakboy on May 30, 2011, 03:55:10 PM
well i hope you can get it sorted soon mate. zak


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 31, 2011, 07:58:24 AM
Well after stripping it down only to find. the halfshaft welded join did fail.

(http://i54.tinypic.com/zsvfa.jpg)

(http://i55.tinypic.com/250i0wn.jpg)

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2m3kye0.jpg)

lucky for me it was pinned or it could have bean worst.axle shaft and diff could have bean buggered up


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on May 31, 2011, 04:10:39 PM
All fixed now  ;)


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: klogan45 on May 31, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
Show me, show me, show me!!!

How did you fix that? You must be bloody good.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: morrag on May 31, 2011, 10:39:45 PM
The pic. would suggest little or no weld penetration on that half shaft, so with a proper weld prep. and a welder who knows his biz. the repair will be fine, and would the orig.  have been had that been prepared and executed correctly. I have shortened a number of half shafts in a similar manner,i.e. by machining to to press fit and welding, with no probs. to date, Morrag.


Title: Re: trike build
Post by: terry t on June 01, 2011, 08:02:59 AM
I dont know i took it to a machine shop the have it shortend and welded.i said about sleeving it and they said it will be ok.
IT PROBERLY BROKE BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN GIVING IT SOME STICK 0 TO 60 IN 6 SEC  ;D
AND USING THE GEAR BOX TO SLOW DOWN MAINLY TO TEST THE STEERING AND HANDLING IT DO SHIFT  :o
Any way thats history now. i cleaned it up and wound the MiG up and re welded it around the shaft. then i put a sleeve with a cut line through it over the shaft. cramped it in the vice then welded down the sleeve and around the ends.then drilled 6 holes three in each half about 10mm deep then filled them with welds.cleaned up and this is it

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2vjdj5u.jpg)

(http://i52.tinypic.com/dokoqh.jpg)

all back together again